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On a slightly less murderous note, Professor Umbridge from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

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Khali is by far more cruel... (view spoiler)



Moriarty from Sherlock Homes?
The Whale from Moby Dick?
I think I am just listing my favorites now.
a discussion should start about what would be more evil.
1. The Anarchist/Entropist "I just want to see the world burn"
2. The Systematic but Misguided Leader (think Hitler)
3. The Selfish Prig (everyone else is a stepping stone)

I remember that topic. Though I still think Cersei is more evil. And Tywinn. Joffrey is a product of Cersei. You have to wonder if Robert had married Lyanna, would his progeny have been as terrible? And it's not as though the other 2 Baratheon children were horrible. But wow...Cersei.


Oooh good call. I'd forgotten about him, having read that series a few years ago. I should go back to that world with the other trilogies. :)

Moriarty from Sherlock Homes?
The Whale from Moby Dick?"
I never thought of Moriarty as Evil the same was I see cruel fantasy monarchs as evil. Moriarty was a criminal genius but not Evil just bad.
The White Whale...non-anthropomorphic animals can't be Evil silly head...he's just a whale doing his whale thing defending himself from a psychotic obsessive weirdo :)

See, I always sympathized with the whale. Here he is just swimming along eating krill or whatever and some a-holes start poking it with harpoons. I'd bash into their ship until it sank, too.
I always thought Ahab was the villain in Moby Dick.
@Dara: Yes. He's awful in every way imaginable. I don't know if you've read the Liveship Trilogy, but I despised Malta (who shares a lot of Regal's awful qualities) (view spoiler)

Neil used to be employed by the NSA were he came up with a method of interrogating terrorists that involved, well, here is how the author describes it in the novel:
It started "small-fry," as Neil put it: a pilot project with sensory deprivation interrogation techniques. The powers that be gave his research group a theoterrorist they thought could be key to unlocking several American-Muslim cells. Apparently they interviewed him via a sham fellow inmate, discovered what he thought his execution would look like, and more important, what he thought paradise would like. Then they arranged his execution...
But instead of killing him they simply put him under - deep under. Then they transferred him to a specially prepared sensory deprivation tank, pumped him full of MDMA variants and opiates, gave his body some time to acclimatize...
Then woke him up.
No sound. No light, smell, touch. Sealed in his skull and higher than a fucking kite. Apparently the subject tried screaming, thrashing, and all that - a brain in sensory limbo, Neil said, automatically attempts to generate feedback stimuli - but they'd induced motor paralysis to better prevent him from sensing himself. Besides, he had no choice but to feel good with the mickey they'd slipped him. When the MRI showed them his visual centers spontaneously lighting up, then introduced him to "God," this ultraslick intelligence specialist from Bahrain. To hear Neil describe it, the man literally thought he'd died and gone to heaven.
"Let me tell you," his buddy said with a gallows grin, "when God's asking the questions, people answer.
Neil leaves his job at the NSA and goes into business for himself. He starts abducting people and performing neurosurgery on them to prove his argument that free will is only an illusion. One of his first experiments was to "destroy" one man's ability to recognize faces so that when he see's his wife he doesn't recognize her and thinks this woman is some stranger trying to impersonate his wife. Other experiments are much more disturbing (really disturbing), like some of the stuff he does with a porn star he abducts.

I think I hate him more with every page.


I remember that topic. Though I still think Cersei is more evil. And Tywinn. Joffre..."
She's definately got issues, but I find myself kinda liking Cersei and I think she's a saint compared to Joffrey.




Then craster from a song of ice and fire is a very bad person.. Oh and let us not forget ramsey snow, the bastard of the dreadfort.
I always felt a bit sorry for cersei, getting raped and being abused by robert "wenching and boozing" baratheon.

I remember that topic. Though I still think Cersei is more evil. And Tywinn. Joffre..."
Robert is not joffre's father....


I meant from a purpose of upraising, not from biology.
I'm not convinced that people are born inherently evil, but are a product of their upbringing.

Reading the other responses, I also have to agree with Kristina about the bad guys from Pillars of the Earth. There were some seriously BAD people in that book.
Kamil wrote: "Khali from Beyond the Shadows, and it's all over, we can go home since we'll never find someone worst. She makes joffrey look like a teacher's pet boyscout"
I must have missed something. I just finished the book and she seems like a pretty minor character. Evil yes, but mostly in the background. She encourages evil in others, and the things done in her name are terrible, is that what you mean?
I must have missed something. I just finished the book and she seems like a pretty minor character. Evil yes, but mostly in the background. She encourages evil in others, and the things done in her name are terrible, is that what you mean?
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Just a vile, destructive force of a character. Possibly even shockingly evil. ever had a moment when a character just appalled you with his or her actions?