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Who else is boycotting this movie?
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Nov 15, 2013 12:10PM
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@Lauren180. I'm loving all of your posts! You are so right about dropping the experiment/Bureau nonsense and changing the whole focus of the movies. In Andi's brilliant and hilariously funny review of Allegiant, she highlights the myriad plot holes and 'silly science' that are the real reason the book just does not work. This could all be fixed in a movie version.I think that lovers of Divergent should focus their energy not on a boycott of the movie, but on a constructive letter-writing and petition campaign to get Lionsgate to do a complete re-write for the second and/or third movies.
You might be interested in my post on Hogwarts Professor where I outline a scientifically believable explanation for the Divergent factions that would also lead to a much more satisfying story. http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/alle...
No, the reason people are so upset is because of a fictional story. And not even because of a bad message in the book, just cuz they didn't like how it turned out.
On the one hand, Kristen, it is kind of silly to go on a crusade "just because" one doesn't like the ending. But on the other hand, I've always believed that a story is only as good as its ending. So if people feel like the ending ruined the whole book for them, then I think that's a fair opinion. Because a bad ending (and many people do just feel like it was a bad one) can ruin a book.
*Rolls eyes at question*It was still a great series. I don't see why you'd have to not watch all the movies just because of a five minute scene.
☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾ wrote: "*Rolls eyes at question*It was still a great series. I don't see why you'd have to not watch all the movies just because of a five minute scene."
Because it wasn't just "a five minute scene." The fact of what happened tainted the enjoyment of the series to a lot of people. A lot of comments I've seen here and on other sites say that they don't want to see the movie not out of some sense of spite or to boycott Veronica Roth or something, but because they can't look at it without thinking about the devastating way the story ultimately ends, and how devastated it made them. The whole series is now tainted in grief for them.
Lauren wrote: "☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾ wrote: "*Rolls eyes at question*It was still a great series. I don't see why you'd have to not watch all the movies just because of a five minute scene."
Because it wasn't just "a five mi..."
I didn't like the ending, either. I'm just not going to denounce my favourite series just because of one thing that happened in the book. It didn't change how I liked the series; it just changed how I liked Allegiant. And since I can't go to the other two movies and not see Allegiant, I guess I kind of have to.
And that's your perspective. A lot of people are disturbed by it to the point that they can't look at the other books the same way anymore. Everyone has their reactions.I don't see why you couldn't see the first two movies and skip Allegiant. I mean, if you want to watch it then watch it, but there's no reason you *have* to.
Lauren wrote: "And that's your perspective. A lot of people are disturbed by it to the point that they can't look at the other books the same way anymore. Everyone has their reactions.I don't see why you coul..."
No, I'd feel like I'd have this major obligation.
"No, I'd feel like I'd have this major obligation."That's odd.
"She was paid a little over 400 million for the rights to her series. So, yes, it was millions. "That can't be correct.
Lauren wrote: ""No, I'd feel like I'd have this major obligation."That's odd."
I always feel that way about series. The only series I didn't finish was House of Night...it was just too painful to continue.
A plot twist Veronica is Tris's parents not really being dead. A plot twist Veronica is something with the government. A plot twist is Evelyn and her evil army of factionless coming in and taking over a plot twist is everyone dying the world burning to ashes and Tris Tobais Christina and the main main main others make it to find out what happened to the United States a plot twist Veronica is the U.S coming in and taking over Chicago see what i'm getting at Veronica? A plot twist is not literally KILLING OFF YOUR MAIN CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S LIKE SUZANNE KILLING KATNISS OF STEPAHNIE KILLING BELLA! WTH WERE YOU THINKING?! IT DID NOT DO TRIS JUSTICE AT ALLL!!!!!!!!! I'M BOYCOTTING THE DAM FILMS DAM IT!SO HELP ME GOD IF HOLLYWOOD DOESN'T CHANGE ALLEGIANT AND GIVE US THE ENDING WE WANTED TRIS AND FOUR FIND PEACE AFTER CHAOS GET HITCHED AND POP OUT A FEW KIDS AT THE ENDING SOME ONE (PULLS GUN TRIGGER) IS GONNA DIE (TAKES OUT KNIVES) AND I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS (EVIL CRAZY MAD PYSCHOPATH FACE) IT WILL GO DOWN CUZ WITH THIS MOVIE ONE CHOICE WILL CHANGE YOU ONE CHOICE WILL DEFINE YOU AND ONE CHOICE CAN DESTROY YOU BECAUSE I WILL KILL YOU just to give you all a heads up in the movie making industry and Veronica (glares and pulls gun trigger again) im still coming for you
Pms Mrsmoose wrote: "I don't understand why everyone is complaining about Veronica Roth. She finished her story how she wanted to...it is hers to do with as she pleases. Yes, the fans can be upset...but isn't that a si..."I agree with you when you say that she finished her story the way she wanted to. SHE thought of the story and the characters, and if the only ending that she imagined for the trilogy was to have the main character die, then so be it. Obviously not everyone sees characters and stories the same way, so some people may say that Tris's death was unnecessary, or maybe the way she died was stupid, or whatever. I personally wouldn't have had Tris die, just faint or something to make it seem like she had died to get a reaction from the reader, but again, that's just me and my view. I fully respect Veronica for her decisions. And I'm glad that she wrote it the way SHE wanted to, and not the way her fans would have wanted it, because it really bugs me when an author does that. To me, it makes it seem that the author is just trying to appease their fans, so that they won't get criticized or something. And what you said about good authors causing feelings in people. I completely agree. If a book makes the reader sing with joy and jump up and down in happiness, or bawl their eyes out and want to throw the book across the room while screaming and cursing, then to me, that author has succeeded. I would think that that usually means that the reader has such a deep connection with the characters, that when something good or bad happens, it really affects the reader on an emotional level.
While movies certainly change things, I don't think they would go so far as to save a major character when that character died in the book. If they do that, there will always be detractors who point out that they did it for commercial reasons (which would undoubtedly be true) and the fans of the books might still not respond, especially since they know that's not what really happened.I've written a fanfiction version of chapter fifty, if anyone's interested in reading it.
I hated Allegiant not just because of the death but the writting and messy plots but no i wont be boycotting the movie. Divergent was my fav book in the series and i still love it so ill be seeing the movie cause i am looking forward to that. Divergent wasnt the problem, Allegiant was! If Hollywood gets the green like to go to movie 2 & 3 then that's where i when I'll wait for it on dvd i wont be going to the movies for those ones.
Lynne wrote: "While movies certainly change things, I don't think they would go so far as to save a major character when that character died in the book. If they do that, there will always be detractors who poin..."A film adaptation can change the entire plot of the whole book. And yes, movies can and do change major moments such as making a character live when they actually died in the book. Happens all the time.
Victoria wrote: "Liann. I can feel your rage. You must've just finished it. My condolences to the death of your hopes and dreams. But no -seriously. I can tell you're upset. Me too. I really hope they change the end."(puts hand to heart and nods) Thank you I read it the day of the release. it's still hard but I'm just living day by day now (single tear) We must be strong for Four.
Victoria wrote: "The Fifth Wave is a good hangover book. But if it's too soon I understand."(Takes deep breath) Four wouldn't want this for me. He would want me to move on after her death and be strong. (nods) Alright I'll do it for Four. FOR FOUR!
Can you give me some examples, Lauren? I can't think of any myself, but I know I haven't seen every book to screen adaptation there is.
it's just a movie,i will watch it.
Arjumand wrote: "I most certainly will not be watching the movie. I watched the trailer while reading "Divergent" and I almost died of disappointment. They have all the character looks wrong. Tris has blonde hair, ..."There are plenty of reasons to not want to watch the movie. The fact that the actors' hair colors don't match what it says in the book is somewhere in the top five of the most ridiculous reasons.
Like some have said Veronica was being true to herself and Tris character. Well that being said I have to true to myself and my principles an d boycott the movie because I feel like VR really did understand her fan base and totally let us down. Not just with Tris's unnecessary death but to have the nerve to have us waiting as long as she did for the book to come out only for it to be crap. So again I will stay true to myself and boycott on a matter of principle no matter how good Theo James looks with out his shirt ;)
I LOVED the book and I think as a adult the subject of death is very meaningful. Not sure why no one else seems to see that. When u love someone u put them before urself as she did. I was sad when she died and It was not the happy ending i was hoping for but life not a happy ending 100% of the time also. I will see the movie and even buy it too . I cant seem to find another book i like soo much and i have started 5 books half way after VR books. I hope she writes another book and hope for a happy ending next time
Lauren wrote: "Arjumand wrote: "I most certainly will not be watching the movie. I watched the trailer while reading "Divergent" and I almost died of disappointment. They have all the character looks wrong. Tris ..."There are tons of other reasons why I won't be watching the movie...not just because they got the hair wrong (I agree that is pretty ridiculous). But when you come to love certain characters and you see them in the movie look completely different, like the director didnt even try to find someone to resemble it kind of sucks. Not kind of, it does! Watching the movie just might ruin the entire trilogy for me and that's something I'm not willing to give up. So you watch the movie if you want to, and I'll boycott it if I want to. To each his own.
This is a gripe that occurs literally every time they base a movie on a book. The book fans complain that the actors don't fit the descriptions in the book, it's not what they pictured when they were reading it, the coloring is all wrong, yada yada yada. Not that I paid any attention at the time, but I hear there was a whole big to-do when Rob Pattinson was cast in Twilight; and almost no one was happy about Jennifer Lawrence getting the part of Katniss. Same petty complaints. And every time, it all turns into a big nothing. This one will be no different.
Here's the link. It's only brief. I just did it quickly to show what I would have preferred to have happened.https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9848016/1/
If the person who is cast in a role looks physically different from the description in the book, it's not usually a big deal for me, unless it's someone like Anne Shirley from Anne of Green Gables and she hasn't got red hair, because that's an important part of the story! I'm more concerned that they play the character's personality well.
The Mighty Katara wrote: "She was paid over $400 million"No way was Roth paid $400 million for a film option. Lionsgate 'only' paid an estimated $140 million in total to develop, film and distribute the Hunger Games Catching Fire -- a film that they expect to gross in excess of $600 million. The first Hunger Games film had a budget of $78 million, which was actually on the high end of what Lionsgate typically spends per film. They certainly don't expect Divergent to do as well Hunger Games and would never spend millions for the film rights: $400 thousand I might just barely believe, but not $400 million.
One excellent example of a book that was completely changed in the many various movie versions is I Am Legend by Richard Matheson. I Am Legend went through six different versions for both movie and TV. All of the film and TV versions varied in major ways from the book and the 2007 film version (staring Will Smith and directed by Francis Lawrence)actually had two different endings filmed: the one shown in theaters has the hero dying in the end, which is not what happened in the book.When the Blu-Ray DVD came out it included an alternative view (actually the original film ending that the studio nixed for obscure reasons). In the alternate (and much better) ending, Will Smith does NOT die (but also does not wind up in prison as in the book), instead he drives off with Ruth into the wilds north of New York to find whatever might remain of humanity and to start again.
I don't want to watch the movie. Don't bash me for that, I'm not interested in investing my time and money in the movies just to see my once favourite series ending up badly on the big screen.
Sage (the Duchess) wrote: "It's her story, guys; she should tell it the way it speaks to her, not to fit what her fans want."I've repeated this a dozen of times on several online discussions, I'll repeat it here- I don't care if she writes whatever she wants too, it should make sense with the body of the work. Also, writing whatever you wish in your books doesn't mean that you have to change the plot line and the characters so much just so you can fit them in your agenda and that's exactly what Roth did. Just shows me how lazy and bored she was while she wrote this book.
Also, we are fans, we obviously had certain expectations from Allegiant.
I simply don't agree with what Roth had done but I'm glad that you enjoyed the book.
Sage (the Duchess) wrote: "Veronica Roth said that she was anticipating this since the beginning.I had expectations, too, as did my friends. One had the same reaction as I did, one skipped the entire book to read the end, a..."
She anticipated mixed reactions. She did not anticipate THIS. "This" is "I like it" versus "Veronica Roth must die." Not cool to send death threats or anything, but that's the kind of reaction this has stirred.
Yes, she's the writer and she can write whatever she wants. But she also chose to publish her book, for sale, to a consumer audience. Why would someone sell a product that consumers don't want? That's just bad business. Say, Steve Jobs was at the drawing board designing the iPad, there are all kinds of expectations for what consumers want from computer devices, but Steve Jobs said, "Screw them, I have my vision for what I want my invention to have, and I'm going to design it the way I want regardless of what the consumers actually want."
I hate the 3rd book so much, but I have to go see the movie because of these two babies:
I'm also hoping they'll change the last movie, if it ever gets made.
if every book ends like we want it to then whats the point of reading as it will always be what u expected???if everything is a happy ending how boring life would be.
I expect to have a satisfying and appropriate ending. That does not necessarily have to be a happy ending. Just making sense would make it happy for me.
Lauren, I fudging agree with you!!!
Besides the ending was not my only problem. The book was full of plot holes, flawed science, implausibilities, illogical deux ex machina moments etc.
*I'm quoting my own opinions from an online discussion with a friend*Firstly, I can't get myself to write a proper review, my disappointment and pain are deep and fresh.
Let's start with Tobias. Didn't you find him to be a whole new person in Allegiant? He was stripped of all his charisma and boldness and was reduced to nothing but a man child who makes irrational decisions. There were so many plot holes, info-dumping and implausibilities throughout the book. One for example, Genes deciding a human's personality didn't make sense at all. The plot itself was rushed and convoluted that I didn't understand so many things and I was left with so many questions in the end. And the freaking ending! Her death was unnecessary and pointless. If Caleb had a chance to redeem himself why the hell did she take that opportunity from him only for him to live forever with the guilt of letting his sister sacrifice her life for him? Also, she was so obsessed with self sacrifice which I found to be very wrong because if your loved ones sacrifice their lives for you the best way to return them their sacrifice and be grateful to them is by living your own life happily. David killing her was so unbelievable because I found it hard to believe that he would kill the daughter of a lady he loved. How could he even aim properly since he was a person who worked at desks? Tris was trained properly during Dauntless initiation but then why couldn't she even think or try to disarm David who was on a wheel chair? Why in the first place does she even forget her own gun? If Cara, Caleb, Tobias etc. could retrieve guns and protective suit for the suicide mission why didn't they ever think of getting a bullet-proof vest too? Tris wore one while she went on a mission to The Fringe and maybe with the help of Amar they could've got it. The way the whole conflict was resolved between Evelyn and Allegiant just by Tobias giving some beautiful powerful speech on love was unconvincing. The whole resolution was devoid of suspense and thrill. And why couldn't Tobias make her believe in Loooove before? It could've saved us so much time.
I just felt that Roth wanted to deliberately push her plot forward throughout the book. She manipulated the characters just to fit them in her agenda. I felt her frustration throughout the book, I'm pretty sure that she got bored while writing. She must've thrown her typewriter/pencil/pen and screamed "AARRG! I'm running out of ideas!!!" as the result we got this craptastic finale to the first 2 amazing books. Everything was thrown into a hopeless mess.
I really wish Roth had stuck to the thematic build up of the first two books properly instead of trying something new.
Not only did she betray, disappoint and anger her own fans, she has created a huge controversy among them. Divergent's official facebook page is a testimony to that. You're going to find so many fans, supporting, insulting, criticizing and arguing with passion over the book and the author. When an author herself does something like that in her own fanbase, it means that she has certainly caused considerable damage. I'll forgive her only if she fixes everything up properly.
I understand that she wanted to remain true to her vision, and I respect that goal, but that doesn't mean we as the reading public should cop it on the chin and say, 'Well, she gets to make the rules, so we'll just swallow whatever she dishes out.' If a consumer doesn't like a product that he/she has purchased, it is usually because it didn't live up to their expectations. Like it or not, books are consumer goods and will be viewed this way. Yes, they are art as well, but they are also something we have all spent our hard earned dollars on.I could have probably come to terms with Trish's death if the rest of the book had been brilliant and it had seemed like a suitable, if poignant, conclusion to the story. It did not seem like that at all.
Lynne wrote: "I understand that she wanted to remain true to her vision, and I respect that goal, but that doesn't mean we as the reading public should cop it on the chin and say, 'Well, she gets to make the rul..."Agreed. I am a huge fan The Book thief by Marcus Zusak, I don't mind if authors kill 97% of their characters but I hate it when they kill them off as if they were video game characters or just for shock factor. There was no hope and justice by the end. The purpose the first 2 books served was for NOTHING. Everything Tris struggled for was for NOTHING. Everything came crashing down in the end.
So many fans online had told me to shut my mouth and not criticize the book because I didn't like it. Gosh, those people don't know anything about literary criticism or freedom of speech. Just because I loved the first two books in the series does not mean that I own blind "allegiance" to Veronica Roth.
I absolutely disliked The fault in our stars and Mockingjay so I won't compare them.
This thread is upsetting. Yes, I read Allegiant and am heart broken at the ending. BUT this is the author's story, not ours. Real life doesn't always have a happy ending where everyone lives. Chances are the author probably put her blood, sweat, and tears into these books and was no more happy than you or I at the ending. I've read countless articles/blogs/interviews with authors that say the story writes itself and what happens in said story is not always what the author wants, but just where the story needed to go. I've also read authors that knew the ending of the story before the series was even started. So be grateful for the story, the journey, and your relationship with the characters and stop being so judgmental and negative. This wasn't your story to tell.
Heather wrote: "if every book ends like we want it to then whats the point of reading as it will always be what u expected???if everything is a happy ending how boring life would be."
Perfect explanation.
@ MirandaThis is fiction not history. It's not bound to realism.
"This wasn't your story to tell. "But it was our money to spend. As consumers, we have the right to decide that we do not like the product that was sold to us, for whatever reason. We do not have a duty to just bend over and express gratitude that at least we had the chance to buy the product. We don't have to be grateful for anything. If we are unhappy with the product we received, if we thought we were getting a different kind of product and feel cheated that it turned out to be something else, if we expected something better, then we can express our unhappiness.
Lauren wrote: ""This wasn't your story to tell. "But it was our money to spend. As consumers, we have the right to decide that we do not like the product that was sold to us, for whatever reason. We do not ha..."
I'm all for expressing yourselves, freedom of speech, etc. But why does it have to be such a big deal? I just think some of these responses are a little much. That's the gamble you take on a book or movie, not knowing or liking the ending. You can't please everyone.
Ayesha wrote: "@ MirandaThis is fiction not history. It's not bound to realism."
So in a fictional world, no one that the reader loves is allowed to die? I know the difference between fiction and history. I read a lot of fantasy books. Not so sure you are following what I was trying to say. Like Heather wrote, if all books had a happy ending, how boring and predictable they would be.
Miranda wrote: "Lauren wrote: ""This wasn't your story to tell. "But it was our money to spend. As consumers, we have the right to decide that we do not like the product that was sold to us, for whatever reason..."
I guess the expectations for this series were very high and the payoff was a million miles away from what people wanted.
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