The Catcher in the Rye
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Kallie wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Kallie wrote: " I like dreaming."Me too! In my dreams I am consistently a good runner, a good swimmer, a horrible driver and worse bicycle rider, and the worst kisser -ever-"
I'm..."
I can't run in my dreams- I also feel like I'm under water, and I can't scream. I think these are fear dreams, they must be- vulnerability to danger.
My grandmother claimed she had the same dream almost every night for over thirty years: she was a swan trying to maneuver its way through a series of power masts, but always ended up hitting one, whereupon she would wake up quite exhausted. Doesn't sound too pleasant.
Paul Martin wrote: "My grandmother claimed she had the same dream almost every night for over thirty years: she was a swan trying to maneuver its way through a series of power masts, but always ended up hitting one, w..."What is a power mast, Paul?
Hm, I just assumed that that's what it's called in English...http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/mast-p...
Those things.
We usually say transmission tower or utility pole (depending) but I like power mast much better. Sounds like a feature on the sailing ship of the gods.
Hah, the results may vary with these spontaneous direct translations.
Paul Martin wrote: "Hah, the results may vary with these spontaneous direct translations."It's a funny dream, with swans typically representing grace and beauty, and power lines representing power, or struggle in the case, I suppose, of bashing into them, or getting tangled.... I wrote a something about my own way of interpreting dreams a while back, but it's likely too long and boring to share here. Have to skedaddle for the weekend anyway...
Leslie wrote: "Kallie wrote: " I like dreaming."Me too! In my dreams I am consistently a good runner, a good swimmer, a horrible driver and worse bicycle rider, and the worst kisser -ever-"
Well if you are a terrible kisser in your dreams, Kallie, I will avoid being in your dreams.
Paul Martin wrote: "My grandmother claimed she had the same dream almost every night for over thirty years: she was a swan trying to maneuver its way through a series of power masts, but always ended up hitting one, w..."The same nightmare every night for 30 years? That is so unfair.
I just read that the number 1 is usually red for people with synesthesia . You think of this as being idiosyncratic, but this is a Jungian slant to it.
Edward wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Karen wrote: "Kallie wrote: "Lucie wrote: "Anne Hawn wrote: "Renee wrote: "I have a cherished friend (also a writer AND an artist) who has synesthesia. I am envious. I imagine/ dif..."
I would like to dream of past pets, the Manhattan dream is funny, could be scary though.
Anne Hawn wrote: "I just read that the number 1 is usually red for people with synesthesia . You think of this as being idiosyncratic, but this is a Jungian slant to it."I'll have to ask Lorraine if that's the case for her! Interesting.
In my head, 1 corresponds to green, a color I'm not particularly fond of.
Renee wrote: "Anne Hawn wrote: "I just read that the number 1 is usually red for people with synesthesia . You think of this as being idiosyncratic, but this has a Jungian slant to it."I'll have to ask Lorraine..."
Interesting!, Let me know.
Okay, Lorraine's replay about how she sees the number 1 is:"It's usually a translucent whitish, like beach quartz and can be tinted with the colors of any nearby numbers or letters."
Now how freaking AMAZING would it be to see that way? It's like an X-Men power :D
Renee wrote: "Okay, Lorraine's replay about how she sees the number 1 is:"It's usually a translucent whitish, like beach quartz and can be tinted with the colors of any nearby numbers or letters."
Now how fr..."
Okay. I have to admit I am envious.
I'm sure most of you folks will know that Nabokov had synesthesia. I found this book to be an interesting take on what he wrote about his perception:Vladimir Nabokov, Alphabet in Color
I did not know that, Gary!
My son hears each note of the scale as a different color & therefor has perfect pitch! When he was younger, each letter and number used to have its own color. Some consider synesthesia a disorder, but perhaps humans are evolving to have these abilities.
Michael wrote: "My son hears each note of the scale as a different color & therefor has perfect pitch! When he was younger, each letter and number used to have its own color. Some consider synesthesia a disorder, but perhaps humans are evolving to have these abilities. ..."Exactly what I have thought, Michael.
edit: Had to go jot down some notes for a story on this, Two Is Blue :D No, it won't be for children . . .
Renee wrote: "Michael wrote: "My son hears each note of the scale as a different color & therefor has perfect pitch! When he was younger, each letter and number used to have its own color. Some consider synesthe..."Isn't this simply another way of sensing the world? Must we assume it is superior and the rest of us are not so 'evolved'? Maybe my envy is showing, but interpreting synesthesia as superior sensing reminds me of Trungpa's warnings against 'spiritual materialism.' For one thing, we may possess ways of sensing, on a subconscious level, of which we are unaware.
Kallie wrote;"Must we assume it is superior and the rest of us are not so 'evolved'"?
Agreed
No argument here.
Edward wrote: "Michael did not use the value judgmental word "superior." He said "evolved." Perhaps, if it makes one more comfortable "de-evolved" may be substituted. And here I thought that Nabokov was totally h..."He was! People used to see him dashing around like a mad man with his net. He was an expert on Butterflies- his passion.
Michael wrote: "My son hears each note of the scale as a different color & therefor has perfect pitch! When he was younger, each letter and number used to have its own color. Some consider synesthesia a disorder, ..."That is why it is dangerous to see whoever is different as abnormal. Whatever is our difference, we are just exceptional, that is to say "out of the ordinary" or out of the mainstream. That doesn't necessarily means better nor worse. That just means other.
Danielle wrote: "That is why it is dangerous to see whoever is different as abnormal. Whatever is our difference, we are just exceptional, that is to say "out of the ordinary" or out of the mainstream. That doesn't necessarily means better nor worse. That just means other. ..."
I just posted another post on my discussion board about The Radio City Music Hall and Allie...I bet you never thought there was a connection. I think I prove there is one
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Don't forget 'In Cold Blood'. This book was a real novelty in the sixties.
A writer who disliked music but loved butterflies? Haha, wow.
Cosmic wrote: "GM made:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW
Thus Holden's preoccupation with the ducks."
Cosmic, this strikes me as simply bizzare. It is a stretch of the imagination to draw any connection between the "Duck" amphibious landing craft and the real migrating ducks of Central Park in CiTR, which have already been adequately explained as a metaphor for Holden's transitional state.
The military Duck is an aluminum "amphibious" personnel carrier. "Duck" is a misnomer, alluding to the gawky, clumsy look the thing has on land. (They are in use today in San Francisco as tour buses.) You have made no connection whatsoever between Ducks and ducks, other than both have some connection with water and movement.
"The Allies (Allies) go into Spain in 1948, no...just like Holden corrects Stradlater that it is Jane not Jean so you have to do this with Allie.
'He got leukemia and died when we were up in Maine, on July 18, 1946. You'd have liked him. He was two years younger than I was, but he was about fifty times as intelligent.'."
Allie and Allies? Same thing other than spelling, what does one have to do with the other, Spain and Main?! Criminy, THAT's supposed to be a connection?
(Damn! Suckered in again. I'm beginning to think you're a troll, Cosmic. Are you on Goodreads' payroll? You've given me a massive headache.)
The Ducks are in Seattle , too. I saw one this summer, but it didn't look like a good way to see a new city! Give me the red double decker buses in London!
The Ducks are at the U. of Oregon. There now, are matters confuzzled satisfactorily?
Monty J says:Cosmic, this strikes me as simply bizzare. It is a stretch of the imagination to draw any ..."
The DUKW (colloquially known as Duck) is a six-wheel-drive modification of the 2-ton capacity "deuce" trucks used by the U.S. military in World War II amphibious truck, designed by a partnership under military auspices of Sparkman & Stephens and General Motors Corporation (GMC) for transporting goods and troops over land and water, and approaching and crossing beaches in amphibious attacks. Designed only to last long enough to meet the demands of combat, DUKWs were later used as tourist craft in marine environments.
They were used on the D-Day beaches of Normandy and in the Battle of the Scheldt, Operation Veritable and Operation Plunder. Amphibious beachheads were thought to be highly vulnerable to early counterattack as the landing units would deplete their ammunition and the supply system would not yet be established. The principal use was to ferry supplies from ship to shore, and tasks such as transporting wounded combatants to hospital ships or operations in flooded (polder) landscape.
Was Salinger in Normandy? Was both Salinger and these ducks in WW2.
Maybe you like these ducks better:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=d...
They are here in Boston, as well, dripping with symbolism. Oh, no, wait ... that's water.
Michael wrote: "They are here in Boston, as well, dripping with symbolism. Oh, no, wait ... that's water."Ha ha. Love those Ducks in Boston!
Petergiaquinta wrote: "The Ducks are in Seattle , too. I saw one this summer, but it didn't look like a good way to see a new city! Give me the red double decker buses in London!"Have you ridden one? I loved it and it was the best time we had in London.
Renee wrote: "The Ducks are at the U. of Oregon. There now, are matters confuzzled satisfactorily?"
Oh yes!
Duck . . .Duck . . .
GOOSE!
*runs like the Cwn Arrwn have been loosed*
I really doubt Salinger was referring to amphibious landing craft in that section. However, Cosmic might be on to something in another sense. "Ducks" was a term for breasts in and around the time of Shakespeare. Henry VIII wrote to Anne Boleyn: "...because of same payne in my head, wishing myself (specially an evening) in my sweethearts armes whose pritty duckys I trust shortly to kysse."Also, duck and ducky have been terms for "sweetheart" since that time, and would have been recognized as such up until only a few decades ago. "Wanna kiss me, ducky?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZLmP...
Throughout the novel Holden's sex obsession ("obsession" is probably too strong a word--"typical teenage boy interest" is more apt) is expressed in various ways. Salinger might have been getting at that....
I believe that Salinger was alluding to duct tape, which was developed during WWII. From Wikipedia:During World War II, Revolite, then a division of Johnson & Johnson, developed an adhesive tape made from a rubber-based adhesive applied to a durable duck cloth backing. This tape resisted water and was used as sealing tape on ammunition cases during World War II.[
Perhaps they are Tucks at the O. or Uregon.
Or there's a connection between Michael's and Gary's theories . . . Sex and duct tape . . .
Hmmm . . .
Renee wrote: "Or there's a connection between Michael's and Gary's theories . . . Sex and duct tape . . .
Hmmm . . ."
Now I'm paying attention...
Leslie wrote: "Renee wrote: "Or there's a connection between Michael's and Gary's theories . . . Sex and duct tape . . .
Hmmm . . ."
Now I'm paying attention..."
LOL !!! Duct tape is so handy
Karen wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Renee wrote: "Or there's a connection between Michael's and Gary's theories . . . Sex and duct tape . . .
Hmmm . . ."
Now I'm paying attention..."
LOL !!! Duct tape is so handy"
Handy...footie...whatever'll keep 'em from squirming around.
Oh, GODS! Footie . . . I got a proposition from a dude on another site wanting to sleep at the foot of my bed and lick my feet!To keep it on-topic, that sort of thing is SO over-rated.
Renee wrote: "To keep it on-topic, that sort of thing is SO over-rated."Good job!! ha ha ha!
Late as ever, I enter in about ducks. Our ducks come from "The Prairie Pothole Region" also called "the duck factory" (weird).http://www.ducks.org/new-mexico/new-m...
So, this migratory path looked suspiciously familiar to me, a student of Southwest studies, and sure enough! It is nearly the exact same migratory route taken by the Athapaskans (later to split into various Apache tribes and the Navajo):
http://www.urbannavajo.org/2013/03/ju...
And so . . . I don't know what that signifies. What a dud.
Maybe it signifies that the Athapaskans were clever, observant people. Or they could have been conspiring with the ducks to cloud understanding of the book to be written by Salinger far in the future. ;-)
But wait, Kallie! Old Spencer has a Navajo blanket...I think you're on to something here!
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I ma most likely the opposite of visual, my dreams are like stories without pictures, most peculiar, as if I read my dreams in a book."
I've never heard of that. I know that some people learn better from what they hear and some through what they see. You must be an auditory learner.