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Welcome! We would love to have you catch up with the Iliad, but it may be a challenge since we're in the next to last week.
But you're in plenty of time to join us for the Odyssey, since the discussion for that doesn't start until April 18. And in the interim, we're reading Euripides's Trojan Woman as a palate cleanser, which we will start discussing on the 28th of this month. Doesn't matter if you don't have a copy; it's available on line (as all our Interim reads are). Sometimes modern translations are better (usually only the older translations, which are out of copyright, are available for free on the Internet), but they are still fine as a basis for reading and discussing the plays. Or most libraries probably have a copy.
There's a copy of Trojan Women here:
http://classics.mit.edu/Euripides/tro...
and it's also downloadable in various formats from Gutenberg here:
http://gutenberg.org/ebooks/10096
and there may be other copies out there, too.



Welcome! How lucky you are to be just starting a lifetime of enjoyment of the classics. We're pleased to have you with us, and look forward to your contributions.


Welcome! The Odyssey is our next book, so you're welcome to join in, either based on your recollections of the book or on re-reading (which many of us do frequently!)
We read the first book of Proust last year, but decided not to go with the rest of In Search. But I think another group took it on, and they may still be at it.
Hi. I've always enjoyed the classics and especially classical history, although I don't have much time for it anymore (hoping to change that). I look forward to following the discussions and making the occasional pedestrian comment.

Delighted to have you with us. And I'm sure we will see beyond your assertion of pedestrianism soon enough!
Thanks for the welcome. Now I feel challenged to prove my claim. So much dullness to share, so little time!

I'm always on the look-out for secondary literature about classics, since reading the context of a classic can greatly expand my understanding of the book. This group seemed like a good place to find extra information about classics and to meet like-minded people. As mentioned before in this thread: most people I know only read thrillers or chick lit.

Welcome, Judith. Glad to have you with us.

I always have a big stack of (non-classic) ARCs to read and review, but I would love to join y'all in a group read. I'm drawn to the classics and look forward to reading some of them in the original. Have y'all done a read of the Hebrew bible yet?
ps. To the Johnnies in the group - I'm curious if any of you were at Annapolis when Leo Strauss briefly lectured there. I've heard bits of the lectures on Thucydides he delivered at St. John's, and it's fascinating material.

The main place where Greek and Hebrew scholars collide is biblical scholarship, though I am not very interested in the Greek bible or Christianity. I want to learn Greek to read Plato.

I always have a big stack of (non-classic) ARCs to read ..."
Glad to have you join us. So far we haven't done any reading of the Bible, and I'm not sure how we would approach it, other than reading Job as a separate entity, since not that much of it stands on its own as separate discussable text.

This is the sort of thing I hope to be researching over the next few years.
761> Well, there are others: Genesis, Psalms, Esther, and the Ketuvim generally. Individual stories as well, such as the revolt of Korach in the book of Numbers. Lots of good stuff to talk about there.
Might also be interesting to read Lattimore's translation of the Greek bible. I'm curious to see what it's like.


Welcome! Yes, I think you'll find the discussion here refreshingly adult after spending a day with 9th graders! (I used to teach HS English myself, many years ago.)

In a perfect world, I would have a PhD in literature and/or linguistics by now, but sadly, due to illness I've never been able to go to university. That hasn't stopped me from getting an education, though - I've always read pretty much anything and everything I could get my hands on, from Dickens and Tolstoy to Shakespeare and Homer, and right now I'm teaching myself languages so that one day I can read all of the greatest literary masterpieces the way they were originally written.
I know so few people who are as hooked on literature as I am, so I'm looking forward to joining in on discussions with like-minded folk! Thanks for pointing me here, Everyman. :)

In a perfect world, I would have a PhD in literature and/or linguistics by now, but sadly, ..."
Welcome! Glad to have you with us.
I was a member of the group when we read the Oresteia and Huck Finn, but dropped out shortly afterwards. I'm back because the Oresteia has come to haunt me. In my dotage I'm studying with the Open University and have been doing an Arts Foundation course and a couple of shorter coureses, Inteoduction to Creartive Writing and Introduction to Shakespeare and so on. Over the last year or so I have been trying to decide what to do next. I think in the USA you refer to the idea of having to decide what to 'major in'. I have flip-flopped from English Literature through philosophy, history and have finally alighted on the Classics. The reading of the Oresteia was very influential in my decision, together with having read The Anger of Achilles, Robert Graves' prose version of the Iliad. Delighted to see that the group is reading the Fagels' Odyssey which I'm told is excellent. In September I will be reading the older, Lattimore version which is one of my set books.

Glad to have you back. And to see that Lattimore is still respected in Classics circles!


Glad to have you with us for our journey up the mountain.


I suspect that a good many of us here think that librarian, or bookseller, are the two ideal jobs in the world. To spend one's life surrounded by books. But maybe after awhile you get like the Cadbury workers who are allowed to eat all the chocolate they want to, but quite quickly get surfeited and become abstemious in their nibbling.

I am very happy to have found this group, although it seems a lot of my favorites have already been on the menu ;-)

Glad to have you! Yes, we've read some of the major Greek classics, but there are still plenty more to go.

As for The Magic Mountain, I first read it in 1982 when I was 23, and found it mesmerizing. I read it again about 2 years ago and enjoyed it even more. I won't be reading along with you, but I will be "auditing" the discussion and may join in.
I'm delighted to find a group devoted to reading great works carefully and deeply.

Glad to have you with us! And if your recollection of The Magic Mountain is still intact, feel free to join in the discussion (you might want to briefly skim the book to make sure you're not inadvertently slipping a spoiler).
If you can read the complete GBOTWW, more power to you! I have read probably 2/3 of my set, but there are some volumes I have no intention of tackling -- mostly the science volumes, such as Kepler, Huygens, Faraday, et. al., and I seriously doubt that I will go beyond re-reading those parts of Aquinas that we read in college -- I do enjoy his logic chopping, but find that a little bit of him goes a L-O-N-G way. [g]
Delighted that you found us, and if you have like minded friends on Goodreads do suggest that they give us a look.

While I've been a reader since I was a child, it was only during my freshman year ..."
Great to have you with us. I'm glad you mentioned Bloom's book: it's a powerful state of support for the concept of this group, reading the books that have mattered over the centuries.


Good to have you with us. Will you be reading The Magic Mountain?

I've loved reading as long as I can remember. In the good old days when the library records were on paper, my folder in the school library was so thick that it stood out amoung the rest of them. However, rebellious as I was, I never got around to reading the compulsory list (read: "classics") in literature class.
I absolutely love Jane Austen. Every once in a while I do a "Pride and Prejudice" marathon - read the book in English, then in Estonian and top it off with the latest movie version :) Also enjoy Brontë sisters, Charles Bukowski and Ernst Hemingway.
I'm looking forward to catching up on the books you've already read and discussed, and joining in with the upcoming books.

I've loved reading as long as I can remember. In the good old days..."
Welcome! I'm always impressed by those who are as fluent in English as a second language as you are. Your English is superb!
Please do come join the discussion.


Welcome! How wonderful to start this journey that can belong to a lifetime in your teens. Enjoy it, Laura. (You'll probably swear at it once in awhile, too, but I am quite sure you will find it worthy of your sweat and tears and laughter.)

Welcome! You're welcome to catch up with The Magic Mountain discussion if you have time to (and can find a copy of the book quickly -- it's not on line), but if not, we'll look forward to hearing your thoughts on our next book. You can check out the available choices in our Poll section.


Egad. Feminist cyberpunk meets Thomas Mann. The mind reels!
But we're delighted to have you join us. And I'm willing to wager that you'll be capable of relating our classic books to ideas that I, at least, not even being able to define feminist cyberpunk, let alone identify it if I ever see it, never realize existed!

I would like to share some Borges, you should consider his works in a future poll:
To be immortal is commonplace; except for man, all creatures are immortal, for they are ignorant of death; what is divine, terrible, incomprehensible, is to know that one is immortal. I have noted that, in spite of religions, this conviction is very rare. Israelites, Christians, and Moslems profess immortality, but the veneration they render this world proves they believe only in it, since they destine all other worlds, in infinite number, to be its reward or punishment. The wheel of certain Hindustani religions seems more reasonable to me; on this wheel, which has neither beginning nor end, each life is the effect of the preceding and engenders the following, but none determines the totality. . . Indoctrinated by a practice of centuries, the republic of immortal men had attained the perfection of tolerance and almost that of indifference. They knew that in an infinite period of time, all things happen to all men. Because of his past or future virtues, every man is worthy of all goodness, but also of all perversity, because of his infamy in the past or future. Thus, just as in games of chance the odd and even numbers tend toward equilibrium, so also wit and stolidity cancel out and correct each other and perhaps the rustic Poem of the Cid is the counterbalance demanded by one single epithet from the Eclogues or by an epigram of Heraclitus. The most fleeting thought obeys an invisible design and can crown, or inaugurate, a secret form. I know of those who have done evil so that in future centuries good would result, or would have resulted in those already past. . . Seen in this manner, all our acts are just, but they are also indifferent. There are no moral or intellectual merits. Homer composed the Odyssey; if we postulate an infinite period of time, with infinite circumstances and changes, the impossible thing is not to compose the Odyssey, at least once. No one is anyone, one single immortal man is all men. Like Cornelius Agrippa, I am god, I am hero, I am philosopher, I am demon and I am world, which is a tedius way of saying that I do not exist.

Welcome! Delighted to have you with us. With your reading experience, I'm sure you'll have a wealth of insights to share with us.
That's a nice quote from Borges. I admit to not having read any of him -- he's a bit after the time period I tend to spend most of my time with -- but I should remedy that oversight. Which of his works do you (or anybody else who knows his work) recommend as a good introduction to his thinking?


My name is Sarah and I recently located from Chicago to the Bavarian countryside south of Munich with my (German) husband and two big dogs. I guess you could say I am/was (er, trying not to be) one of those stressed out, "corporate types" with one of those jobs that kept me on an airplane away from home most of the time. Well, with our move I am taking a break, settling into our house, and trying to improve my German at the age of 40. Oh, and I'm also indulging in my love of reading and taking the time to *finally* knock off some classics that somehow I missed over the years (smile).
I am new to Goodreads as of last week and am a newbie to book clubs in general (in person or virtual). I'm figuring out how it works as I go. I am finding that I enjoy reading with others and hearing all the points of view. When I've read previously, I would read voraciously (probably like all of you) but go from one book to the next without every really stopping to think and digest the ideas. I've found that sharing the book is much more fun and I look forward to being a part of your group.


My name is Sarah and I recently located from Chicago to the Bavarian countryside south of Munich with my (German) husband and two big dogs. I guess you could say I am/was (er, trying..."
Delighted to have you join us! If you have any questions about how it all works, please just ask. There are lots of people here who would be delighted to help you.

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