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Must Read Books of WW2

I thought it was a great insight into WWII from someone who would consider themselves an isolationist."
I started it and thought I should throw it at Mr. Roberts head. But that might just be me. If I was still in High School and playing football I would have kept reading it, since it would have gotten me pumped up for the game.

Pat's conclusion was (in a very condensed/not doing the book justice form) that communism and nazism were on a collision course and it would have been preferable for them to grind each other to dust rather than give Poland a war guarantee that would drag England and eventually America into the conflict.
There's many other interesting arguments he makes too - that communism posed the bigger threat to the world than nazism, that Britain went to war for Poland's sake but then let Stalin move all the way up to East Berlin. He also argues that had Germany been treated fairly at Versailles, there would have been no Hitler nor Nazism.

He could also have written if it was not for the idiocy of the Russian monarchy here would have been no communist revolution in Russia.
I have done a bit of research on this book this evening having never heard of it before. It is not on my list of Must Read Books of WW2 to be frank. There are plenty who are scathing. The fact that is uses secondary sources has me suspicious.
I defend no form of totalitarianism and what happened to the masses under the Stalin and Mao regimes is appalling but at least ( and I say that advisedly) they played lip service to some semblance of humanity. Nazism did not even attempt that. They made it clear they were out to get rid of certain types and that included forced euthanasia of their very own. Churchill can be criticised for a lot of things but standing up to Nazism is not one of them.
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https://edgeinducedcohesion.blog/2018...
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I would suggest that the present book I am slowly getting through should be high on Must Read Books of WW2 as opposed to revisionist books. KL: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps

I have been very slow reading this. As exceptional as it is it can be wearing though and the odd break is required. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man never ceases to amaze me.

If you prefer first hand sources, I'm sure you'll love Hitler's War by David Irving.

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LOL. I suspect I wont. :-)

Pat's conclusion was (in a very condensed/not doing the book justice form) that communism and nazism were on a collision course and it would have been preferable for them to grind each o..."
Hi, Locky.
He could have been right about communisim and Nazism being on a collision course - indeed they were - but I don't think it would have happened without Churchill's stand. Imagine that he did sue for peace after the fall of France. Hitler and Stalin (and even Mussolini), who were drunk with success already, would have almost certainly sought for more territory. The U.S. was isolationist until attacked, so Canada or Australia would have been the next logical enemy of the two behemoths, and they would have gained more valuable natural resources with every victory.
I might, at some point, browse Buchanan's book, and I would give it a fair consideration, but I honestly don't think the "grinding against each other" would have happened in 1940; I think it wouldn't have happened until they had to determine which of those monsters would be the ruler of the world.


This book covers the period May - November 1940 when Britain was in its most precarious position, struggling for its very survival.
Through diary extracts and personal interviews (from the survivors) by both authors, you get a really tangible sense of the urgency, fear, hope and danger that the British lived with during that time. Among the people profiled in this book were:
i) a British tank commander who fought against Rommel's "Ghost Division" (the 7th Panzer Division) during the spring fighting in Northern France, barely escaping capture, and later managing to escape to England
ii) an RAF fighter pilot who flew Hurricanes in France (with 87 Squadron) and later over England
iii) a WAAF (Women's Auxiliary Air Force) fighter controller
iv) an American journalist with connections to both Roosevelt and Churchill
v) a young sailor in the Royal Navy, who assisted in the evacuation of Allied military personnel from Dunkirk and later served in a naval task force Churchill sent to Oran to attack the surface vessels of the French Navy stationed there, so as not to allow those ships to come under German control following the French surrender.
If you are one of those readers who seeks to find a "real and human" connection with what the Second World War was like, you can't go wrong with "THE FINEST HOUR".

I'm just recently getting into reading about WW2, and was interested in your top recommendations.
Recommendations???

I'm just recently getting into reading about WW2, and was interested in your top recommendations.
Recommendations???"
Oh geez, where to start? All right, I'll get the ball rolling on some books I've read which I would definitely recommend.
U.S. Submarine Warfare v. Japan




Naval Warfare in the Pacific






Air Combat in the Pacific









Some older titles but still quite good:


An oldie but still a goodie:


I'm just recently getting into reading about WW2, and was interested in your top recommendations.
Recommendations???"
Okay, time for a second batch:
The U-Boat War





Paratroopers







The Eastern Front









Air Combat Over Europe and the Eastern Front















Not knowing your specific interest I will suggest for the overviews.
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany

A slightly dated, but still very good account of the Nazi Years in Germany
The Rising Sun: The Decline & Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-45

An indepth look at the prewar and war situation in Japan.

Combat in North Africa, Italy and Western Europe


















The Pacific War
















Always happy to recommend books. Now, let's hope his bank account can keep up!


I can't say if any of the books I recommended are similar to "We Were Soldiers Then" as I haven't read that book...even though it's been on my TBR pile for a dozen or so years.
Also, my apologies for throwing a monkey wrench into your finances!





Just today I was thinking about this book or Joachim Fest.

My review for any one interested.
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Goodbye Darkness by Manchester
To Hell and Back by Murphy
Band of Brothers by Ambrose
D-Day by Ambrose
Ghost Soldiers by Sides
The Liberation trilogy by Atkinson

Goodbye Darkness by Manchester
To Hell and Back by Murphy
Band of Brothers by Ambrose
D-Day by Ambrose
Ghost Soldiers by Sides
The Liberation trilogy by Atkinson"
Nice to see someone else mention Audie Murphy's book. Loved reading it back in high school.



'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Funny enough I also read my dad's copy of "To Hell and Back" a "

My review:
Jonathan Jordan’s American Warlords put me at the table beside FDR as he wrestled with his thoughts, studied charts in the Map Room, and wooed Churchill and Stalin all while struggling merely to shift in his chair. But the nearly 500 page book doesn’t stop there. Jordan sets aside the more familiar MacArthur, Patton, and Eisenhower to gives us Stimson, Marshall, and King. In oh-so-readable prose, he reveals their bigger-than-life roles, their private squabbles, and their sure hands that guided pieces on WWII’s chessboard. Highly recommended.




Clara’s War - Clara Kramer
I have read it about 8 times I think. It is absolutely fantastic!

Clara’s War - Clara Kramer
I have read it about 8 times I think. It is absolutely fantastic!"
Forgot I had this on my "wanted" list, thanks for the reminder, Sofie, and glad to hear it is that good!



It's a highly fascinating, well-written book that makes plain in a very revealing way the various personalities in and around FDR's administration who played significant roles in the country's prosecution of the war effort.
What's amazing is how real many of these people become -- e.g. Harold Ickes, the Secretary of the Interior; Harry Hopkins, the Secretary of Commerce and a close aide to FDR; General George C. Marshall of the U.S. Army, who was named Chief of Staff by FDR on September 1, 1939; Secretary of State Cordell Hull; and Sumner Wells, a diplomat who worked closely with FDR on State Department matters --- in the pages of this book. I'm enjoying the experience.


For the pedantic and trivia obsessed. I paid $50 (USD) for my used copy and never blinked an eye. Originally published in 1984 one can find the data on the Internet now, but I prefer to sit this monster tome on my lap and spend hours perusing through it. Amazon advises the book weighs 5.9 lbs (approximately 2.6 kilos) so it has a majestic heft to it. If placed in a corner and ordered to find a fault I would say the author made a mistake not listing the various unit awards, but in other books that followed he made up for the oversight.
From the Goodreads synopsis: "Contains information about the U.S. Army units that participated in all theaters of WWII: when they were activated, where they were activated, and all of their locations up to and including any deactivation. The author even includes a table showing what units contributed personnel to form newer units. It also lists the divisional commanders and what smaller units were attached to them while in combat. "


A great reference. Congrats


Thanks.

The best of the best not in order:
Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway
Many have already mentioned this, but I cannot stress how good this book is. It's phenomenal in it's research on the subject and to give it perspective; after reading this, Ian Toll's Pacific trilogy felt super shallow.
Either of Max Hastings'
Nemesis: The Battle For Japan, 1944-45
or Armageddon: The Battle for Germany, 1944-1945
Not only because they also delve into the subject of actual warfare instead of just moving divisions around and having commanders do stuff. They're both well written and cover well the end's of both front.
Rick Atkinsons trilogy, for me the second one was the best, so here:
The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944
Very well written, deep in it's analysis and easy to follow. Real page turners about the whole western front.
And last but not least:
As a part of Cambridge University's ongoing series of WW2 armies, Jonathan Fennel wrote about the British and Commonwealth armies.
Fighting the People's War: The British and Commonwealth Armies and the Second World War
This I chomped through in few days in summer, 700 pages of meticulous research about the intricacies of British and commonwealth armies, why and how they fought. It's less about mechanics or equipment but about the men and women who fought. This is purely about armies, not airforce/navy.

I absolutely agree with Shattered Sword. Ignore the fact that it clears up and a lot of issues in regards to the battle itself, it is the only book I have ever read that explained how Radar worked and did it in a way that didn't leave me with crossed eyes. I would consider it a must-read for that alone. The Writes attention to detail and explaining the whys and wherefores of the ship design and the search patterns were excellent. And now I think I might have to put it back in my reading rotation. Thanks. LOL

I agree with your list (although I haven't read the Midway book yet), and would add these:
All four of James Hornfischer's books:




The last one is the best book on WWII naval combat I've ever read.



Rather than duplicating their efforts by listing books that have already been discussed, let me toss in some titles/authors that I think are also worthy of consideration:
THE BATTLE OF THE GENERALS: The Untold Story of the Falaise Pocket by Martin Blumenson
DECISION IN NORMANDY: The Unwritten Story of Montgomery and the Allied Campaign by Carlo D’Este
FIRE AND FORTITUDE: The U.S. Army in the Pacific War, 1941-1943 by John McManus
A WAR TO BE WON: Fighting The Second World War by Williamson Murray
RUSSIA’S WAR: A History of the Soviet War Effort, 1941 - 1945 by Richard Overy
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However, IMHO, war might have been avoidable in 1935, but by the time shots started being fired (1937 in China/Southeast Asia, 1939 in Europe), it was inevitable that the forces of tyranny and the defenders of liberty would clash in mighty battle regardless of any provocation of Hitler that Churchill may have been responsible for.
Watching "Darkest Hour" and "Dunkirk" (both somewhat flawed films but which I enjoyed enough to buy anyway) reminded me that Britain (with Canada and ANZAC forces) stood alone against not only Nazi Germany but also the Soviet Union. (Remember that Barbarossa didn't begin until the next year.) Had Churchill and Britain sued for peace, the next logical target for conquest was the Western Hemisphere, and while Hitler (and/or Stalin) might have begun with South America, the USA was the obvious plum that neither could have resisted trying to pluck, and with the help of Imperial Japan, it might have been possible.