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Hello everybody!
I´d like to add "Ship of Fools" and the most of the works of Pearl S. Buck...
I´d like to add "Ship of Fools" and the most of the works of Pearl S. Buck...

Here is an addition to your list of over rated, anything by Hemingway.



It would be silly to put something to compare Don Quixote to 50 Shades of Grey just because they have both sold an insane amount of copies.
The Catcher in the Rye, Moby Dick, Great Gatsby, Waiting for Godot, The Stranger and Ulysses are certainly not over-rated, however. I will go along with you regarding Da Vinci Code and Twilight and would like to add the Lord of the Ring series and Harry Potter for consideration.
Yes, I would agree that Tolkiens work is very overrated! Same with Harry Potter - nice literature for kids, nothing to be compared to Ulysses or The Great Gatsby...

As for Catcher in the Rye, it is at best a coming-of-age novel expressing the plight of being a teenager. At worst it is right up there with Twilight in angst-ridden shallow indulgence.

that means it is perceived to be more than it is.
More than any other description OVERRATED is totally subjective- what impacts me will be different than what impacts you- A 10 year old who's imagination is ignited and starts avidly reading after the first harry potter book- that book is completely relevant and impactful to that person- not at all overrated.
It can mean anything to anyone- popularity, longevity, perceived cultural value, social impact, sales, acceptance by educators or critical acclaim. Overrated does not have to focus on perennial classics or popular best sellers, old or new.
I love the open dialogue, but Im disappointed in the people (and this is not a response to the immediately previous posts) who degrade others for an opinion that conflicts with their own. Lets keep it about the books and not make personal judgments about the people who are participating in this conversation.



It was the scene that went on an on about getting bitten by a mosquito that made me put it down the last time.
I've still got the book. It's in my "to be given away" box. I tried 4 times to read it wondering what the hubub was about. Borders hyped it like crazy. Now Borders is no more. Maybe that says something.
Maybe I'll try again. It's just that the writing is so immature that I can only take it in small doses and between attempts I lose interest in the "plot" such as it is.
Maybe it should be classified as a romance novel. Nothing against that genre; it's just not my reading fare.
I saw the film and, though Julia Roberts gave a very credible performance, it felt shallow. Maybe because there was nothing new or revelatory, for me. I've been practicing yoga for decades. I've spent time in an ashram. I have no interest in "great food." Hedonism bores me.
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[Wikipedia] "In early 2010, the feminist magazine Bitch published a critical review and social commentary called "Eat, Pray, Spend". Authors Joshunda Sanders and Diana Barnes-Brown wrote that 'Eat, Pray, Love is not the first book of its kind, but it is a perfect example of the genre of priv-lit: literature or media whose expressed goal is one of spiritual, existential, or philosophical enlightenment contingent upon women’s hard work, commitment, and patience, but whose actual barriers to entry are primarily financial. 'The genre, they argued, positions women as inherently and deeply flawed, and offers 'no real solutions for the astronomically high tariffs—both financial and social—that exclude all but the most fortunate among us from participating.'"

My top choice is Infinite Jest, even though I think Wallace was brilliant & I thought Brief Interviews with Hideous Men was fantastic.
I'd like to have an opinion about Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow, but can't manage to make any headway.

It was the scene that went on an on about getting bitten by a mosquito that made me put it down the ..."
I think 'shallow' is a good one-word dismissal of this book. But the critical review by Sanders and Barnes-Brown points out a serious problem: this sort of book perpetuates a view of women as frivolous and self-involved; it doesn't show how serious many women are about their spiritual practice, or becoming stronger in character (however one wants to word that). To me Eat Pray Love represents thoughtless consumerism at its worst because of the spiritual pretensions. I couldn't get past the first ten pages so maybe I'm being too harsh.

Bingo! You've just given me a reason to finish the book. It exposes serious flaws in society. When we see ourselves in a flawed character we are given an opportunity to change. Like Heartbreak Kid, EPL reveals the shallowness of some human values that are all to common.



Maria wrote: "Which books do you think are overrated?
Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waiting for Godot
The..."


And hey, I'm not saying you have to "get it" either. Please: read for pleasure and read what you like. Who the fuck am I to judge, right?
(Message 48: Emma, above, has a point too.)


AMEN.

You make some good points in this post. If I find a book challenging and see it through anyway, that's to my benefit. If it's too challenging or offends my sense of whatever, why not just say that instead of dissing the book. So you've made me re-think how I comment on some literary works; they may be too challenging or offend me but that doesn't mean they are overrated. (I don't include entertainment type novels in this discussion.)

respect. :)

You are probably right. Even though I personally don't like some books, I accept that others love them and that my opinion/taste is not the end all, be all. I also like to dissect books to find out what their merits are (actually, I don't think it is fair to give a negative review of a classic novel unless you do the “homework”), but sometimes I still don't find any. I'm sure you are right, I just don't “get it.” I agree that saying a book is not worth the paper it is printed is a ridiculous assertion. I hate ice cream but I don't go around saying that all ice cream should be thrown away. On the other hand, it is really annoying when you don't like something and people keep trying to force it on you (people do this with ice cream all of the time) saying that you are too stupid or that you don't understand it. Understanding is not synonymous with liking. I can “get” a joke without thinking it is funny. By the way, I have heard the “you don't get it” argument used in defense of Twilight (now that I don't get).

I think this is probably the best post on this entire thread. Sometimes it is far more satisfying to complain about a book you don't like than it is to expound the virtues of one you love.

Yes, media hype overlooks some (maybe a lot of) excellent writers and their books, and that's a shame.

When I was a junior in high school we had to read Alice in Wonderland and we all were insulted at having to read a children's book. We soon learned that it could be read on two levels. Once we started studying it, everything changed. One thing I remember especially was the poem called "Jabberwocky." Even though the poem filled with nonsense words you have a complete idea of what the poem is about because of the word patterns, but when you actually pay attention to the words you see his genius.
"Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
(We know just where this is going despite the silly words.)
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
How horrible can a "Jubjub" bird be?
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!"
"Uffish thought" doesn't sound like something a hero would do, and how does a Jabberwock with "eyes of flame" "whiffle?"
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
A "vorpal blade going "snicker-snack?" A fearsome Jabberwock goes "galumphing?"
The wordplay is fantastic and it is all through the book. There is political satire, social commentary and all sorts of things to appeal to adults. In fact, this is a book written by a person of great logic playing games with a children's story.
This book is like so many of the classics. If we hadn't studied the book and "done the homework" we would still be thinking that this book is just a clever children's story.



I would ad to your list - The Alchemist.
Kenneth wrote: "Maria wrote: "Which books do you think are overrated?
Here's a quick sampling from various internet sites that recommend skipping these:
The Catcher in the Rye
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
Waitin..."

They each went around saying the Jabberwocky poem over and over in our house. (in around 4th grade..."
We also liked "The Walrus and the Carpenter."

Thanks, Matt, for pointing that out. I think you are right. I've followed this thread almost since the beginning and I keep coming back to see what others have said. There are a lot of very thoughtful comments here and I've learned a lot.
Unfortunately, that is not true for a lot of commentaries. Some people can not disagree without being insulting and that's a shame. It shuts off the free flow of ideas and the person doing the insulting learns nothing.

Yeah. For sure. Some of the threads here are WARZONES. Caps Lock necessary.

Poppycock! The old testament is replete with misogyny, sexism, hate, adultery, polygamy, murder, involuntary servitude, incest, inconsistency, contradiction, and classism. In short, it would make for a best seller today....but it's not literature.
The new testament is interesting philosophy in the same vein as Siddhartha, The Stranger, and Bartleby the Scrivener. You needn't believe in it to have a healthy discussion around it and it generally espouses positive virtues for mankind and not salacious ones.
I confess that I do not see where the prophecies of the Old Testament come to fruition in the New and would suggest that the New Testament can stand entirely on its own and that US society might be better off if the old testament didn't exist to be quoted as some kind of higher authority by the haters in our society.

Not really, classics have lasted for many reasons, only one of which is quality. For starters, once the authorities say a book is good, lots of people are willing to repeat that just not to look like they don't get it. Not to mention that books that support the status quo are obviously reaffirming the ideas people have about the world and are comfortable for them to read. I do agree with you that it is subjective, this applies to everything, classics included, though.

I think you will find that many of the classics that have changed the world: Uncle Tom's Cabin, A Christmas Carol, The Jungle, Common Sense, The Communist Manifesto, On Liberty, Brave New World, 1984...and many, many more. "The pen is mightier than the sword."
I agree with you that many of today's best sellers are only read because everyone is reading them and and there are many of dubious quality, but the classics are different.
Disliking the classics in general is like saying Pavarotti didn't have a good voice because you don't like opera.
http://oedb.org/ilibrarian/50_books_t...

"Disliking the classics in general is like saying Pavarotti didn't have a good voice because you don't like opera. " - sorry, but have to disagree with this... Although I love most of the classics...
Disliking the classics in general would be more like disliking the opera in general, because - maybe I just don't like the opera, and it has nothing to do with me thinking that Pavarotti doesn't have a good voice...

That is exactly the point. I wasn't making a comparison between categories but in opinions. For example, I say something is crap...Pavarotti's voice, because I don't like type of singing...opera. I think War of the Worlds is crap because I dislike science fiction. I think the classics are crap because they don't entertain me. (None of these things are what I really think and I never say something is "crap" even if it is.)
Anyone has the right to dislike any of those thing based on personal preference, but if a person wants to condemn something that most people find worthwhile, it's best to be able to say why you don't like it...poor vocabulary, weak plot, uninteresting subject etc.

I suspect each one of us has read several books that they feel the same about. That book was so great and brilliant and no one has ever heard of it. 12 years ago I read a book titled SMALL or SMAIL by a French/Algerian author about a Young Arab, extremely bright, who is trying so hard to both avoid overt prejudice/discrimination in France and succeed as a professional person but who eventually succumbs to the skin trade. Anyone out there know the book?

Actually, I was hard pressed to understand why she left her husband. Perhaps I missed something? But considering Monty´s comments that the book is shallow, it´s understandable the reason for her departure. The fault in the marriage lay in the author.
I did enjoy the movie as I love watching Roberts, no matter what flick she´s in. Bardem´s brilliant acting awakened my interest in his career I had never seen him before.

I don't think you should automatically approach a classic novel expecting it to be better than modern novels. That's not very fair to modern writers, is it? :)
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