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message 1: by ehk2 (last edited Sep 27, 2013 05:33PM) (new)

ehk2 | 19 comments Is there any specific code of practice for librarians? I think we should all try to add more info for book editions, but recently I see a librarian who deletes translator infos from book on a consistent base

Infos had been correct. (I asked him the reason, but he says no reason). Is there any sanction against'malpractice'? Or should I constantly watch his edits and amend them?


Elizabeth (Alaska) It's probably better to email support@goodreads.com rather than post about a specific user here.


message 3: by Robert (last edited Sep 27, 2013 10:49AM) (new)

Robert Wright (rhwright) | 30 comments I concur.

If you have not been able to resolve the issue through direct contact, email support rather than posting user info here.

The only possible reason I can think for thinking to do this is if the author role was not properly set for the translator. But even then, I'd tend to add the role rather than delete the "author." And when in doubt, just leave it alone.


message 4: by Banjomike (last edited Sep 27, 2013 11:04AM) (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments None of the edits are recent so you have enough time to simply email details of the person and your suspicions to support.

You should also remove the link to his page from your first post but contact support. 'No reason' is not allowed.

EDIT: generally, I would contact support anyway in cases like this. If what someone is doing looks odd then the chances are pretty good that support will want to know about it. It might be OK but then again...


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ehk2 | 19 comments ok. thanks for replies.


message 6: by Sarah (new)

Sarah LaFleur (lafleurdeplume) | 9 comments I'm a recently added author and for some reason there is a dummy page for my book with my last name spelled incorrectly. The page I set up is also there, but I don't want friends/fans to get confused. Is it possible to have the incorrect one removed?

Who Is Evelyn Dae? is the title of the book. The correct page is listed under Sarah LaFleur, the INCORRECT one is under LaFluer.

Thanks so much :)


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Sarah wrote: "I'm a recently added author and for some reason there is a dummy page for my book with my last name spelled incorrectly. The page I set up is also there, but I don't want friends/fans to get confu..."

It's removed.


message 8: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "It's removed. "

What did you do to fix the problem?


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Banjomike wrote: "Danija wrote: "It's removed. "

What did you do to fix the problem?"


I deleted the book. It had no reviews or ratings, nothing, so I was able to do it.


message 10: by Sarah (new)

Sarah LaFleur (lafleurdeplume) | 9 comments Excellent! Thanks so much for the quick response.


message 11: by Banjomike (last edited Oct 05, 2013 12:02PM) (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "Banjomike wrote: "Danija wrote: "It's removed. "

What did you do to fix the problem?"

I deleted the book. It had no reviews or ratings, nothing, so I was able to do it."


Someone had added it to his 2013 reading challange. He has now lost that book and his record of reading it. It should not have been deleted.

Edit: it is quite likely that you have also deleted a potential review.


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Banjomike wrote: "Danija wrote: "Banjomike wrote: "Danija wrote: "It's removed. "

What did you do to fix the problem?"

I deleted the book. It had no reviews or ratings, nothing, so I was able to do it."

Someone h..."


There were no reviews. There was only one person who marked it as to-read, and I checked - that same person marked the book the author wanted to keep as to-read, too. I wouldn't have touched it if there was anything on the page.


Karma♥Bites ^.~ (karma_bites) | 947 comments Yes, to be safe (especially w/ delay due to caching), I've always combined editions and then delete the dup/blank. :(


message 14: by Banjomike (last edited Oct 05, 2013 12:19PM) (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "There were no reviews. There was only one person who marked it as to-read, and I checked - that same person marked the book the author wanted to keep as to-read, too. I wouldn't have touched it if there was anything on the page. "

As Karma says, combine the editions then delete the one that is to be removed. AFTER you have confirmed that it is not a 'genuine' book. When book records are created in this way it is nearly always by someone who owns the book. They usually have a good reason for adding it. There was evidence that the book existed.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...

EDIT: Plan 'B' would be to combine the duff author profile into the genuine author profile which retains ALL data.


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments How can I combine two same books if the author is not the same? LaFleur and LaFluer is not the same. But I would really like to know how to do that. I need it for another book.
As for this particular book, I assume that the person who added it is the person listed under Title source. Well he rated and reviewed the correct book. I checked that, too. But, I apologize. I was just trying to help the author. I promise you, I won't do that again.


message 16: by Karma♥Bites ^.~ (last edited Oct 05, 2013 12:39PM) (new)

Karma♥Bites ^.~ (karma_bites) | 947 comments Danija wrote: "How can I combine two same books if the author is not the same? LaFleur and LaFluer is not the same. ..."

If just one book, the easiest/fastest fix is to correct the typo in the author name field. Once fixed, then all editions will appear for combine.

If more than one book, the easiest/fastest fix is to correct the typo from the incorrect author profile page. Usually, it's unclaimed so able to edit. But if claimed, then need to post in proper thread here for GR staff to fix.


ETA: Sorry, just saw Banjomike's EDIT. What she said. ;-)


message 17: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "ow can I combine two same books if the author is not the same? LaFleur and LaFluer is not the same. But I would really like to know how to do that. I need it for another book.
As for this particular book, I assume that the person who added it is the person listed under Title source. Well he rated and reviewed the correct book. I checked that, too. But, I apologize. I was just trying to help the author. I promise you, I won't do that again.
"


The Librarian Manual is a good place to start.

Whatever Carl did with the other edition is not relevant since the one you deleted was the one in his 2013 reading challenge as I said above. If you look in his reading challenge you will see that the title you deleted is not there. He moved his review to the other edition but did not update his reading challenge. He is a book down in his proress. You could be friendly and PM him so he can add the other edition and keep his score correct.

I would suggest you post the 'other book' you refer to here before deleting it. You don't help an author by possibly removing a reader/reviewer. We have all seen what removing reviews can cause.


message 18: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments On Karma's post, if one author is a Goodreads Author then the safest thing to do is post a combine request in the relevant thread for the staff to fix.


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Karma♥Bites~Bookin’ Freely wrote: "Danija wrote: "How can I combine two same books if the author is not the same? LaFleur and LaFluer is not the same. ..."

If just one book, the easiest/fastest fix is to correct the typo in the aut..."


The author is, unfortunately, dead. And there is no typo. Two different profiles with different books, except the one. The interesting thing is that when I search for the author, only books from one profile appear. When I search for the book, that's when two appear.
And, no, I wasn't going to the delete any of these books - these actually have ratings.
But, here, combine them: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
And I will let Carl know of my transgression.


message 20: by Banjomike (last edited Oct 05, 2013 01:16PM) (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "The author is, unfortunately, dead. And there is no typo. Two different profiles with different books, except the one. The interesting thing is that when I search for the author, only books from one profile appear. When I search for the book, that's when two appear.
And, no, I wasn't going to the delete any of these books - these actually have ratings.
But, here, combine them: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
And I will let Carl know of my transgression. "


There is another version of that author.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

Someone else has combined the books.


☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Banjomike wrote: "There is another version of that author.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...
"


That is an odd and completely incorrect spelling, like someone's keyboard went crazy. Don't shoot me when I say this, but can that profile be deleted since it's only added to one book as an additional author?

I see the author profiles were merged and the books combined. Thanks to whoever did it.

I've sent a message to Carl and informed him about his book.


message 22: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "That is an odd and completely incorrect spelling, like someone's keyboard went crazy. Don't shoot me when I say this, but can that profile be deleted since it's only added to one book as an additional author?

Bang! We don't delete them, we combine them with the correct version of the author's profile. That way all the books, quotes, fans, followers, and stuff get moved over. You need to treat deleting as a last resort.

That type of weird spelling often comes from one of the import scripts. They don't always convert from Ččéť correctly.


message 23: by ☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (last edited Oct 05, 2013 02:04PM) (new)

☾ Dαɴιyα ☽ (danija) | 13 comments Banjomike wrote: "Danija wrote: "That is an odd and completely incorrect spelling, like someone's keyboard went crazy. Don't shoot me when I say this, but can that profile be deleted since it's only added to one boo..."

Wow, now you're making me look like someone who just goes around deleting stuff. I am not. So, now, after I correct the title of the book, and the name of that other author which is the same author just misspelled, we'll again have two pages for Oskar Davičo, one of which has nothing except that one book. OK. Whatever. Do whatever you like.

Edit: When I tried to correct the misspelled name, I was asked if I wanted to merge the two profiles, and I did it, so you can relax. Nothing was deleted.


message 24: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Danija wrote: "Wow, now you're making me look like someone who just goes around deleting stuff. I am not. So, now, after I correct the title of the book, and the name of that other author which is the same author just misspelled, we'll again have two pages for Oskar Davičo, one of which has nothing except that one book. OK. Whatever. Do whatever you like. "

No, twice you have referred to deleting stuff. You did delete a book and you asked "can that profile be deleted". I just said no and explained why. The funny profile has already gone, not by me.


Karma♥Bites ^.~ (karma_bites) | 947 comments Danija wrote: "...The author is, unfortunately, dead. And there is no typo. Two different profiles with different books, except the one. ..."

IDK what relevance the living or non-living status of the author has to the present issue. Which, BTW, started w/ MSG #7 in which the author clearly stated that there was a typo in the author's name for the book in question. Which is why you deleted one edition, yes?

Regardless, I see that Banjomike has the matter in hand so will bow out of this thread.


message 26: by Tema (new)

Tema Merback | 8 comments Hi, my name is Tema Merback and I am the author of In the Face of Evil a book on Goodreads. I had a first edition 2010 which was eventually pulled and completely reedited. It is no longer available, and a second edition was created in 2012. My book is popping up on lists, etc. as the incorrect one. The only correct edition is the one with a medallion that says National Jewish Book Award Finalist. I need to combine editions or remove editions as my book is being added to Lisotopia lists incorrectly. I don't want the old edition to pop up anywhere, but particularly on Lisotopia lists.

Please help me!!!!!


message 27: by Marisa (last edited Oct 09, 2013 11:24AM) (new)

Marisa (marisasorenson) | 558 comments Tema, next time, please create a new thread with your information for the convenience of us librarians.


message 28: by Marisa (new)

Marisa (marisasorenson) | 558 comments Also, Goodreads keeps all editions, even out-of-print editions, in its database. If you want to change the default edition, here's how: https://www.goodreads.com/help/show/3...


message 29: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Tema wrote: "My book is popping up on lists, etc. as the incorrect one."

The edition selected by each user is the one that will show up on lists. Goodreads policy is to keep ALL published editions, which is why your book has 6 editions.


message 30: by Tema (new)

Tema Merback | 8 comments I don't want six editions. They are hitting the wrong editions by accident, and by confusion. Wouldn't it be better to combine hardcover with hardcover, soft with soft, and kindle with kindle? The old editions are not purchasable.


message 31: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Tema wrote: "The old editions are not purchasable."

That's not really relevant. Goodreads is not a bookstore; we are a database for all published books, even out of print ones.

As the author, you have the ability to change which edition of the book is the default, which will come up in searches by title and show on your author profile. Here's how: http://www.goodreads.com/help/show/31...


message 32: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Tema wrote: "I don't want six editions. They are hitting the wrong editions by accident, and by confusion. Wouldn't it be better to combine hardcover with hardcover, soft with soft, and kindle with kindle? The old editions are not purchasable. "

There ARE six editions and they are all combined according to normal Goodreads procedures. As Marisa said in post 29, you can pick the one you want to appear in searches etc.


message 33: by Tema (new)

Tema Merback | 8 comments I did exactly what you wrote. When got to the "edit details" page there was nothing on the right side of the page that said "set this book as the primary edition for this work"? Please explain further.


message 34: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments Tema wrote: "I did exactly what you wrote. When got to the "edit details" page there was nothing on the right side of the page that said "set this book as the primary edition for this work"? Please explain furt..."

Which specific edition do you want to be the default?


message 35: by J. (new)

J. Bergeron (jjackbergeron) | 1 comments As a librarian I should be allowed to delete information such as front covers and replaced them. But when I try to do this I am told that I need to be a librarian. Why doesn't it recognize that I am one?


message 36: by Scott (new)

Scott | 9097 comments I don't think you are allowed to edit your own books.


message 37: by Monique (last edited Oct 10, 2013 08:00AM) (new)

Monique (kadiya) | 1097 comments J. wrote: "As a librarian I should be allowed to delete information such as front covers and replaced them. But when I try to do this I am told that I need to be a librarian. Why doesn't it recognize that I a..."

J.:

You are not a Librarian. Authors have limited Librarian privileges for their own books. Editing cover art is not one of those privileges.

Moreover, if a cover has been published - even as an ARC or other early release - it is not replaced on Goodreads. An alternate cover edition is created.

If you let us know which book and where to find the new cover for it, we can help you.


message 38: by Tema (new)

Tema Merback | 8 comments Hi Scott, if you look at the books shown you will see the first one is a Hardcover Pub 2010 which needs to be deleted. Also the one that is a Kindle edition. Both of them do not have National Jewish Book Award Medallions. There are two with Medallions that are exactly the same Paperback 2012 editions,actually there should only be one. If anything there should be a Kindle 2012 Medallion edition.


message 39: by Tema (new)

Tema Merback | 8 comments Hi J, I don't know what you mean by where to find the cover. I have the jpeg cover art, or you can find the book in all of its current editions on Amazon.com.


message 40: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5166 comments This thread is getting confused because two different problems are being looked at here.

Tema, ignore the talk of covers. We are not going to delete any editions. Just say which of your six editions you want to be the default edition. Post the ISBN here.


message 41: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Banjomike wrote: "This thread is getting confused because two different problems are being looked at here."

Neither of which is the original topic. I am closing the thread and advising that J. and Tema each start a new thread.


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