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The Most Overrated Books

I will vehemently argue DaVinci code, I LOVED it, thought it deserved its hype.
I'll issue a minor harrumph over Gatsyby's making the most overrated list.
The rest belong here.
You've only got 9 up there, and I need two replacements for a nice round 10:
Steig Larsson's dragon tattoo series- not terrible books, but certainly mediocre. Perhaps the most overrated EVER
Phillip Roth's Human Stain which IME is the worst book I've ever read- just heard it made someone's 10 best of the new millennium
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Dude- I'm all for erotic stories, Not since the early 60s when 30 year old Lady Chatterly's Lover finally got the nod from congress has it been so socially acceptable to read smut without hiding it under your mattress - Horay!
BUT THIS! THIS is the best we can do? No. No its not.


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What do you think constitutes something being 'over rated' to begin with? Is it because a lot of people enjoy the book and you didn't? Is it because you had to study it at school? Because it's a classic? This is too subjective a topic.
The same book can mean different things to someone even if you read it at different times in your life. For example, if you read Catcher in the Rye as a kid going through adolescence you might identify with it much more than if you read it as a thirty-something old.
Too many reasons why people will disagree on a list like this. Plus, it doesn't really prove anything except that some people don't like certain books while others do.

Following from this, I look at all newly-published books (50 Shades, Twilight etc) that get a lot of hype with suspicion. I don't jump into them. Time will save the best and kill the rest.

And no, I am not Christian.
Atlas Shrugged was boring. Ayn Rand is boring. Her political ideas are warped. Anyone want to buy a first edition. I got one for sale.
Gatsby has too many problems, literary, factual, warped viewpoint and attitudes. Come off it, we Easterners are not a bunch of greedy, moneygrubbers. No more so than mid-westerners.
The movie TWILIGHT was a plodding bore. Kiss me, neck me but don`t bite. Ho hum. bloodsucking atrocious. Don`t have the foolishness to read the book after watching such bad acting.
Never understood CITR. I guess I don`t have what Holden had.
I would add, NADJA by andre breton. Also Paradise Lost, THE POWER AND THE GLORY,and SANCTUARY
The one I've read most recently that I'd put at the top of a list of overrated books is Death in Venice. Although I know this book is considered a classic steeped in allegory, I can't get past the surface story of an adult man infatuated to the point of obsession with a young boy. It offended my sensibilities on every level. Even though I've read stellar reviews and a variety of professional analyses about the plot and characters, my opinion of the book and author have not changed. In fact, the more I read and discover about the author's own obsession with his 14 year old son, the more convinced I am in my opinion that this work was a self indulgent project and published more for shock value than anything else. Scholars and readers may continue to espouse the story's merit and depth in an effort to justify its classic status - however, in my opinion, it is Mann who is having the last laugh.

My votes for the most overrated pop culture book would be Twilight, Left Behind, or Ender's Game.
My votes for most overrated classic would be the Great Gatsby, Lolita, and Catcher in the Rye.
I actually liked Les Miserables, but I did have some issues with it and do consider it to be somewhat overrated. I'm talking about the Hugo novel BTW, not the musical number.

Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waiting for Godot
The..."
I liked The Great Gatsby and Twilight. If I added books to this list, they would be The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and 50 Shades of Grey. I didn't even finish Shades of Grey, and I never though TGwtDT would ever end!

I don't think that anyone is trying to ultimately prove anything. (At least I'm not.) It's just a discussion on people's options and thoughts on books. There's no wrong or right. The nature of book discussions are usually subjective. It's personal thoughts in a group where people agree to disagree. It's just interesting to hear what others think about a book.

This is very true. I've read books thinking I'd like them, and I didn't. I've started books I thought I'd hate, but I was curious, so I read them. I ended up enjoying them. The Twilight saga were books I thought I'd hate, but I ended up liking them. Go figure. :)

Haven't read some of those, but, while not life changing, The Da Vinci Code worked fine as an entertaining read. I disagree with Waiting for Godot and The Stranger, but I'm not surprised to see them there.
I'd add A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Ethan Frome, The House of Mirth, and The Sorrows of Young Werther.


It is fun to rant and vent about the books you HATED that everyone else seems to love. I find it cathartic personally.
How come nobody has a problem with threads that ask you to list your favorite books? I've participated in such a thread where there are well over 70 people willing to share books they loved. Not one person posted anything like "What is the point?" "It's all subjective." etc, etc. But, when the question is turned around, some people seem to have a problem with listing the books they wouldn't recommend. Personally, it's very helpful to me to hear constructive criticism from others about books they thought were overrated. I have limited time to read so if one person saves me some searching and helps me decide whether or not I want to read a book, then this thread is worth it.

The problem with lists like this is that they don't give details about a books weaknesses (as perceived subjectively). You are still left with an opinion that you may not share if you read the book, which in fact may be an important book for you though others find it overrated. I suppose if you read the list and checked it against reviews you would know more. By the way, though they do have their weaknesses (what books do not?) I do not think Catcher, Moby Dick, The Great Gatsby or The Stranger overrated. I haven't read Godot and Ulysses, but that is because I am have been lazy and they are works that demand an effort to read in a way I'm not accustomed to reading; that does not make them overrated. As for the last three, Atlas Shrugged is a pile of over-determined caca and I usually find pop novels vapid, badly written, and more annoying than enjoyable.


Dunno about Moby Dick though. Boring at times for sure. But amazing prose. Ulysses is the 'Kid A' of great novels. Not for everyday reading, but undeniable brilliance.



Moby Dick I did enjoy. Did not enjoy The Old Man and the Sea. I Find that overrated.


I'm glad you were able to enjoy Lolita. Like I said, I really don't think it is a bad book. It is quite good, but do you see what I'm saying with the controversy thing? Nabokov hardly helped. I'm pretty sure I remember reading that he at first refused to give his true opinions on the matter of pedophilia and only admitted that he doesn't sympathize with Humbert after the media controversy had made him a literary legend and millions of dollars.

Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waiting for Godot
The..."
Lists like this that lack objective measurement parameters serve no useful purpose. It's strictly a matter of personal taste.

With no restrictions, though, I would include The Life of Pi as being one of the most overrated books I've ever read. Everyone and their brother has suggested it to me at one time or another and I barely got through it.
Jane Austen would be #1 on my list for most overrated authors.


I should have said "in Tehran." As for 'Lolita,' maybe it's hard to separate it from the hoohaa but I read it much later and have found few books so brilliant on American culture, though I am not a particular fan of Nabokov.

'Ulysses' and 'Midnight's Children' are two of the worst books I've ever read. They make Stephenie Meyer look like a genius.
'The Da Vinci Code' is actually a fairly good thriller, and 'Twilight' is a decent supernatural romance, but they're both very overrated.
Two underrated novels are 'Temeraire' (also known as His Majesty's Dragon) by Naomi Novik, and 'Dangerous Liaisons' by De Laclos (best book of the 1700's in my opinion).
But it's all subjective opinion anyway. Lots of people really love the books on that list.
'The Da Vinci Code' is actually a fairly good thriller, and 'Twilight' is a decent supernatural romance, but they're both very overrated.
Two underrated novels are 'Temeraire' (also known as His Majesty's Dragon) by Naomi Novik, and 'Dangerous Liaisons' by De Laclos (best book of the 1700's in my opinion).
But it's all subjective opinion anyway. Lots of people really love the books on that list.

I would never NOT read a book because it showed up on this thread- but I WOULD put one down half way through instead of thinking to myself "this has to get good any minute now" instead of going with my instincts.
Its never a waste to start a book- but it can be a waste to finish one if you are suffering through it.
I think the classics should be read- but I think this thread is more geared toward enjoyment. You cant argue the cultural or literary relevance or Moby Dick or Catcher, but you can admit it if they bored you to tears or would rather poke needles in your eyes than read them again.



I agree completely, and appreciate your comments- its an excellent review of the book.
Holden was an "obvious teen"
To you its touching and hearbreaking, this teenager trying to cope with life.
To me its boring common and winey, because he's just another teenager trying to cope with life.
I don't HATE Holden C, I couldn't care less about Holden and that's why IMO it belongs on the list for the most overrated book ever.


When I am looking at a book on Amazon, I usually go to the 1 star ratings. Most people give specifics as to why they didn't like it and when I see things like: needs more editing, lots of hype but no substance, story is just a vehicle for ranting, erotica, an ax to grind etc. I nix the book. I might look at the 5 star ratings to see what people are saying but people can gush over a lot of garbage...as with 50 Shades.
However, I do like Gatsby, but that was after I tutored a high school student in English. I did a bit of research to refresh my memory and I came across this point: If Gatsby had a more worthy object than, Daisy then everything he did to be worthy of her would have been heroic. Because he loved Daisy when he was very young, he became a self-made man of wealth, culture and position. He was single minded in his ambition and ultimately he gave his life for her. Unfortunately, Daisy wasn't worthy of him.
In the beginning of the book, the narrator has something to say about him which is the key to the book:
Gatsby, who represented everything for which I have an unaffected scorn. If personality is an unbroken series of successful gestures, then there was something gorgeous about him, some heightened sensitivity to the promises of life, as if he were related to one of those intricate machines that register earthquakes ten thousand miles away. This responsiveness had nothing to do with that flabby impressionability which is dignified under the name of the "creative temperament"-it was an extraordinary gift for hope, a romantic readiness such as I have never found in any other person and which it is not likely I shall ever find again. No-Gatsby turned out all right at the end; it is what preyed on Gatsby, what foul dust floated in the wake of his dreams that temporarily closed out my interest in the abortive sorrows and short-winded elations of men.

Excellently put!!! "
Ditto.


I'd say 50% of the NYT bestseller list is overhyped; but that's more about consumption than rating good books.
I was underwhelmed when I ready Jane Eyre, and wished I'd read it before my 40's when I was more of a romantic. I know I would've emotionally connected to it more at a younger age. I still liked it and thought it was good but not the best book ever.
An author and series of books that I despise who many seem to love is Augustan Burroughs. I really loathe his writing and am stymied how he ever became a writer. UGH.

Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waiting for Godot
The Stranger
Ulysses
Atlas Shrugged
The Da Vinci Code
Twilight
I agree with the list except Moby Dick and Waiting for Godot.
The rest are, mostly, not worth the paper they're printed on. Ulysses is worth reading, but it wouldn't be criminal to skip. The others are waste.

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Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waiting for Godot
The Stranger
Ulysses
Atlas Shrugged
The Da Vinci Code
Twilight
What do you think? Do you agree? Any titles you'd add to the list?