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message 301: by Paul (new)

Paul (paul_gephart) | 460 comments I'd be curious to see what his conclusions are as a curiosity, but I think he would have to be dreaming (no matter what they are).

However, IMHO, war might have been avoidable in 1935, but by the time shots started being fired (1937 in China/Southeast Asia, 1939 in Europe), it was inevitable that the forces of tyranny and the defenders of liberty would clash in mighty battle regardless of any provocation of Hitler that Churchill may have been responsible for.

Watching "Darkest Hour" and "Dunkirk" (both somewhat flawed films but which I enjoyed enough to buy anyway) reminded me that Britain (with Canada and ANZAC forces) stood alone against not only Nazi Germany but also the Soviet Union. (Remember that Barbarossa didn't begin until the next year.) Had Churchill and Britain sued for peace, the next logical target for conquest was the Western Hemisphere, and while Hitler (and/or Stalin) might have begun with South America, the USA was the obvious plum that neither could have resisted trying to pluck, and with the help of Imperial Japan, it might have been possible.


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Dj | 2295 comments Locky wrote: "Has anyone else read 'Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War' by Pat Buchanan?
I thought it was a great insight into WWII from someone who would consider themselves an isolationist."


I started it and thought I should throw it at Mr. Roberts head. But that might just be me. If I was still in High School and playing football I would have kept reading it, since it would have gotten me pumped up for the game.


message 303: by Locky (new)

Locky Hey Paul,
Pat's conclusion was (in a very condensed/not doing the book justice form) that communism and nazism were on a collision course and it would have been preferable for them to grind each other to dust rather than give Poland a war guarantee that would drag England and eventually America into the conflict.
There's many other interesting arguments he makes too - that communism posed the bigger threat to the world than nazism, that Britain went to war for Poland's sake but then let Stalin move all the way up to East Berlin. He also argues that had Germany been treated fairly at Versailles, there would have been no Hitler nor Nazism.


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zed  (4triplezed) | 951 comments Locky wrote: "He also argues that had Germany been treated fairly at Versailles, there would have been no Hitler nor Nazism. ."

He could also have written if it was not for the idiocy of the Russian monarchy here would have been no communist revolution in Russia.

I have done a bit of research on this book this evening having never heard of it before. It is not on my list of Must Read Books of WW2 to be frank. There are plenty who are scathing. The fact that is uses secondary sources has me suspicious.

I defend no form of totalitarianism and what happened to the masses under the Stalin and Mao regimes is appalling but at least ( and I say that advisedly) they played lip service to some semblance of humanity. Nazism did not even attempt that. They made it clear they were out to get rid of certain types and that included forced euthanasia of their very own. Churchill can be criticised for a lot of things but standing up to Nazism is not one of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentis...

https://edgeinducedcohesion.blog/2018...

https://newrepublic.com/article/42206...

http://jcpa.org/article/joel-fishman-...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2008/0...

I would suggest that the present book I am slowly getting through should be high on Must Read Books of WW2 as opposed to revisionist books. KL: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps KL A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps by Nikolaus Wachsmann

I have been very slow reading this. As exceptional as it is it can be wearing though and the odd break is required. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man never ceases to amaze me.


message 305: by Locky (new)

Locky Buchanan's has 80 pages of sources and notes, spanning nearly a century of writing. It is a cheap criticism to be 'suspicious of second hand sources'. I read 3 of the links you mentioned and all 3 were hit pieces on Buchanan himself and not legitimate criticisms of his book.

If you prefer first hand sources, I'm sure you'll love Hitler's War by David Irving.


message 306: by zed (new)

zed  (4triplezed) | 951 comments Locky wrote: "If you prefer first hand sources, I'm sure you'll love Hitler's War by David Irving.
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LOL. I suspect I wont. :-)


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Paul (paul_gephart) | 460 comments Locky wrote: "Hey Paul,
Pat's conclusion was (in a very condensed/not doing the book justice form) that communism and nazism were on a collision course and it would have been preferable for them to grind each o..."


Hi, Locky.

He could have been right about communisim and Nazism being on a collision course - indeed they were - but I don't think it would have happened without Churchill's stand. Imagine that he did sue for peace after the fall of France. Hitler and Stalin (and even Mussolini), who were drunk with success already, would have almost certainly sought for more territory. The U.S. was isolationist until attacked, so Canada or Australia would have been the next logical enemy of the two behemoths, and they would have gained more valuable natural resources with every victory.

I might, at some point, browse Buchanan's book, and I would give it a fair consideration, but I honestly don't think the "grinding against each other" would have happened in 1940; I think it wouldn't have happened until they had to determine which of those monsters would be the ruler of the world.


message 308: by KOMET (new)

KOMET | 435 comments Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain by Tim Clayton & Phil Craig, is one of the best books on the Second World War that I've yet read.

Finest Hour The Battle of Britain by Phil Craig

This book covers the period May - November 1940 when Britain was in its most precarious position, struggling for its very survival.

Through diary extracts and personal interviews (from the survivors) by both authors, you get a really tangible sense of the urgency, fear, hope and danger that the British lived with during that time. Among the people profiled in this book were:

i) a British tank commander who fought against Rommel's "Ghost Division" (the 7th Panzer Division) during the spring fighting in Northern France, barely escaping capture, and later managing to escape to England

ii) an RAF fighter pilot who flew Hurricanes in France (with 87 Squadron) and later over England

iii) a WAAF (Women's Auxiliary Air Force) fighter controller

iv) an American journalist with connections to both Roosevelt and Churchill

v) a young sailor in the Royal Navy, who assisted in the evacuation of Allied military personnel from Dunkirk and later served in a naval task force Churchill sent to Oran to attack the surface vessels of the French Navy stationed there, so as not to allow those ships to come under German control following the French surrender.

If you are one of those readers who seeks to find a "real and human" connection with what the Second World War was like, you can't go wrong with "THE FINEST HOUR".


message 309: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Cody had asked this question:

I'm just recently getting into reading about WW2, and was interested in your top recommendations.


Recommendations???


message 310: by Marc (last edited Oct 24, 2018 09:38AM) (new)


message 311: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3595 comments Great recommendations Marc.


message 312: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Mike wrote: "Great recommendations Marc."

Thanks, Mike. Might come up with some more later.


message 313: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments I think Happy may have mentioned some of these as good starting titles for a general overview of WW2:

All Hell Let Loose The World at War, 1939-1945 by Max Hastings All Hell Let Loose: The World at War, 1939-1945 by Max Hastings

The Second World War by Antony Beevor The Second World War by Antony Beevor

The Storm Of War A New History Of The Second World War by Andrew Roberts The Storm Of War: A New History Of The Second World War by Andrew Roberts

Some older titles but still quite good:

The Second World War A Complete History by Martin Gilbert The Second World War: A Complete History by Martin Gilbert

The Second World War by John Keegan The Second World War by John Keegan

An oldie but still a goodie:

The Struggle for Europe by Chester Wilmot The Struggle for Europe by Chester Wilmot


message 315: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (last edited Oct 25, 2018 10:59AM) (new)

Mike | 3595 comments I tell you what, this group is damn smart! Collect and read the books recommended above and you will be too.


message 317: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments To get started I would suggest overviews in a general sense and things that hold specific interests for you.
Not knowing your specific interest I will suggest for the overviews.
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer
A slightly dated, but still very good account of the Nazi Years in Germany

The Rising Sun: The Decline & Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-45
The Rising Sun The Decline & Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-45 by John Toland

An indepth look at the prewar and war situation in Japan.


message 320: by happy (last edited Oct 26, 2018 11:03AM) (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments great lists there, Marc!


message 321: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Excellent recommendations Marc, thanks for taking the time to assist Cody in his request.


message 322: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Excellent recommendations Marc, thanks for taking the time to assist Cody in his request."

Always happy to recommend books. Now, let's hope his bank account can keep up!


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John Lomnicki, | 5 comments I have read a number of the books mentioned and recommend them also. For the past few years I have been seeking more detailed information. I started the Samuel Elliott Morrison Series on the Navy and it has provided me with additional information and is easy to read. I also am working thru the Army series. I recommend both for their detail and readability for those who would like more specifics.History of US Naval Operations in WWII, 15 VolsChief of Staff: Prewar Plans and Preparations


message 324: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Cody wrote: "thanks so much Marc! I will look into these. Are any of these similar writing as "We Were Soldiers Then"? I greatly enjoyed that book, and want WW2 books that are written similarly."

I can't say if any of the books I recommended are similar to "We Were Soldiers Then" as I haven't read that book...even though it's been on my TBR pile for a dozen or so years.

Also, my apologies for throwing a monkey wrench into your finances!


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John Farebrother | 15 comments I've just read Adolf Hitler: The Man and the Myth, and I thoroughly recommend it to anyone interested in WWII. Even though the book came out in 1973, and even though this subject has been done to death over the decades, nevertheless it opened my eyes to a lot of aspects of the war and the run-up to it.


message 326: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Dec 16, 2018 01:53PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Glad you enjoyed that book John. I still have Ian Kershaw's massive volume to read on Hitler.

Hitler 1936-1945 Nemesis by Ian Kershaw Hitler 1936-1945: Nemesis by Ian Kershaw


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Manray9 | 4785 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Glad you enjoyed that book John. I still have Ian Kershaw's massive volume to read on Hitler.

Hitler 1936-1945 Nemesis by Ian KershawHitler 1936-1945: Nemesis by [author:Ian K..."


Just today I was thinking about this book or Joachim Fest.


message 328: by zed (last edited Jun 16, 2019 03:24AM) (new)

zed  (4triplezed) | 951 comments I personally thought Kershaw's The End a very significant book on the subject of Nazi Germany's demise. Yes it is tough going in terms of the death and destruction on just about every page but it is chock a block full of amazingly interesting analysis, serious food for thought. An exceptionally good writer. A must read for anyone with an interest in the subject.

My review for any one interested.

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


message 329: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3811 comments Really good review and hook to read it far sooner than I had planned.


message 330: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Excellent review 4ZZZ and luckily I found my copy, now just to find the time to read it!


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Thomas Ross (tr59) | 4 comments With the Old Breed by Sledge
Goodbye Darkness by Manchester
To Hell and Back by Murphy
Band of Brothers by Ambrose
D-Day by Ambrose
Ghost Soldiers by Sides
The Liberation trilogy by Atkinson


message 332: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Thomas wrote: "With the Old Breed by Sledge
Goodbye Darkness by Manchester
To Hell and Back by Murphy
Band of Brothers by Ambrose
D-Day by Ambrose
Ghost Soldiers by Sides
The Liberation trilogy by Atkinson"


Nice to see someone else mention Audie Murphy's book. Loved reading it back in high school.


message 333: by Thomas (new)

Thomas Ross (tr59) | 4 comments I have my dad's copy. Read it while I was in college. Reminded me of Hemingway's style and thought maybe that he was the ghost writer, but turns out it was a fella by the name of McClure. When I hear the word "hero," which unfortunately has become an overused term, I think of someone like Murphy.


message 334: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Funny enough I also read my dad's copy of "To Hell and Back" and still have the movie on DVD which I love to watch from time-to-time. I rate both "With the Old Breed" and "Goodbye Darkness" in my top reads on WW2.


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carl  theaker | 1560 comments Gotta love Audie, though his book was an 'as told to' before they admitted that on book covers. He went to Hollywood after the war and a screenwriter friend put his stories into writing.

'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Funny enough I also read my dad's copy of "To Hell and Back" a "


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Rona Simmons (ronasimmons) | 84 comments Just finished Jonathan Jordan's 500 page American Warlords. Despite the length, or because of it -- and the details it shares -- I consider it a must read. Incredible sites of Roosevelt with chinks in his armor and his warlords: Stimson, Marshall, and King.
My review:
Jonathan Jordan’s American Warlords put me at the table beside FDR as he wrestled with his thoughts, studied charts in the Map Room, and wooed Churchill and Stalin all while struggling merely to shift in his chair. But the nearly 500 page book doesn’t stop there. Jordan sets aside the more familiar MacArthur, Patton, and Eisenhower to gives us Stimson, Marshall, and King. In oh-so-readable prose, he reveals their bigger-than-life roles, their private squabbles, and their sure hands that guided pieces on WWII’s chessboard. Highly recommended.


message 337: by John (new)

John Lomnicki, | 5 comments Rona wrote: "Just finished Jonathan Jordan's 500 page American Warlords. Despite the length, or because of it -- and the details it shares -- I consider it a must read. Incredible sites of Roosevelt with chinks...". Great review, will read this book next, very interested in decision making.


message 338: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19986 comments Sounds like an interesting book, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with the group Rona.

American Warlords How Roosevelt's High Command Led America to Victory in World War II by Jonathan W. Jordan American Warlords: How Roosevelt's High Command Led America to Victory in World War II by Jonathan W. Jordan


message 339: by Sofie (new)

Sofie Gedde I can recommend this amazing book:

Clara’s War - Clara Kramer

I have read it about 8 times I think. It is absolutely fantastic!


message 340: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3595 comments Sofie wrote: "I can recommend this amazing book:

Clara’s War - Clara Kramer

I have read it about 8 times I think. It is absolutely fantastic!"


Forgot I had this on my "wanted" list, thanks for the reminder, Sofie, and glad to hear it is that good!

Clara's War by Clara Kramer Clara's War by Clara Kramer


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KOMET | 435 comments Recently, I borrowed from my neighborhood library the book "The Washington War: FDR's Inner Circle and the Politics of Power That Won World War II" by James Lacey, which I'm now reading avidly.

The Washington War FDR's Inner Circle and the Politics of Power That Won World War II by James Lacey

It's a highly fascinating, well-written book that makes plain in a very revealing way the various personalities in and around FDR's administration who played significant roles in the country's prosecution of the war effort.

What's amazing is how real many of these people become -- e.g. Harold Ickes, the Secretary of the Interior; Harry Hopkins, the Secretary of Commerce and a close aide to FDR; General George C. Marshall of the U.S. Army, who was named Chief of Staff by FDR on September 1, 1939; Secretary of State Cordell Hull; and Sumner Wells, a diplomat who worked closely with FDR on State Department matters --- in the pages of this book. I'm enjoying the experience.


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Marilyn (mbk1857) | 136 comments I just added it to my list of “Want to Read”. It’s got fantastic reviews!


message 343: by Checkman (last edited Sep 02, 2020 01:19PM) (new)

Checkman | 27 comments Order of Battle, U.S. Army, World War II by Shelby L. Stanton "World War II Order of Battle: An Encyclopedic Reference to U.S. Army Ground Forces from Battalion through Division, 1939-1946" by Shelby L. Stanton

For the pedantic and trivia obsessed. I paid $50 (USD) for my used copy and never blinked an eye. Originally published in 1984 one can find the data on the Internet now, but I prefer to sit this monster tome on my lap and spend hours perusing through it. Amazon advises the book weighs 5.9 lbs (approximately 2.6 kilos) so it has a majestic heft to it. If placed in a corner and ordered to find a fault I would say the author made a mistake not listing the various unit awards, but in other books that followed he made up for the oversight.

From the Goodreads synopsis: "Contains information about the U.S. Army units that participated in all theaters of WWII: when they were activated, where they were activated, and all of their locations up to and including any deactivation. The author even includes a table showing what units contributed personnel to form newer units. It also lists the divisional commanders and what smaller units were attached to them while in combat. "


message 344: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Checkman wrote: "Order of Battle, U.S. Army, World War II by Shelby L. Stanton "World War II Order of Battle: An Encyclopedic Reference to U.S. Army Ground Forces from Battalion through Division, 1939-1946" by Shelb..."

A great reference. Congrats


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Checkman | 27 comments Dj wrote: "Checkman wrote: "Order of Battle, U.S. Army, World War II by Shelby L. Stanton "World War II Order of Battle: An Encyclopedic Reference to U.S. Army Ground Forces from Battalion through Division, 19..."

Thanks.


message 346: by Perato (last edited Nov 04, 2020 05:24PM) (new)

Perato | 231 comments Watching my bookshelf with only about +60 WW2 books there are handful that I think are a must read for anyone enthusiast about the war. Not maybe because of their content but how they're structured, written and researched:
The best of the best not in order:
Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway
Many have already mentioned this, but I cannot stress how good this book is. It's phenomenal in it's research on the subject and to give it perspective; after reading this, Ian Toll's Pacific trilogy felt super shallow.

Either of Max Hastings'
Nemesis: The Battle For Japan, 1944-45
or Armageddon: The Battle for Germany, 1944-1945
Not only because they also delve into the subject of actual warfare instead of just moving divisions around and having commanders do stuff. They're both well written and cover well the end's of both front.

Rick Atkinsons trilogy, for me the second one was the best, so here:
The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944
Very well written, deep in it's analysis and easy to follow. Real page turners about the whole western front.

And last but not least:
As a part of Cambridge University's ongoing series of WW2 armies, Jonathan Fennel wrote about the British and Commonwealth armies.
Fighting the People's War: The British and Commonwealth Armies and the Second World War
This I chomped through in few days in summer, 700 pages of meticulous research about the intricacies of British and commonwealth armies, why and how they fought. It's less about mechanics or equipment but about the men and women who fought. This is purely about armies, not airforce/navy.


message 347: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Perato wrote: "Watching my bookshelf with only about +60 WW2 books there are handful that I think are a must read for anyone enthusiast about the war. Not maybe because of their content but how they're structured..."

I absolutely agree with Shattered Sword. Ignore the fact that it clears up and a lot of issues in regards to the battle itself, it is the only book I have ever read that explained how Radar worked and did it in a way that didn't leave me with crossed eyes. I would consider it a must-read for that alone. The Writes attention to detail and explaining the whys and wherefores of the ship design and the search patterns were excellent. And now I think I might have to put it back in my reading rotation. Thanks. LOL


message 348: by John (new)

John (johnnycobra) | 120 comments Yes, that may be due for a re-read.


message 349: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Perato wrote: "Watching my bookshelf with only about +60 WW2 books there are handful that I think are a must read for anyone enthusiast about the war. Not maybe because of their content but how they're structured..."

I agree with your list (although I haven't read the Midway book yet), and would add these:

All four of James Hornfischer's books:

Neptune's Inferno The U.S. Navy at Guadalcanal by James D. Hornfischer Neptune's Inferno: The U.S. Navy at Guadalcanal

Ship of Ghosts The Story of the USS Houston, FDR's Legendary Lost Cruiser, and the Epic Saga of Her Survivors by James D. Hornfischer Ship of Ghosts: The Story of the USS Houston, FDR's Legendary Lost Cruiser, and the Epic Saga of Her Survivors

The Fleet at Flood Tide America at Total War in the Pacific, 1944-1945 by James D. Hornfischer The Fleet at Flood Tide: America at Total War in the Pacific, 1944-1945

The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors The Extraordinary World War II Story of the U.S. Navy's Finest Hour by James D. Hornfischer The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors: The Extraordinary World War II Story of the U.S. Navy's Finest Hour

The last one is the best book on WWII naval combat I've ever read.

Target Tokyo Jimmy Doolittle and the Raid That Avenged Pearl Harbor by James M. Scott Target Tokyo: Jimmy Doolittle and the Raid That Avenged Pearl Harbor

Silent Victory The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan by Clay Blair Jr. Silent Victory: The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan


message 350: by James (new)

James Best (jamesbest) | 66 comments Most of the books that I consider to be “must reads” on WWII have already been mentioned several times by other members of the group. And I have certainly taken note of several books that I am going to put on my hunt list based on the feedback that I have read.

Rather than duplicating their efforts by listing books that have already been discussed, let me toss in some titles/authors that I think are also worthy of consideration:

THE BATTLE OF THE GENERALS: The Untold Story of the Falaise Pocket by Martin Blumenson

DECISION IN NORMANDY: The Unwritten Story of Montgomery and the Allied Campaign by Carlo D’Este

FIRE AND FORTITUDE: The U.S. Army in the Pacific War, 1941-1943 by John McManus

A WAR TO BE WON: Fighting The Second World War by Williamson Murray

RUSSIA’S WAR: A History of the Soviet War Effort, 1941 - 1945 by Richard Overy


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