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Oh not author trade again.Let's not try to replicate something that's already been shot down on KUF for being massively unethical. (http://www.kuforum.co.uk/kindleusersf...)
Only this morning I was attacked for being indie. Many people have already told you that the indie community doesn't want to be associated with the sort of system-manipulation. So please stop promoting it.
I got a bad feeling when the website used the phrase "AuthorTrade.com's involvement is completely unknown to the public. Only you, your publisher (if you have one), and the author you're trading with will know the secret to your marketing genius."For me the marketing genius comes in the fact that they are not only a part of Amazons affiliate advertising program but I'd guess that when you 'swap' books you're they get a cut of the price through the affiliate scheme. The author spends money on other peoples books, OK they may have the books but they've still spent the money.
Ignoring the dubious system-manipulation side of it, I wouldn't get involved because of the cost!
David, if you're struggling to get noticed here's an alternative to Author Trade.Make positive contributions to the publishing world. Say witty encouraging things in forums. Write blog posts focussing on ethical ways to promote books. If you adopt the right attitude, readers might give your books a try and hey presto - reviews.
Repeatedly posting about schemes that send the majority of authors running for the hills, is only harming your reputation.
Hear, hear Rosen!As a reader who loves a great many indie books, I'd not ever recommend an author who I suspected of using unethical tactics to inflate their success.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "As a reader who loves a great many indie books, I'd not ever recommend an author who I suspected of using unethical tactics to inflate their success."I'm willing to offer bacon.
Oh, the bacon gambit might work.
Pity mine are ebooks.If they were physical books I could offer a FREE rasher of bacon bookmark with each copy.
David wrote: "Pity mine are ebooks.If they were physical books I could offer a FREE rasher of bacon bookmark with each copy."
Perhaps you could introduce sound effects so that opening the ebook is accompanied by a tempting sizzle.
With the development of faster broadband, WiFi and 3d printing, I'm sure that the day of downloadable ebacon is drawing closer.
David wrote: "With the development of faster broadband, WiFi and 3d printing, I'm sure that the day of downloadable ebacon is drawing closer."Pigs will fly (through the ether)
Yes, but the bacon print cartridges will cost a fortune...
Explanation as to why the bacon references are considered so rib-tickingly hilarious?
Alan wrote: "Explanation as to why the bacon references are considered so rib-tickingly hilarious?"Ah, but the first rule of the Bacon References Club is....
I think this is a record time for going off topic in a thread.
Back in the old pre-web internet days of newsgroups, I used to be part of a group that made it a point of honour to go off-topic as soon after a thread's first post as possible.I like to think I keep the old traditions alive.
I think it's a great tradition.But I would say that, wouldn't i?
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Hear, hear Rosen!As a reader who loves a great many indie books, I'd not ever recommend an author who I suspected of using unethical tactics to inflate their success."
you'd love me then. I'm not using anything at all to not-inflate non-existent success
Patti (baconater) wrote: "I think it's a great tradition.But I would say that, wouldn't i?"
Just like all roads lead to Rome, all forum threads should - sooner, rather than later - end up talking about bacon.
Marc wrote: "Patti (baconater) wrote: "Hear, hear Rosen!As a reader who loves a great many indie books, I'd not ever recommend an author who I suspected of using unethical tactics to inflate their success."
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I've greatly enjoyed the stuff of yours I've read Marc.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Marc wrote: "Patti (baconater) wrote: "Hear, hear Rosen!As a reader who loves a great many indie books, I'd not ever recommend an author who I suspected of using unethical tactics to inflate thei..."
aw thanks Hon, I wasn't fishing for compliments
Lol!Yep, you need to work on your self promo skills, Marc
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Lol!Yep, you need to work on your self promo skills, Marc"
Oh I've given up. Destined to remain forever niche
I keep intending on employing a proper marketing offensive, but instead end up prattling on about old sitcoms and thinking about bacon. Plus my new laptop has a touchscreen so have been spending an inordinate amount of time poking at fifteen year old video games to see if anything happens.
I heard on the radio this morning that bacon is the best thing to add to anything to make it more tasty(but the chap on the radio was doubtful about it being good mixed with apple crumble)
Apple and bacon is delicious!
Alan wrote: "Explanation as to why the bacon references are considered so rib-tickingly hilarious?"Alan, if you go to the facility that enables the searching of this group's discussion posts and type in 'bacon' you'll find that few threads reach their end without this splendid comestible putting in an appearance.
It's a bit of a swine really.
Oooooo.'Squid' and 'custard' would be good search terms as well.
And 'poop'. Poor David is never gonna live that one down.
Patti! You said the C word!!
Is it true that the dessert at the January meet will be custard with toblerone islands floating upon its yellowy goodness?
Andy wrote: "Is it true that the dessert at the January meet will be custard with toblerone islands floating upon its yellowy goodness?"*goes off into a daydream, drooling madly*
B J wrote: "Alan wrote: "Explanation as to why the bacon references are considered so rib-tickingly hilarious?"Alan, if you go to the facility that enables the searching of this group's discussion posts and ..."
I'm not sure in what tone of voice I should be reading Patti's 'Oooooo', but at the risk of appearing even more foolish than I usually do, I'll explain that my comment about bacon being a bit of a swine was a joke.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "I think this is a record time for going off topic in a thread."Well, while we're on it, we may as well Godwin this thread by saying that Hitler didn't eat bacon!
Off-topic and Godwinned in record time :)
I should google Godwinning but I'm too lazy.Explain please.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "I should google Godwinning but I'm too lazy.Explain please."
the only worthwhile bit of modern philosophy. Godwin said that wherever an argument is taking place, a comparison or contrast to the Nazis will always eventually turn up as one of the points in that argument
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Apple and bacon is delicious!"Hey, we had a bacon and roasted apple pizza last night. It was awesome!
Oh now you mention it, I think I had heard that theory before.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Oh now you mention it, I think I had heard that theory before."Yeah, it's called Godwin! :)
Marc wrote: "Patti (baconater) wrote: "I should google Godwinning but I'm too lazy.Explain please."
the only worthwhile bit of modern philosophy. Godwin said that wherever an argument is taking place, a comp..."
Thank you. You saved me five minutes of typing an explanation.
Well I didn't think that logo looked anything like a swastika.
David wrote: "Pity mine are ebooks.If they were physical books I could offer a FREE rasher of bacon bookmark with each copy."
Sigh, but I'm vegetarian. You would be missing out on a whole section of society.
Grace wrote: "David wrote: "Pity mine are ebooks.If they were physical books I could offer a FREE rasher of bacon bookmark with each copy."
Sigh, but I'm vegetarian. You would be missing out on a whole section of society."
But, I'm a vegetarian too, I just sub-contract out some of the more tedious grazing.
David wrote: "Grace wrote: "David wrote: "Pity mine are ebooks.If they were physical books I could offer a FREE rasher of bacon bookmark with each copy."
Sigh, but I'm vegetarian. You would be missing out on ..."
Now CHOCOLATE bookmarks - there's a genius idea. Just think, you'd need to eat the bookmark in order to save damaging the book. I could be selfless and manage that.
Please take a look at this site www.AuthorTrade.com.
If you think it's a good idea and you use Amazon.co.uk then you are missing out because they restrict applications to people with Amazon.com accounts.
Without breaking any laws by completely duplicating their idea, are there any clever people based in the UK prepared to create/offer something similar to this idea? Alternatively, does something similar already exist for new UK authors?
AuthorTrade.com does encourage people to switch accounts to Amazon.com but this is not really a satisfactory way forward. They also say they will open things to other extensions when demand dictates.
On the other hand, perhaps you don’t think it’s a good idea. Either way I am interested in your comments/views.