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Wecker, Helene - The Golem and the Jinni- Start Date November 12, 2013 (November 2013 Adult Sci-Fi/Fantasy)
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Date Chapters Pages PPDQs
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November 12th 1 - 3 1 - 79
November 13th 4 - 6 80 - 164
November 14th 7 - 9 165 - 244
November 15th 10 - 12 245 - 321
November 16th 13 - 15 322 - 396
November 17th 16 - 17 397 - 469
November 18th 18 - 20 470 - 560
November 19th 21 - 22 561 - 631
November 20th 23 - 25 632 - 707
November 21st 26 - end 708 - 809
OMG it won. I can't believe it. I am so excited. I think it was runner up in the last nomination?
I'm so excited to read this book :), I have been waiting for a long time to start it, I've got an audio, so I will start on time. :)
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I listened to it a month ago. While i am not going to reread it, i will surely pop in.
Just finished reading this one. All I can say is that it's freaking amazing :)
I have been wanting to read this book!
Oh yay! I picked this up a while ago so I'm excited there's a group read for it!
So this book is a whopping 812 pages long, but I have the large print paperback. Just checked and the hardback is only 496 pages. I'm going to try to break it down to 75 - 85 pages a day.
Date Chapters Pages PPDQs
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November 12th 1 - 3 1 - 79
November 13th 4 - 6 80 - 164
November 14th 7 - 9 165 - 244
November 15th 10 - 12 245 - 321
November 16th 13 - 15 322 - 396
November 17th 16 - 17 397 - 469
November 18th 18 - 20 470 - 560
November 19th 21 - 22 561 - 631
November 20th 23 - 25 632 - 707
November 21st 26 - end 708 - 809
I'm in! Just got the book.
I was hoping to join in on this read but it seems like everyone in the area is reading this book and so there aren't any copies in the library!!! I'll see if I can find a copy soon!
Closest I could get to a glass Palace:
New York in 1900's:
Ellis Island:
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 31) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
Only just started but am totally drawn in - I am completely intrigued. Will try to finish the first three chapters and then comment.
And what a way to set the stage of suspense in the first chapter - we know that a golem left to roam without a master cannot be good - I mean there were specific instructions to stop the Golem and now what?
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 – 3
1) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I liked the Golem, she seems good. I liked that she “helped” the boy, but she didn’t seem to have any control about it. I’m not sure if I like that she can feel the desires of other people, she doesn’t have a lot of control over it and the things she does as a result of it.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
I don’t know. I don’t think I’ll ever want to make a Golem.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
I think she’s going to surprise him, she already has it seems.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I don’t like him yet, he thinks a bit too much of himself. We don’t have the complete story yet of how he ended up in the bottle and I’m very curious about that. I think the bottle is a family heirloom and ended up in New York with immigrants.
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
I think the wizard is dead, why would people use the bottle for oil otherwise. They didn’t know it was being used as a prison for a Jinni.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I liked the Golem’s story best, we don’t have Jinni’s complete story yet. My interest is definitely captured. I think the Jinni is going to cause most trouble.
1) Imke said, "I liked the Golem, she seems good. I liked that she “helped” the boy, but she didn’t seem to have any control about it. I’m not sure if I like that she can feel the desires of other people, she doesn’t have a lot of control over it and the things she does as a result of it."I agree, it is troublesome that she feels so compelled to help others. I wonder if she will be able to learn to control the urge? In and of itself, it's not a bad trait. She seems sweet right now and I can't imagine her turning evil or they type who would purposefully hurt others.
2) Imke said, "I don’t know. I don’t think I’ll ever want to make a Golem. "
lol I don't think I would either, but thinking about it reminds me of that old story where you have to be careful what you wish for because you might just get it, only totally different and in a more twisted way than what you really wanted. A kind of choose wisely and be specific type of mentality. I have to admit Otto's reason for wanting the Golem kind of gave me the heebee geebees.
3) Imke said, "I think she’s going to surprise him, she already has it seems.
That is what I'm thinking as well. :)
4) Imke said, "I don’t like him yet, he thinks a bit too much of himself. We don’t have the complete story yet of how he ended up in the bottle and I’m very curious about that. I think the bottle is a family heirloom and ended up in New York with immigrants."
My thoughts of him are unsure as well. I like the contrast between the Golem and the Jinni. I really want to know how he ended up in that bottle too. I think it would be interesting, however, if by some means (spell or otherwise) the wizard was able to siphen some of the immortality from the Jinni while he was in the bottle. Was he aware the whole time or asleep? He seemed to think the wizard would be right there. I thought it interesting he didn't talk about his time in the bottle.
Have to get kids ready and will comment more later.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 31) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
My first impression of the Golem is yes I am very impressed. It seems her maker did a very fine job and she may be special because he added unique qualities - but I wonder if she can be dangerous somehow, especially being left in the world without her master. I think it is quite intriguing that she can feel what others do but it seems emotionally overwhelming for her and hopefully she can learn to manage this. I also think if she does this may be used as an advantage or a way to manipulate people.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
I kind of liked Otto's choices. These are traits I would value, but I don't know where this might lead. I would think the Golem's curiosity would lead to her learning a lot of things, but it may get her into trouble too.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
I think there is trouble ahead.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I think he is arrogant and trouble is ahead. He seems like a very special and powerful Jinni and I am sure he will stop at nothing to get rid of his iron shackles so he can return to his true form and gain back his powers.
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
I don't know the lifespan of a wizard, but over 1000 years is quite a long time. I would think somehow and somewhere there is a way to free the Jinni - even if the wizard is dead. Maybe the Golem or the Rabbi Eli have something to do with it.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I am waiting for the two entities to meet. I am completely hooked and want to find out what happens next. So far I do like the Golem' s story more.
Starting this tonight!
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 67) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this?
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
11) So Maryam is the one who gave Arbeely the Jinni flask. I wonder if we'll find out where she got it?
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving?
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
14) I like how the namings happened around the same time. The Jinni will be known as Ahmad and the Golem as Chava.
15) What did you think of the Rabbi's nephew, Michael Levy? I'm surprised he'd have such different beliefs than his uncle.
@Sarah1) Totally agree and feel the same as you. It will be interesting to see how the Golem acts later.
2) I'm curious to find out how his choices will work. I wonder if her not having a master will have any affect on her being different from other Golems? Perhaps her having free will will keep her from wanting power or going out of control. Of course, the opposite could happen also be true. She could end up seeing herself as better than everyone else and feel she deserves more. Or she could lash out trying to get all those wants, needs, and fears to stop. Reminds me of that Mel Gibson movie What Women Want. It has to be annoying and could drive you insane or you can use it to your advantage.
3) I'm hoping your wrong, but you're probably right. :)
4) That was my opinion too. I wonder how he can get rid of that shackle.
5) In a lot of stories when a witch or wizard dies many of their spells are broken. I can't help but wonder if the wizard somehow manage to break his bonds of mortality.
6) I have to say I kind of get a little disappointed when the Golem story takes a back seat to the Jinni's. I'm not as hooked to that story line yet. We'll see if that changes.
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Lisarenee wrote: "Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 3
1) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others fe..."
Lisarenee wrote: "Closest I could get to a glass Palace:
New York in 1900's:
Ellis Island:
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Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 3
1) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I like her, the fact she hear peoples thought unnerve me a little, but that could work. I like that she gave the little boy the food because she could tell he was hungry. The fact that she can feel what others feel good be good and a bad thing.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
Loyal, curious enough to make good decisions, strong, knowledgeable enough to do things on it own, and that it could speak and understand different languages. It should be a quick learner. I believe Otto choose wisely.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi? Not cause trouble but surprise yes.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
My first impression I dream of Jeannie. I do feel somewhat sorry. The cup he was in was an item that pass from generation to generation and sent with a family member who sat sail for America, and the family want them to have it as a remembrance of their family in the old country.
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
Many years has pass if not the wizard then maybe a family member could release him from his bond.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I am curious about what will happen to both of them.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 31) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I like that she is kind and compassionate. Helping the boy was, it seems, the only choice she had. I can’t imagine taking on others’ feelings…that would be way too overwhelming, especially when there’s really not much you can do about them. (This reminds me a bit of Man of Steel, when Clark Kent is a schoolboy and he’s overwhelmed by the inner voices of his classmates.)
She could have used her strength to physically overpower the food vendor, but she had the sense not to do that.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely? Choosing to make a Golem wasn’t wise, in my opinion, but giving her admirable traits was a good decision. I would want a Golem to do all my housecleaning, cooking and grocery shopping.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
Since she is so child-like, I imagine she will cause trouble.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I do feel sorry for him. I think for him, though, his captivity was but an instant and he didn’t feel the passage of all those years. The bottle got to the New York from the woman (restaurant owner?) who emigrated and her mother gave it to her as an heirloom.
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back? I think that he’s dead, unless he was somehow immortal. I predict the Jinni will somehow gain his powers back.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome? I like both stories, but the Jinni’s has more substance since the Golem is just a couple of days old. I think the Golem will be more troublesome; she has a lot to learn.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 6
7) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this?
Yes, I love how the writer describes the Golem's education. The Rabbi is almost acting as a father to the Golem.
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
I don't know if she wants one, but I think she needs a master. That's why she is "hearing" other peoples desires. She also describes being without a master is like being without an ancher. I have seen the movie and I remember feeling sorry for her, it's not that she didn't want to help people, but she was used by people when they realized she had to do when they gave her an order and they never just asked.
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
I don't think he read to much into it, but that it was a prophetic dream warning him he was about to take a wrong path and he interpreted it wrong. His reaction to the dream shows his arrogance, that he thinks he doesn't need help. If he only went to the rabbi or his teachers I think he would have understood more.
11) So Maryam is the one who gave Arbeely the Jinni flask. I wonder if we'll find out where she got it?
I think we will, I'm still thinking it's an heirloom and the meaning of the object has been lost for years.
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving?
I felt so sorry for him, the story almost had me crying. I think he is still possessed, but maybe the Jinni knows a solution. I think they will meet in the near future.
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
I think her knowledge of languages is part of her magic, she senses things about people.
14) I like how the namings happened around the same time. The Jinni will be known as Ahmad and the Golem as Chava.
Finally they have names, it makes them more real to me.I like the name Chava and it's appropriate, it's meaning according to babynamer
Meaning: Its source is a Hebrew expression meaning "Life."
Languages: This girl's name is used in Hebrew.
Narrative: Chava could also be interpreted to mean ''living being.'' (A correspondent points out its linguistic connection to the joyful Jewish blessing l'chaim -- ''To life!'')
However, some scholars cite an alternate source -- another Hebrew expression meaning ''serpent.''
That second meaning reminds us of the Book of Genesis in the Jewish scriptures. Chava (translated as Eve, Eva or Ava) is the first woman, mother to all humanity. Tempted by the advice of an evil serpent, she disobeys God by eating of the Tree of Knowledge. She convinces her husband Adam to follow suit, and God banishes them from the Garden of Eden.
Due to that ancient story, this name can evoke a complex of images -- ranging from revered mother to temptress to seeker of knowledge.
15) What did you think of the Rabbi's nephew, Michael Levy? I'm surprised he'd have such different beliefs than his uncle.
Yes I'm surprised about their difference in opinion, but I'm glad they do still respect each other. Also I can understand Michaels point of view, he feels that charity or caring for each other should include all, not just people with the same beliefs as you.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 7 - 916) Where you surprised that the Jinni decided to follow Sophia? Was his action predictable after all the "suffering" of the nonsense wedding?
17) Thoughts about Sophia? She looks resigned with her faith but her dreams say otherwise.
18) I'm wondering what darker books and what is the meaning of all the rabbi's research? The whole tiny golem and spider recount doesn't bode well.
19) The bread eating experience was a little TMI for my tastes. But watching the Golem using props and learning new thinks, like sewing is quite interesting, don't you think?
20) Sophia and the Jinni. That doesn't seem wise. Will he be back? Would they be caught?
21) What do you think about Fadwa's dream/vision with the Jinni?
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 67) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this?
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
I don't know if I got a little lost here but I felt like he was sent on a journey - a path - a test that he passed and then ancient sacred scripture fell into his lap. Like it was meant to be.
11) So Maryam is the one who gave Arbeely the Jinni flask. I wonder if we'll find out where she got it?
I thought it was handed down to her as a family heirloom. Maybe her ancestors are from the family that saw the glass castle.
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving?
I kept thinking Saleh's story ties in to the Jinni's somehow or at least he is possessed by a Jinn and that is what ails him. I am definitely interested in how his story plays out.
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
When she cooked all that food I thought "Why don't they have her bake for some extra money." And voila.
14) I like how the namings happened around the same time. The Jinni will be known as Ahmad and the Golem as Chava.
I just can't wait for these two to meet. I am most looking forward to seeing their relationship develop.
15) What did you think of the Rabbi's nephew, Michael Levy? I'm surprised he'd have such different beliefs than his uncle.
I really was liking his belief system - all religions have a common thread it seems of being good in the world - and religions can be so devisive - we are all human and aren't we all God's children. He seemed to see a broader picture of how we all should unite in treating each other in a humane way - that is should simply come from our human nature.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 31) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I must confess I didn't expect the Golem to be a girl when I first read the title. But I like it this way. I am impressed with her maker and with her, of course. It's really interesting how she can feel others desires and thoughts, but also scary.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
I think Otto's choices were pretty ok, as for my own Golem... loyalty, kindness, wisdom and humor.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
A bit of both maybe. She is so young and clueless. Must be hard to be a Golem without a master.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I don't dislike him even though he seems so arrogant and selfish. It's understandable when you that his kind are solitary and pretty powerful beings.
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
I think the wizard is long gone but there must be another way to gain his powers back.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I am hooked on both so far and I am really curious how the two will meet and what comes next. More troublesome... probably Jinni's since he seems so eager to explore the world.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 7 - 916) Where you surprised that the Jinni decided to follow Sophia? Was his action predictable after all the "suffering" of the nonsense wedding?
I was surprised he showed up on her balcony and then was successful in seducing her - so quickly. Like did they actually do it on that balcony - standing up? Wasn't she a virgin? This was one quickey - very strange. I thought maybe they had just kissed, but I think there was more alluded to.
17) Thoughts about Sophia? She looks resigned with her faith but her dreams say otherwise.
I think she feels trapped and resigned to her life that doesn't seem to bring her much happiness. She craves adventure and freedom. The Jinni provides her some mystery and adventure, as it does for the Jinni as well. He just seems bored and maybe horny?
18) I'm wondering what darker books and what is the meaning of all the rabbi's research? The whole tiny golem and spider recount doesn't bode well.
Yes - there is definitely something foreboding about our sweet Golem. I think there is great potential for her to become very destructive and the Rabbi is doing the right thing to prepare, but I think he might die and once again the Golem will be left to her own devices. I think these ancient scriptures the Rabbi is after is the same writings that the Golem' s maker had come across. It is like dark magic or something. The Golem kind of reminds me of like a voodoo doll.
19) The bread eating experience was a little TMI for my tastes. But watching the Golem using props and learning new thinks, like sewing is quite interesting, don't you think?
I thought her little poo poo was funny - but I am a nurse - these things don't phase me. And I was wondering if literally bread came out because she isn't human and maybe just the chewed up bread passed through her body without being digested.
20) Sophia and the Jinni. That doesn't seem wise. Will he be back? Would they be caught?
No comment - I have read ahead.
21) What do you think about Fadwa's dream/vision with the Jinni?
He has the ability to enter her dreams - that is what he did. I think this is all leading up to the wizard and his being captured.
Sorry everybody, but due to real life constraints today's section will have a delay. I'll post them around my 9/10 AM that is in 8 hours or so.Happy readings!
Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 31) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I liked her. She seems pretty complete for something that's made for a specific purpose. It's interesting that she seems to be able to pick who she wants to obey or help.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
Intelligence would be a plus for me. I think I'd grow terribly bored of having something just to command even though that's what they're made for. I'd probably add in kindness too.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
She'll probably end up causing a bit of trouble but I don't think she'll mean to.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I don't think he knew he was locked up that long though. He said one moment he was back in the desert and the next he was in the shop. His bottle was brought over on a boat, was a gift from a grandmother wasn't it?
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
Hrm. I suppose I thought maybe the man who made the Golem was the same wizard or a descendant.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I like both so far. I think Jinni will since Golem wants to please. Jinni has a bit of an ego going on.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 10 - 1222)What do you think Yehudah vision meant? That the Golem is the key to his research? Or that somehow part of Rotfeld's soul passed to Chava?
23)I wish we could learn more about Fadwa and the Jinni. Those little glimpses from the past are making me like Alice, curious and curious.
24)The Jinni and the Golem finally meet. Where you expected it would go that way? I was expecting that at least the Jinni knew what a Golem was. But I liked how they seem to recognize the other as not normal.
25)And what about the ice cream maker? He seemed to see the Jinni's true nature as well. I was intrigued by the fact that he could not stare at people's faces.
26) The Commands for the Golem envelope is safe and in Chava's hands. But I keep worrying with the changing masters formula bound to be found to someone else. Specially Yehudah . Too dangerous to be left unconcerned. I'm wondering if Chava can "activate" the destroy command herself.
27) It does seem that everybody around Chava is bound to an early dismiss. First her master. Then the Rabbi. Now Michael?
28) Each chapter makes Yehudah look darker and dangerous. I believe they could be "nicer" forms of distracting the health inspectors than curse and drive an innocent man crazy/sick.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 67) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this?
Yes, it's very good of him to be so patient with her, when it would be so easy to just destroy her and be done with it.
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
I haven't read or seen Ella the Enchanted. I haven't seen any indication that she wants a master.
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
It was an interesting backstory. I was curious how he knew how to build the golem.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
Hard to say. Dreams are just dreams, but I suppose they can foretell something, especially in the context of this book.
11) So Maryam is the one who gave Arbeely the Jinni flask. I wonder if we'll find out where she got it?
It was a family heirloom. Beginning of chapter 2 (p. 19 in hardcover): "The flask had been in Maryam's family as long as she could remember; her mother, who'd used it for olive oil, had given it to Maryam when she'd sailed to America. 'So you'll always have a piece of home with you,' her mother had said."
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving? This was bizarre. I want to say he had a stroke or some other rational explanation.
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
I said earlier I would want a golem who would cook, clean and grocery shop. That's what she's doing! :-) I was surprised she knew how to read.
14) I like how the namings happened around the same time. The Jinni will be known as Ahmad and the Golem as Chava.
15) What did you think of the Rabbi's nephew, Michael Levy? I'm surprised he'd have such different beliefs than his uncle.
I wonder if he's going to fall in love with Chava. Awkward.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 67) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this?
Seems like the best way to teach her to be a human is to learn about human behavior and beliefs. It's kinda like that Robot and Frank movie where he turns the robot into a friend.
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
She probably wants one now but I can't imagine she will shortly. Once she learns to control the thoughts she's better off without one. I think it would be a lot worse to have to obey but not want to.
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
I think he was a bit spiteful by the time he actually got the knowledge so that probably didn't help anything. He probably would have ended up with it anyway if he had stayed since everyone else seemed to like him.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
I think as far as being a religious leader goes you have to be fully into it or it's not fair to your congregation. Otherwise it's like a defense lawyer who believes that people are almost all guilty and rarely innocent.
11) So Maryam is the one who gave Arbeely the Jinni flask. I wonder if we'll find out where she got it?
I still thought it was from a grandmother. Maybe I mistook what flask that was. Or maybe she got it from the ice cream guy.
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving?
He doesn't seem to have other ailments though I suppose the actual issue he does have could be an issue caused by the posession and not left over damage. (http://www.spiritualhealers-sg.org/ji...) "Afreet—also spelled ifrit, efreet, ifreet, and afrit (Arabic: Ifrit:, pl Afarit:)—are supernatural creatures in Arabic and Islamic cultures. They are in a class of infernal Jinn, spirits below the level of angels, noted for their strength and cunning." I'm guessing there's going to be some sort of showdown between him and the Jinni.
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
Maybe it has to do with how they fulfill wishes so well. Hard to make things come true if you don't know how to do them. I think cooking's a great thing for her, it's mostly independent and baking happens with not a lot of others around.
14) I like how the namings happened around the same time. The Jinni will be known as Ahmad and the Golem as Chava.
I suppose they both got ready to go out at the same time so they needed names then. I'm not sure I would have named someone after my grandmother if I was trying to keep it a secret.
15) What did you think of the Rabbi's nephew, Michael Levy? I'm surprised he'd have such different beliefs than his uncle.
It seems like he's still doing a lot of good though. I think it's great that he's willing to stick up for what he believes. It's silly to fake believe when you don't.
I just started today because I was finishing up The Orphan Master's Son and wanted to give that my attention since it's a bit of a heavy read. I'm really enjoying this book so far and it's a nice change after OMS. I don't have a lot to add to what has been said so far, so I'll just list the questions I have comments for.Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 3
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
I do think eventually that there will be some kind of trouble. There seems to be a lot of foreshadowing in that direction.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I really like both stories so far and I can't wait to see where they intersect. It's hard to say who will be more troublesome, though I'd venture to say that the Jinni will be more troublesome willingly and that trouble caused by the Golem will be inadvertent in an attempt to help someone else.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 4 - 6
7) I like how the Rabbi, while cautious with the Golem, is willing to give her a chance and see how she behaves. I found it heartwarming that he's teaching her his religion and am enjoying how that leads to the two discussing beliefs and human behavior. Did you like how the author did this? It was a bit like watching a child become an adult, in a way, which leads to the next question
8)Do you think the Golem should have another master? Do you think she wants one? Can you imagine not having free will? Did anyone ever read or see Ella the Enchanted?
Sometimes free will can seem like a curse in a way because many times it is the need to make hard choices that makes being an adult so difficult, but the lack of a choice seems much worse to me when it comes to how an individual lives their life. Chava is different of course in that she wants to feel useful, but perhaps her choice to be or not be useful and when will make a difference in the story.
9) What did you think of the story of the Golem's creator, Yehudah? He found ancient texts with secrets handed down from Rabbi to Rabbi in a burnt synagogue? Knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.
I really found myself wondering when or if his story will be important again in what is happening in New York.
10)What were your thoughts of Yehudah's dream which made him decide to give up his dream of being a Rabbi? Do you think he reacted correctly or read too much into it?
My thought on this when it happened was that when characters lend credence to prophecy in whatever form that they then take actions that lead directly to making it come true. In other words, if he had paid no heed to the dream, he might have continued in his life, which according to the story was fine and upstanding, and become a great rabbi. Instead, he dwelled on it and followed a path that led him to the life of sin which the dream in some way "foretold". It was just a dream, but in placing such great importance upon it, he made it prophetic. It seems like choices might be very important in this book.
12) What did you think of Saleh's story? Is he partially possessed by an Ifrit or did it damaged him before leaving?
I felt so badly for him and I found myself hoping that the Jinni could free him or heal him.
13) I liked how the Golem took up cooking. I laughed at all she cooked. She seems pretty smart and self sufficient. I also like how she knows so many languages. I wonder if she soaks up information from other people's brains like she does their fears and desires?
I really liked the baking because of both her need to fulfill people's desires and her loneliness. Sharing food and particularly bread with others is often representative of fellowship and hunger is one of our most basic needs, so in a way, baking seems like the most natural, useful thing she can do to help both others and herself.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 7 - 916) Where you surprised that the Jinni decided to follow Sophia? Was his action predictable after all the "suffering" of the nonsense wedding?
I wasn't surprised, but I didn't really predict it. I thought he'd might want a little more excitement than what he had experienced thus far.
17) Thoughts about Sophia? She looks resigned with her faith but her dreams say otherwise.
She reminds me of Rose in Titanic. She has to make a good marriage that has nothing to do with love due to her family's position, but she craves adventure and the jinni offers that to her.
18) yes, the golem and spider story was a bit bizarre. I think, however, that Chava was intentionally created to rise above the baser instinct to destroy.
19) The bread eating experience was a little TMI for my tastes. But watching the Golem using props and learning new thinks, like sewing is quite interesting, don't you think? I thought it was kind of funny. I like that she can do anything she sets her mind to. Really opens up a lot of career options for her.
20) Sophia and the Jinni. That doesn't seem wise. Will he be back? Would they be caught?
Nope, not wise. I do think he'll be back and that they'll be caught, a la Rose and Jack.
21) What do you think about Fadwa's dream/vision with the Jinni?
The jinni entered her dreams. He told the tinmaker that he could do that, once upon a time.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 10 - 1222)What do you think Yehudah vision meant? That the Golem is the key to his research? Or that somehow part of Rotfeld's soul passed to Chava?
My impression was that he realized Rotfeld is dead, the golem lives, and he wants to claim mastery over her.
23)I wish we could learn more about Fadwa and the Jinni. Those little glimpses from the past are making me like Alice, curious and curious.
I also want to learn more. I wonder if there is a parallel between Fadwa and Sophia.
24)The Jinni and the Golem finally meet. Where you expected it would go that way? I was expecting that at least the Jinni knew what a Golem was. But I liked how they seem to recognize the other as not normal.
I liked how they found each other and recognized that each was different. It's a bit of a respite for them, I would think.
25)And what about the ice cream maker? He seemed to see the Jinni's true nature as well. I was intrigued by the fact that he could not stare at people's faces.
Yes, that is interesting. Is it because his malady stemmed from looking a sick child in the eyes? He definitely has a sixth sense.
26) The Commands for the Golem envelope is safe and in Chava's hands. But I keep worrying with the changing masters formula bound to be found to someone else. Specially Yehudah . Too dangerous to be left unconcerned. I'm wondering if Chava can "activate" the destroy command herself.
I wonder the same thing, and I think that Yeshuda is after the commands.
27) It does seem that everybody around Chava is bound to an early dismiss. First her master. Then the Rabbi. Now Michael? Were all three sickly before meeting Chava?
28) Each chapter makes Yehudah look darker and dangerous. I believe they could be "nicer" forms of distracting the health inspectors than curse and drive an innocent man crazy/sick.
I agree. He is bad news.
Becca wrote: "I just started today because I was finishing up The Orphan Master's Son and wanted to give that my attention since it's a bit of a heavy read. I'm really enjoying this book so far and it's a nice c..."Becca, I wholeheartedly agree. OMS was so tragic and disturbing. I still can't stop thinking about it.
Getting back to The Orphan Master's Son, put on hold for this one and The Graveyard Book. I have been the biggest advocate for the Pulitzer winner and got it nominated for a BOM finally in another group and a buddy read on here but have had the hardest time delving in to it - I think it really just scares the crap out of me, and I read intense books all the time.
I'm a little late with this book as I'm listening to the audio and it seems I have less time to listen nowadays.1) What is your first impression of the Golem? Are you impressed? Did you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I really like this character so far, but I rather sorry for her than impressed. She was created because of her master's frustration and loneliness, given a lot of feature that make her vulnarable to the world and finally she is left alone, to take care of herself. I love that she is curious, compassionate and ready to help, but as it turns out, she may be rather in trouble than in awe for her good natured actions.
2) If you were to make a Golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
I think it was cruel to give such creature so much consciousness and compassion.
3) Do you think the Golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
I hope she will rather surprise him in a positive manner and when taught, she will become a great asset to his lonely life.
4) What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him? I can't imagine being locked up for so long. I don't care what your life span is I'm surprised he didn't go insane. I wonder how his bottle ended up in New York?
I think the Jinni is a gripping character, and in a different way than the Golem, although the two are somehow trapped in this world against their will. I cannot imagine being trapped that way, and most probably for a very long time. I wonder how it happened and hope we find out more in the next chapters
5) Do you think the wizard who locked the Jinni in the bottle and human form is still around or do you think the Jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the Jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
I honestly don't have any idea, and hope to learn more in the next parts of the story.
6) Which story do you find more compelling--the Golem's or the Jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest? Who do you think, of the two, will prove to be more troublesome?
I like both stories, each a little bit different, but still gripping.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 13 - 15 29) I like the contrasts presented between the Jinni and the Golem--Male/Female--Hot/Cold--Trapped/Free--Arrogant/Meek--Old/Young... I think these two will become great friends. What's your opinion?
30) So the Rabbi taught Chava about the Jewish religion and now Arbeely is teaching the Jinni about Christ. Interesting. These two still seem to be a pair of matched opposites to me. What do you think? Could that be what the author is trying to do here? Could he be using the religions to symbolize they are different yet they stem from a common place? Is anyone else getting the impression this book will have an underlying lesson or message to it?
31) Yehudah sees his dream as a means to gain immortality. Any idea as to how? I can't help but think that the binding spell the Rabbi created to a new master which he altered to require Chava's permission will somehow play an important roll later. I have to admit I'm wondering if there will be a happy ending or not with this one. Things could go very wrong or very right from this point.
32) Do you like the switching between the Jinni's past and present? I can't help but think that Fadwa is somehow the key to his internment and enslavement. I just can't figure out how. Any ideas? Could she have helped in capturing him?
33) Once again Chava surprises us with her wisdom--“But I think, sometimes men want what they don’t have because they don’t have it. Even if everyone offered to share, they would only want the share that wasn’t theirs.” Could this be foreshadowing of something to come?
34) Anyone else curious as to who the woman Yehudah once loved was and what happened to her? I got this crazy awful feeling/image that that grave he dug up may have something to do with Chava's creation. Could it also have something to do with the woman Yehudah talked of????
Questions and Comments for Chapters 13 - 1529) I like the contrasts presented between the Jinni and the Golem--Male/Female--Hot/Cold--Trapped/Free--Arrogant/Meek--Old/Young... I think these two will become great friends. What's your opinion?
I agree and think they can be good friends. They do complement each other well, and can learn from each other.
30) So the Rabbi taught Chava about the Jewish religion and now Arbeely is teaching the Jinni about Christ. Interesting. These two still seem to be a pair of matched opposites to me. What do you think? Could that be what the author is trying to do here? Could he be using the religions to symbolize they are different yet they stem from a common place? Is anyone else getting the impression this book will have an underlying lesson or message to it?
Yes, and we also have Michael who does not believe in God, so there is a balanced religious point of view.
31) Yehudah sees his dream as a means to gain immortality. Any idea as to how? I can't help but think that the binding spell the Rabbi created to a new master which he altered to require Chava's permission will somehow play an important roll later. I have to admit I'm wondering if there will be a happy ending or not with this one. Things could go very wrong or very right from this point.
I do believe Yehudah has bad intentions, or at least intentions that will only serve his purpose. I think things will get very bad before they get better, but ultimately I am hoping for a happy ending.
32) Do you like the switching between the Jinni's past and present? I can't help but think that Fadwa is somehow the key to his internment and enslavement. I just can't figure out how. Any ideas? Could she have helped in capturing him?
She doesn't seem the type that would deliberately want to capture and enslave him, however I suspect you are right that she is a means to that end somehow. Perhaps her betrothed is the wizard?
33) Once again Chava surprises us with her wisdom--“But I think, sometimes men want what they don’t have because they don’t have it. Even if everyone offered to share, they would only want the share that wasn’t theirs.” Could this be foreshadowing of something to come?
Yes, definitely, and perhaps Yehuda will regret that he created her to be so intelligent.
34) Anyone else curious as to who the woman Yehudah once loved was and what happened to her? I got this crazy awful feeling/image that that grave he dug up may have something to do with Chava's creation. Could it also have something to do with the woman Yehudah talked of????
I never put that together, but now that you mention it, it really does make sense. Chava could have her fingernails! (ugh)
Questions and Comments for Chapters 7 - 916) Where you surprised that the Jinni decided to follow Sophia? Was his action predictable after all the "suffering" of the nonsense wedding?
I think he's had a lot of years of doing whatever he wants and not doing something he wants is foreign to him.
17) Thoughts about Sophia? She looks resigned with her faith but her dreams say otherwise.
I'm guessing this was a common fate among people with arranged marriages. If you're not willing to go against your family and give up any wealth (which is hard if you have no other skills) then it's hard to get out of.
18) I'm wondering what darker books and what is the meaning of all the rabbi's research? The whole tiny golem and spider recount doesn't bode well.
She is a special one though it seems. Plus she's not tied to a master. Maybe if she gets tied to a master is when things turn bad.
19) The bread eating experience was a little TMI for my tastes. But watching the Golem using props and learning new thinks, like sewing is quite interesting, don't you think?
Yeah, the bread thing was pretty gross. I'm surprised she doesn't try to sew as a second profession to spend the time.
20) Sophia and the Jinni. That doesn't seem wise. Will he be back? Would they be caught?
If he keeps leaving holes in the bars he'll get caught. Once is an anomaly but if it keeps happening I'm sure the family will catch on.
21) What do you think about Fadwa's dream/vision with the Jinni?
Seems like he was lonely. Maybe that will tie in to how he can learn to live in a populated environment.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 7 - 9
16) Where you surprised that the Jinni decided to follow Sophia? Was his action predictable after all the "suffering" of the nonsense wedding?
I wasn't surprised he followed Sophia. But I don't think that had anything to do with the wedding. He needed an escape from the crowd at the wedding and went to the park. I think when he met Sophia in Central Park he just had to have her.
17) Thoughts about Sophia? She looks resigned with her faith but her dreams say otherwise.
I think she is just as much a prisoner as the Jinni is. I think it's understandable her dreams are of escape and making her own choices.
18) I'm wondering what darker books and what is the meaning of all the rabbi's research? The whole tiny golem and spider recount doesn't bode well.
I think the rabbi's is looking for books like the ones Yehuda stole from the burned synagogue. He's looking for more information about Golems, but I don't think he wants to destroy the Golem he feels responsible for her and I think he wants to help her have a life.
19) The bread eating experience was a little TMI for my tastes. But watching the Golem using props and learning new thinks, like sewing is quite interesting, don't you think?
Well I had to admit I was curious about the eating thing, because she would have to sometimes to keep her cover. I like the way she keeps finding things to do to fill her time, but also learn things.
20) Sophia and the Jinni. That doesn't seem wise. Will he be back? Would they be caught?
I'm not sure he will be back, it seems like there was distance after their second meeting.
21) What do you think about Fadwa's dream/vision with the Jinni?
He has a curious personality, I think he wants to know how people live and didn't get enough information by just observing. Also he may be a little lonely.
Questions for Ch 1-31. What are your first impressions of the golem? Are you impressed? Do you like how she tried to help the boy? Do you like that she can feel what others feel?
I am fascinated by the idea of a stone woman being made real. I am determined to find out a bit more about them from Wikipedia or something. I liked her and was impressed how she seemed to have this protective instinct. I think the fact that she can feel what others can feel could get her in trouble and she might hear things she doesn't want to. I'd hate that!
2. If you were to make a golem, what traits would you want in it? Did Otto, her master, choose wisely?
I thought he did choose very wisely. It was good that he picked intelligence as she would soon get boring if he couldn't have had a conversation with her. I think I would want the same, but I can't imagine a scenario where I would want a golem in the first place!
3. Do you think the golem will cause trouble or surprise the Rabbi?
I don't think she is a mischief maker but she could cause him trouble just by being there. It seems at the moment that she will be good company for him as he seems really lonely.
4. What is your first impression of the Jinni? Do you feel sorry for him?
I don't think I feel sorry for him yet. I don't think I have bonded with him yet as a character unlike the golem. It's an intriguing idea but I guess that bit of the story feels more like a fairy story.
5. Do you think that the wizard who locked the jinni in the bottle in human form is still around or do you think the jinni is right and he's dead? Do you think the jinni will be stuck as a human forever or will he gain his powers back?
I reckon the wizard must be dead as it was so long ago....although you never can tell with wizards! I think the story could be about his quest to get his powers back?
6. Which story do you find more compelling - the golem's or the jinni's or are you hooked on both? Has the author managed to capture your interest?
I am definitely more hooked on the golem story at the moment. I will keep reading but I can't say I'm fully hooked yet.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 16 - 1735) Do you like the way Chava is starting to gain confidence and have a personality? I love the walks she and the Jinni take. It gives us a nice insight into her growth. I'm also beginning to see how these two are alike. Does it bother anyone that she's staying true to her original master's template?
36) What do you think of the Jinni's God theory? What about Chava's?
37) The incident with Arbeely and the tin ceiling seems to emphasize how the Jinni never had to consider anyone else's opinions or fears. He's very impulsive. I think this part of the story shows the Jinni's growth. What struck you the most about this part of the story?
38) I keep wondering if Sophia's going to end up pregnant. I wonder if a human and Jinni can produce offspring? The Rabbi's words keep going through my mind about consequences. Plus, the talk Chava and the Jinni about how he doesn't take into consideration what happens to anyone but himself seems like a forewarning.
39) I feel for Saleh. Can you imagine seeing the world so distortedly? I wonder why the Jinni couldn't remove the spark? Would he have caused more damage if he'd tried?
40) I like how Chava seems to have a knowledge of the earth. She knew the shoot was there.
41) So the ceiling is a map of where the Jinni used to live? Any ideas as to why the palace isn't there? I wonder what it signifies?
42) I wonder what would happen if Chava hurt someone? Is that what the Rabbi and everyone who thought ill of golems were talking about? Do they go beserk or something? Any theories?
P.S. Thought Sonia was going to post questions last night, but she may have had a migraine. Sorry for being so late. I will try to get us up to date tonight with today's questions.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 10 - 12
22)What do you think Yehudah vision meant? That the Golem is the key to his research? Or that somehow part of Rotfeld's soul passed to Chava?
I don't think it's part of Rotfeld's soul, but she is somehow connected to him through the spell he cast to animate her.
23)I wish we could learn more about Fadwa and the Jinni. Those little glimpses from the past are making me like Alice, curious and curious.
Me too. I think this story has to do with how the Jinni got in the bottle.
24)The Jinni and the Golem finally meet. Where you expected it would go that way? I was expecting that at least the Jinni knew what a Golem was. But I liked how they seem to recognize the other as not normal.
No I wasn't expecting this. But I think it came at a good time in the story, after the death of the rabbi Chava needs something to ground her and meeting the Jinni had that effect on her. It got her out of the negative spiral she was in.
25)And what about the ice cream maker? He seemed to see the Jinni's true nature as well. I was intrigued by the fact that he could not stare at people's faces.
I suspect the ice cream maker is possessed by a less powerfull Jinni and that's why he can "see" the Jinni.
26) The Commands for the Golem envelope is safe and in Chava's hands. But I keep worrying with the changing masters formula bound to be found to someone else. Specially Yehudah . Too dangerous to be left unconcerned. I'm wondering if Chava can "activate" the destroy command herself.
27) It does seem that everybody around Chava is bound to an early dismiss. First her master. Then the Rabbi. Now Michael?
Yes, but they were already sick and dying before they met Chava, maybe except for Michael. I don't think their deaths or ilnesses have anything to do with Chava.
28) Each chapter makes Yehudah look darker and dangerous. I believe they could be "nicer" forms of distracting the health inspectors than curse and drive an innocent man crazy/sick.
He is a horrible man and only after one thing, eternal life. He doesn't care about others only about what he wants.
Questions and Comments for Chapters 18 - 2043) So Schaalman found Chava and thought she'd been destroyed. So this means she was not what drove him to New York. I may need to revisit that dream. After reading this section, I think the Jinni may be what is drawing him, but as to why I haven't a clue.
44) I truly liked the dance hall scene until Chava went all golem on Irving. I think she and the Jinni truly bonded. The trance she went into was scary. I'm surprised the Jinni was able to stop her and bring her out. Do you think Anna will say anything?
45) What did you think of Chava's reaction to the fight? Can you believe she decided to marry Michael? I can't see that working. Can you. Can you understand the logic behind what she did? I surely can't. I think for once she's shown poor judgement.
46) Interesting that after what happened to Chava we segue back to Fadwa. Does the Jinni see a bit of himself within Chava? Is that why she fascinates him? Is he remembering Fadwa with these memories or are we being fed pieces of his past by the author?
47) Can I just say I really don't like Schaalman? He's so creepy. I wonder what his story is? Did we get the full picture or is there still something we don't know about him?
48) Sophia did get pregnant and miscarry. I wonder if it is possible for a human to carry a Jinni's baby to full term? I wonder if she can recover?
49) How ironic that Schaalman would lead Chava down the isle. He seems to like having secrets. I wonder when his secret will come out?
Be prepared for spoilers!
Synopsis:
Chava is a golem, a creature made of clay, brought to life by a disgraced rabbi who dabbles in dark Kabbalistic magic. When her master, the husband who commissioned her, dies at sea on the voyage from Poland, she is unmoored and adrift as the ship arrives in New York in 1899.
Ahmad is a djinni, a being of fire, born in the ancient Syrian desert. Trapped in an old copper flask by a Bedouin wizard centuries ago, he is released accidentally by a tinsmith in a Lower Manhattan shop. Though he is no longer imprisoned, Ahmad is not entirely free – an unbreakable band of iron binds him to the physical world.
The Golem & The Djinni is their magical, unforgettable story; unlikely friends whose tenuous attachment challenges their opposing natures – until the night a terrifying incident drives them back into their separate worlds. But a powerful threat will soon bring Chava and Ahmad together again, challenging their existence and forcing them to make a fateful choice.