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Sep 19, 2013 07:05AM
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Rachel ~ SnapDragoness wrote: "thanks!"Anytime :)
Carolyn F. wrote: "Go to the group and right under the group banner and blurb where it says "You are a member" click "edit" and then under "My Membership" it says "leave this group" click that. Then you're out :) "Thanks! :)
Paganalexandria wrote: " It's true about the unpredictability of the potential for Goodreads drama. It pops in the strangest random was. I tend to miss a lot of the worst cases because it seems to involve the YA genre most of the time."That. I think it's pretty easy to survive on Goodreads without drama, as long as you avoid the popular YA reviewers. The trolls tend to head to their reviews to stir up trouble!
High school was a long time ago - I don't need that kind of drama anymore!
I hated high school drama when I was in high school. Definitely don't need it now. :)
The online attitude that I can't stand which I have seen a few times on goodreads but mostly on facebook is the 'I'm right and you're wrong' attitude. And the 'you just don't like (fill in the blank) because you don't understand it'.
The online attitude that I can't stand which I have seen a few times on goodreads but mostly on facebook is the 'I'm right and you're wrong' attitude. And the 'you just don't like (fill in the blank) because you don't understand it'.
Well, I see the group that started this thread's campaign was successful:http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...
This is totally what they were campaigning for with all the petitions and reaching out to the powers that be. Mind Blown.
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http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...
This is totally what they were campaigning f..."
Two words: Hot Mess!
Danielle The Book Huntress wrote: "Two words: Hot Mess! "I can't believe what I initially thought was paranoia actually turned out to be true. You would think by now I would have grown up enough to let go of the fantasy that common sense will prevail and good conquers evil. How can a book site endorse censorship? Where do they do that at? WTH?
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Danielle The Book Huntress , Loves 'Em Lethal
(last edited Sep 26, 2013 09:58PM)
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I am staying for the people in the groups I moderate and for the folks who benefit from reading my reviews and the relationships I have found here. But my faith and respect for GRs administration is completely gone.
Danielle The Book Huntress wrote: "I don't know, Paganalexandria. It's a hurtful thing for me as a big lover of this book community. I know several folks who are cutting their losses and leaving. I am staying because this community ..."Danielle, this reminds me of my company before my lay off. You know weird policy changes happen that make you nervous, but management convinces you everything's fine, so you don't worry. Then a year later the big meeting comes that informs you of your job going over seas. We all were nervous when Amazon bought this site, but we drank the Kool-Aid convincing us that nothing was going to change. Until we got pink slipped. I really love the connections with fellow book lovers that I have made. This makes leaving too hard a decision for me to contemplate now. It also helps that I didn't have a lot of "problem shelves" to be targeted. I haven't checked all my reviews yet to see if anything was deleted yet.
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I don't think I've lost any reviews or shelves, but I am still pretty angry about others who have. I know how much time I put into building my account here, so I can imagine how painful that must have been for them.
I am really going to miss the punk rock attitude this site had. Once I joined here it freed me from Amazon's review pre-approval crap. The only time I ever review on Amazon is when I do it in exchange for an ARC. I almost hate I have two Kindles because I would totally boycott Amazon in protest for this Big Brother BS.
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My relationship with Goodreads is undecided at this point.
I was trying to not engage much around this topic. But I can't help as I read to hear others and my thoughts as well that GR administration didnt think before they posted and now it's clean up time. I don't think GRs came out the gate very well. It's just as their asking us, re-read before you hit the "post" button. I would hate that I would have to leave GR, like you said D this is my site. I have met good friends here and would hate to leave. I have not been effected as others have so maybe I don't feel the full extent of it. But all in all, I joined because it was a community of readers that love to READ, discuss books in truth, drink coffee, Read! And give honest reviews. I would hate to have others stop posting reviews that I love so much because they might feel its not worth it or are afraid to say what they feel that's valid about a good or not so good book. Yes at the moment this issues is about using verbiage that's is "bullying" but what's the limited to someone's perception of bullying?
I am so very disappointed in Goodreads. I was also willing to give them the benefit of the doubt after the Amazon purchase but this new policy (which cannot be called anything other than censorship) shows that the site is moving away from being for readers to focus on catering to and appeasing authors.While I do not condone attacks on authors and/or reviewers in any shape or form, deleting reviews and shelves is not the way to go about fixing the problem.
It is a sad case of affairs when authors lash out at their intended audience and it will backfire on them as readers and reviewers will find a way to express themselves whether it is on GR or somewhere else.
The real losers will be those indie authors who do not behave badly because reviewers will think twice before accepting books for review for fear of being targeted by rabid fans and/or having their review censored.
As of now, I'm not leacing GR as it suits my purposes for cataloging and discussing books and I love my groups and friends. That might change depending on the future of the site and the second they target groups and dictate what we can and cannot say, it the second I leave.
I've opened a Booklikes account and am backing everything up there just in case. Better safe than sorry :0(
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I just find it astounding that the small group of lunatic self-published authors (and I definitely don't mean all self-published authors, because some are amazing) managed to make this happen.They stalked reviewers, published their names, addresses, husbands' work addresses, children's schools online. They called reviewers at home to threaten them. They set up a site to attack them...
And now this major, international company with millions upon millions of members is listening to THEM? The same people they banned from the site for being abusive?
I don't understand.
Many people have moved to BookLikes, but I'm not going to close my account or do anything drastic yet. BookLikes is a messy site, and doesn't have a lot of books in their database yet, but I do have an account there, if anyone wants to join me:
http://sonyaheaney.booklikes.com/
You'll notice I haven't done anything with my account yet!
(And I think I deserve a prize for using "yet" 1000 times in one post!)
Pamela(AllHoney) wrote: "I'm not overly bothered by this. I don't agree with it but I'm not overly bothered. There are too many things in life for me to worry about. If Goodreads deletes a review or two, it's no biggie to ..."Personally, it doesn't worry me at the moment. I have no desire to get caught up in the drama. But these new rules mean that nobody can ever say anything about an author anymore.
All those times reviewers have called out 'authors' for plagiarism? Not allowed anymore. The reviewers who were threatened at home by maniac 'authors'? Nobody is allowed to mention it on here anymore.
And so on.
I actually can't believe we have to even bring up these issues - it's a friggin' BOOK! But the sad truth is that some 'authors' really are crazy, and now Amazon-owned Goodreads it pandering to them...
However, there really isn't a good alternative. BookLikes (and God, I hate that silly name!) is the best option, and it's pretty bad!
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Danielle The Book Huntress , Loves 'Em Lethal
(last edited Sep 27, 2013 09:50AM)
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I am not so concerned about them deleting reviews, but the manner and the reason for deletion. In particular, certain reviewers were targeted who were known to be involved in the issue with bullying/stalking authors. I find it reprehensible that they would delete reviews for a reader writing about their reasons for not reading an author. That's their opinion and it should be covered under terms of service as long as it's not an abusive attack. My other issue is deleting shelves because authors are combing readers shelves and don't like when their books are on certain shelves. Goodreads deleted shelves with very ambiguous meaning and then said they had their reasons for doing it, but didn't want to clarify exactly why.
So, that's why I'm upset about it. I can understand having logical, consistent reasons for actions. I definitely don't agree with using your authority in a non-consistent, unfair way.
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Danielle The Book Huntress , Loves 'Em Lethal
(last edited Sep 27, 2013 09:59AM)
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mine is under gatadelafuente.
The part that gets me, is Goodreads insisting the bullying author will be banned. There book will still remain, so no harm, no foul. What incentive do they have to behave? I just don't get it. Plus the sneaky way Goodreads is handling this. I found this out on accident. Something this big should have been announced.
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I'm not a fan of Amazon in general. I have had issues with their policies in the past. Mostly how they believe it is in their right to edit and delete all and any digital content that belongs to them. I've even heard of costumers having books deleted from their kindles without warning or explanation. This just isn't right in my opinion. So this behavior doesn't surprise me. It saddens me though. I like(d) Goodreads because it is (was) a site for readers by readers. This was handled very badly. There should have been a notice, either on the front page when you log in or a mass email, and warning. That's the part of this that bothers me the most. I'm not happy. But I'm not leaving. I like it here. I've been on other sites and frankly this one is the best. I can keep track of my books anywhere. I use Goodreads to read books and discuss them with other readers. And I haven't found anything that can compare to this site.
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Danielle The Book Huntress wrote: "GRs definitely has a unique feel to other book sites. A huge part of that are the people on here. I hope they don't run most of us off because the site will change if they succeed in doing that."That's what I'm afraid of too Danielle :(
So true, I just hope they don't start sanitizing the groups. I enjoy the great gifs in certain reviews too. I don't want this to become Amazon 2.0 for a lot of different reasons. Unlike Facebook, I am much more social and open to strangers and their opinions. If there are too many other changes I doubt that will be the case.
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Well, I saw they "clarified" the changes and actually returned some peoples shelves that were hastily removed.http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...
It's a little thing, but it's enough to make me stop stalking the original change thread at least. LOL My paranoia and sense of outrage was on a 10.
