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Debbie R, I understand the meaning you give to your shelves. In my GR wishlist shelves were the books I was going to purchase/read soon but which I have not gotten my hands on yet! We have used our shelves differently. I think I will put in the BL WISHLIST shelf the books I have already purchased and will be reading soon, the ones I previously had as exclusive shelves entitled "own-unlistened" and "own-unread".Is it possible to rename the BL wishlist? If I can I will name it VERY SOON! Even if I cannot name it that is how I will use it. All this year I have been reading books I own, and I am practically done! I have given up on buying books in advance since my taste changes. I will leave my wishlists to be used as books from which I buy.
Your idea helped me figure out my own solution. Thanks.
D.G. wrote: "Chrissie wrote: "I have a favorites shelf at GR. How do I get all the books on my GR favorite shelf over to the BL favorite shelf? "HOW to do it:
- Go to your shelf in BL
- Change the view to table view
- Select the books you want to add to your favorite shelf
- Click "add to shelves", select the favorite shelf and click close
Your books should appear on your favorite shelf.
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I will do as you instructed! Very clear. Thank you.
D.G. wrote: "BL is working on Exclusive Shelves but they don't have them yet."After import, is it correct that in BL the only exclusive shelves are "planning to read" and "read" and "currently reading". Together they will equal the sum of all your books?
After import, is it correct that books in the BL Favorites shelf are also in your BL "Read" shelf?
After import, is it correct that books in the BL "Wishlist" are also in your BL "plan to read" shelf?
I am not going to make changes until I am sure I have understood correctly.
Thanks for your help, all of you!!!!
Gah, my shelves came through all screwy. I expect the problem may have been at the source however.
Chrissie wrote: "D.G. wrote: "BL is working on Exclusive Shelves but they don't have them yet."After import, is it correct that in BL the only exclusive shelves are "planning to read" and "read". Together they wi..."
Currently yes that is correct; however, they are adding the ability to mark additional shelves exclusive. When, I'm not sure but new stuff releases every Thursday.
I've had to mark my "not for me" shelf books private so they would not clog up my planned to reads.
(*sigh* I almost made it thru editing 2 of 150 screens of imported books today. So tired of seeing "Die therapie" and blank green covers. Not sure it's worth a month of my time to fix. Would help if I could see shelf names on the import page; durned if I want to be bothered editing things that were on my "not for me" or "sampled disliked" shelves.)
Debbie R. - Why still no site-wide announcement of new shelf name and review policies? - wrote: "I've had to mark my "not for me" shelf books private so they would not clog up my planned to reads."
I don't understand. If you put your "not-for-me" books also on the shelf "private" don't they still make up a part of your "plan to read" books? Please explain how books classified as "private" work. Are they only visible to you?
Bunny, mine too! You are not alone. Everything is a huge mess.
Debbie R. - Why still no site-wide announcement of new shelf name and review policies? - wrote: "Are we allowed to use bookcovers from goodreads to add to bl? An awful lot of them are user added from personal scans vs. the publisher data feeds.I expect bl is using same Ingram/onix and publi..."
I've been doing like GR had us do when Amazon pulled their feed... finding the book cover on a site other than Amazon (and Goodreads) and uploading that. I can usually find an author blog. I don't have any hard copies of everything -- I'm totally electronic -- so I don't run into issues with things that don't exist SOMEWHERE. If I did, I'd grab Goodreads' copy because I'd be pretty sure they didn't get it from a feed and someone had to put it there.
ok, I emailed the BL folks about the strange German cover that was on all my books and they sent me an email saying:Hi.
Is it still an issue? We've done some import updates so it should be much better now.
Kate
Yes! It's fixed!!!
Sunny☼ wrote: "No, not your blog. You must be in Dashboard, then to shelf..Use Dashboard's shelf not your blog shelf.Hit Dashboard, then on the toolbar at the top third word down is shelf. Use that one. Afte..."
You are so awesome. Table view is great.
Debbie R. - Why still no site-wide announcement of new shelf name and review policies? - wrote: "Are we allowed to use bookcovers from goodreads to add to bl? "Absolutely. These covers do not belong to Goodreads in any sense.
Heather in FL {GRRRRRR censorship} wrote: "I've been doing like GR had us do when Amazon pulled their feed... finding the book cover on a site other than Amazon (and Goodreads) and uploading that."I really, really don't think that is necessary. Book covers belong to the publisher, who wants the cover out there. And even if they didn't, it would be fair use to use a book cover in a review.
Amazon at least had their own little envelope outside the book cover to claim they had some copyright - though I still think it would be fair use.
(not legal advice)
Debbie R. - Why still no site-wide announcement of new shelf name and review policies? - wrote: "Chrissie wrote: "(*sigh* I almost made it thru editing 2 of 150 screens of imported books today. So tired of seeing "Die therapie" and blank green covers. Not sure it's worth a month of my time to fix. Would help if I could see shelf names on the import page; durned if I want to be bothered editing things that were on my "not for me" or "sampled disliked" shelves.) "Please wait a bit - a lot of that gets corrected, even after BL says your import is complete.
Chrissie wrote: "I don't understand. If you put your "not-for-me" books also on the shelf "private" don't they still make up a part of your "plan to read" books? Please explain how books classified as "private" work. Are they only visible to you? ..."Yes, only visible to me so that someone coming to my blog, clicking "shelf" to see what bookcovers show to tell if we have similar reading tastes are seeing books I read or are planning to read. Instead of bookcovers from books I had marked as either not wanting to read, as try a sample to see, read and hated, etc. the very books I wanted to make sure to avoid showing on the first page of my blog was just wrong.
Charming wrote: "Absolutely. These covers do not belong to Goodreads in any sense...."If bookcovers came from a publisher or author website, those are where you need to get them. It's not about the copyright (in fact, part of the copyright issue unless graphics sold as open stock will still belong to the cover artist). Yes, copyright laws allow for images of products for sale to the public.
Using data, including images and user provided images, from a website ( commercial or not) depends on that site's permissions. When a user uploads a personal scan of a bookcover, they are granting (by goodreads TOS) goodreads permission to use but it is still that user's content (once upon a time so were member's shelves and reviews). You will need to be a goodreads librarian to look at the change-log to see who added the image and contact that member for permission to use outside of goodreads. To use non-member provided images goodreads sourced from data feeds, publisher sites, author sites, etc. -- well, you or the company booklikes do have to get goodreads' permission to use their site's data.
Copyright is to cover artist and authors (or their authorized agents/publishers/trusts), as a retail product you can post the images anyway, but every site makes its own rules whether or not you can use data obtained from their site. Most choose to do a flipped corner or other overlay to make the source clear but the absence of that does not equal permission to use.
Project Gutenberg and Worldcat.org make their data publicly available. Product manufacturers, product publishers, authors of products -- those sites imply permission.
Screenshots of your ebook covers you can upload at will, also can upload photos or scans of products you own (do not need to put any copyright or source info so long as not faking copyright ownership).
It's possible amazon has granted booklikes permission to use images and data from goodreads. I don't know. If so, I don't know if they or amazon will pull that permission away and force booklikes to remove any data obtained even if obtained while they had permission.
Amazon has a reputation for doing so. Their usual method seems to be to let a perceived competitor (or a site showing purchase links for a competitor) use the data for a while, then to get the data removed leaving worse of a mess than before site used.
I'd rather not risk getting booklikes/goodreads/amazon legal hassles unless booklikes states specifically that goodreads has granted permission. Even then, I'd use any other source first because of the amount of trust I have that amazon will allow permissions to stay in place or not try to pull back data later as they change their minds/tos.
There's a reason goodreads allows cover adding only from certain sites who grant permission. And a way to tell which site an image came from which is how goodreads winds up revoking a lot of book cover adds.
I'm sure it gets done all the time. I mean, entire copyrighted books get uploaded without permission to torrent sites completely against copyright.I've added a lot of ebook covers to goodreads from screenshots of my owned ebooks. If I need to add to booklikes, I take another screenshot and upload it. I don't copy the image from goodreads, even though I added.
No reason to risk booklikes getting into some legal tangle over using another site's data without permission.
Particularly on an extremely rare book that very few sites have a bookcover image and the images they do have are clearly a scan/photo of some random user's personal copy. Those are easy to spot.
For mainstream, not rare books it's not that hard to find the bookcovers on publisher or author pages so why bother risking any legal hurdles?
Paperback swap expressly prohibits anyone from using their site images and have taken legal action before. (tiny, poor quality things that they are; I spent a lot of librarian hours removing from goodreads even if it meant there was no cover for book.)
I skimmed through the posts, but couldn't locate a post with the problem I'm having. I just imported this afternoon, and the import went quickly, except for the covers. Is there also a problem with not all shelves having a "table view"? Will this go away? I want to fix some shelf names, and put some books private, but not all of my shelves will display in "table view". I just get a blank page between the header and footer. Anybody else seeing this? (sorry for such a circular description.)
Debbie R. - Why still no site-wide announcement of new shelf name and review policies? - wrote: "Chrissie wrote: "I don't understand. If you put your "not-for-me" books also on the shelf "private" don't they still make up a part of your "plan to read" books? Please explain how books classified..."So all the books on your "not-for -me" shelf books you have also put on your private shelf, right? In doing this people looking at your shelves will see only what you really like! That is a fantastic idea!
I expect bl is using same Ingram/onix and publisher feeds as everyone else and will already have publisher site bookcovers, so I'm not sure missing book cover images can be added from here (an exception of course if you were the one adding your personal images to the goodreads record)