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message 1: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
I love the recent developments and how Rich is shaking things up so much while still having everything make sense and fit perfectly into the ongoing narrative. From Durkon's new status quo to the unexpected recent deaths there's going to be a lot of fallout to deal with when things settle down.

The current fight with Tarquin over refusing to let Elan take a backseat to Roy is fantastic. The Order is really performing like a team. Rich gives the perfect small touches of comedy too, like in the most recent strip (#927) where Elan shows a moment of leadership, comes up with the key that saves Roy from Tarquin, and immediately says "What now Roy?", furthering Tarquin's fury at his son's willingness to be a follower. Or the great "You named the dinosaur -- ?" exchange from #926.


message 2: by Mike (last edited Nov 10, 2013 02:34PM) (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

uhm, did Rich really just kill Roy AGAIN?! I really didn't expect Tarquin to succeed in this fight. Guess we'll see...

And man, Tarquin just keeps getting more evil and remorseless even when it doesn't seem possible anymore. Poor Elan. :(


message 3: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Guess not. Yay!

"Don't look at me like that, there were a like a ton of hints on this one."

Hilarious trademark Rich messing with the fourth wall, and preemptively addressing fan "complaints" about the twist. I'll have to go back and look for the hints though, as this took me completely by surprise.


message 4: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments There are points where I wonder how this fight will read in the book. Yes, shifting success and failure is the way to keep us on our toes, but we can't stay on a high pitch forever.


message 5: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Me too. This portion has been really good but has been going on for much longer than I would've guessed. There've been at least three points when I thought things were wrapping up. I feel like Tarquin almost has to cause a casualty of some sort at this point to retain an appropriate level of menace, but Rich has turned my expectations on me before without cause for complaint, so we'll see. You're 100% right that the tension does need to step down pretty soon.

Earlier on I was thinking Laurin was going to call in the granted favor and end up at cross purposes with Tarquin at some point, but now I thinking that will come after the battle.


message 6: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments I think Tarquin needs to die.

He won't stop for anything less, they have nothing equally incapacitating, and a real death is necessary to keep things going.

Laurin can always tell another team member what she was going to ask.


message 7: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Interesting. You may be right - he seems too determined at this point to be sidetracked by anything. I was thinking he'd become so integral and finally shown himself as such a threat that he'd be around for a while, but I thought the same thing about Nale after he killed Negral ...


message 8: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

"I assure you my companion's decisions are reflective of nothing - least of all, rational planning."

I like this strip a lot. A decent fight, some amusing banter, and another of Tarquin's allies vanquished means we should be heading towards end of this battle. And the "enemy of my enemy" thing going on with Sabine and V is great.


message 9: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments I liked the bit at the end. The careful use of exact words to be honest and deceiving at once. (One does not want to betray one's source of information.)


message 10: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Me too. Rich is great at that type of wordplay, and it suits V's character perfectly.

New strip: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Not at all what I expected, but I like. It closes things well enough for now and sets up Tarquin's eventual return down the line. Elan's double burn of "I'm not a twin anymore" and "you're not the REAL villain" was great.

I also loved seeing Haley outmaneuvering Tarquin. There's nothing I enjoy more than smart characters and battles that swing back and forth without one side acting stupid.


message 11: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Yes. That is wonderful. Tarquin got what was coming to him.


message 12: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Now, perhaps, the fifty-buck question is -- how is Tarquin going to die? Leaving him hanging about is not conducive to Elan's happy ending.

I suspect that he's going to fall prey to the calling-Xykon-Zykon-in-his-presence peril. or something else suitably anti-climatic.


message 13: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Good question. I feel like Sabine should get to kill him, but that would be very dramatic and somewhat satisfying to Tarquin's sensibilities. Maybe if it happens off-panel...


message 14: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments oooooo -- he's not dead yet!

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

And it looks like he might STAY there.

Especially since the next page is a quiet moment after all that action:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...


message 15: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Wheee! They just keep coming!


http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Wow. Even after the last scene with Tarquin, I wasn't expecting MORE character development from Elan.


message 16: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Mary wrote: "oooooo -- he's not dead yet!

And it looks like he might STAY there."


Yeah, while I do think we'll see him again in the course of the main narrative he seems out of Elan's hair for a while.

I love the most recent strip. As you said even more character development for Elan, Roy continues to see him more and more as a friend, and a great end panel to show he's still himself at his core.

Rich using the title of the strip to try to head off speculation about Elan's punchline is a nice touch.


message 17: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments It's impossible to head off fannish speculation. . .


message 18: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Very true. Nice attempt though.

New strip: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Maintaining Durkon though a "blood drive" is hilariously awesome.


message 19: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Good thing he didn't observe "before it was cool." Someone would have upstaged him by observing that blood is hot.

Q: Why did the hipster burn his mouth?
A: He drank his coffee before it was cool.


message 20: by Mary (last edited Jan 22, 2014 08:53PM) (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Man, that ties up a lot of threads. Improbably neatly, though not perhaps TOO neatly.


message 22: by Mike (last edited Jan 26, 2014 04:15PM) (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Mary wrote: "Man, that ties up a lot of threads. Improbably neatly, though not perhaps TOO neatly."

Yeah, it's an interesting and logical development but I feel like I should be placing bets on which part of that alliance betrays the others first.

The stuff with Haley and her dad is very touching, which is a nice accomplishment by Rich since I don't actually like her father much. Elan's method to both help against his father and gain ground in trying to get Haley's father to come around was inspired.

I definitely feel the end of a volume coming. Things are being closed out / reset for the next big plotlines.


message 23: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

And more rapid-fire exposition and closing of plot threads. All fits pretty well though, and reestablishes Bozzok as a looming threat. Nice tie in at the end with a throw-away character everyone's sure to remember.


message 24: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

heh. Gotta love Elan's devotion to proper dramatic form (at least in times of low danger).

Rich really is a master at playing with conventions and the forth wall.


message 25: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Belkar's unreasonable: Blackwing saved his lizard


message 26: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Mary wrote: "Belkar's unreasonable"

And this is a surprise? ;)


message 27: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Well, actually, yes, because Belkar's being unreasonable when there's nothing in it for him and it's not particularly funny.

Perfectly coherent if you think he's overwhelmed by sentiment and feels guilty that he had left Bloodfeast behind, to be sure.


message 28: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Good point. Belkar has pretty specific motivator's for being difficult to the rest of them.


message 29: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

Wow. So much to love about this strip. All exposition, but important stuff and well done. Both the fact that V's looking to Roy for guidance and Roy's reaction of "this is too big to wrap my head around" are great. The resulting discussion is pitch perfect and the callback to what happened to Roy's little brother is a nice surprise. The last panel lightens things up just enough and the punchline is classic OotS.


message 30: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Yeah. That is a dramatic strip.


message 31: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

"The truth is, we don't know what is really going on anymore." Me neither Roy, but I'm certainly interested in finding out...


message 32: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Whoops!

I wonder how fatal this is going to be for Laurin & Co.


message 33: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Just when you thought everything was going so well. . . .

Oooph. What a cliffhanger.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...


message 34: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Having had time to philosophically ponder it after just reacting. . . I think there were so few clues of this so that we would feel as betrayed as the Order will no doubt feel once they learn the truth.


message 35: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
?! Wow! Going to be a long wait until the end of March.

Good observation. I certainly had no inkling of this twist. I want to go back at some point to see where he dropped the accent...

It does nicely point towards another prophecy being fulfilled of "Durkon's" return to the dwarven lands bringing doom.


message 36: by Mary (last edited Mar 31, 2014 08:59AM) (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Today's the day!

We hope. Barring trouble or disaster.

bounces about with excitement


message 37: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Ah. . . .

You have to get to the end of the new comic to get the import.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...


message 38: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
YAY! This hiatus actually kind of flew by for me.

Heh. Very well structured. I expected a very different punchline when the strip started.


message 39: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments I'm not sure what I expected before I reached the end.


message 40: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
I assumed we were in "present day" and either the Order was about to arrive in dwarven lands or someone was about to attack them.


message 41: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Yes, present day was what first occurred to me, but not much more than that. It could, after all, also have been, oh, the set up for Team Evil's arrival, to humanize (dwarfenize?) the victims before the attack.

Order's arrival was another possibility.


message 42: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments I know what Durkon's trying to do
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

He's trying to corrupt the evil energy spirit to the side of good by surrounding him with Good Memories.


message 43: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Very likely. He could also be trying to overwhelm the spirit with too much information to get the right answer. Those really don't seem like the right words to me...


message 44: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Or, of course, both. In his situation, I would try to have as many irons in the fire as I could, because one of them might work.


message 45: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Haley shows a wonderful aptitude for looking on the bright side.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...


message 46: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Let's not sully our relationship with cheap lies.

snort

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...


message 47: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
Love that line too, and the V-Blackwing relationship in general. This whole strip is awesome, including Elan's "context" and V's nonchalant fixing of the problem at hand.


message 48: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments I think the beat panel is V's careful inspection to be sure that the problem was fixed.


message 49: by Mike (new)

Mike | 1505 comments Mod
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots09...

The subtle character touches are just perfect, from V considering for a second before just going with "No" as a correction to Roy not really showing anger at Belkar at the end, just matter of factly talking about dancing on his grave.

Why aren't they trying to put Belkar to work too though?


message 50: by Mary (new)

Mary Catelli | 986 comments Roy is strong. That's something.

But what would you do with Belkar?


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