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Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be...

The sun shines, tempers get short and it seems lives can get ruined in a moment.

A fight over a disabled bay. The disabled bay that is regularly used by non disabled drivers and occasionally starts arguments.....


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Oh Simon. That's terrible. :(


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Elle (louiselesley) | 6579 comments Holy Crap!


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Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments Had to be in bloody Asda as well.


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments Good grief thats unbelievable!


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Do you know either of them Simon?

I'm sure the entire village is in complete shock.


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Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments Bet they have CCTV footage.


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A.L. Butcher (alb2012) | 1608 comments Wow that is terrible. That really annoys me when people park in disabled bays. If there are no free spaces, wait a couple of minutes.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments And eye witnesses I expect.

Video is more reliable, though.

Oh I'm feeling so bad for all the family of both guys.


Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments I can't find any names yet. I could know the biggleswade one but I would prefer to believe I don't have any friends who would knock people out in carparks. Let's hope I am right....


Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments They have arrested the man who did it....


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Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments It's just awful all round.


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Emma (emzibah) | 4125 comments That is awful :-(


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Horrendous.


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments Amazing how people 'lose it' over nothing. OH was checking in at the airport and two old chaps started jostling each other over queuing. When they barged OH for the third time he turned and yelled at both of them. They must have both been in their 70's. Silly old sods. Its easily done to do real harm when tempers flare.


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Jim | 21809 comments People 'lose it' too easily. I think they've lost touch with just how fragile life is.


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Kath Middleton | 23860 comments Anyone should know better but people of that age - ahem - this age -really should have grown up a looooong time ago.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments People lose it in different ways.


Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments Odd though. On the mean streets of biggleswade there is an assumption an able bodied man hit a disabled man but what if it turned out to be the other way around?


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Shaun (shaunjeffrey) | 2467 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Please correct me if I'm wrong."

There are lots of crazy people out there of both sexes I'm afraid:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknew...


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Jim | 21809 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'm wrong."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Local papers often have reports along the lines of 'girl glasses another girl in night club'


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Jim | 21809 comments Simon (Highwayman) wrote: "Odd though. On the mean streets of biggleswade there is an assumption an able bodied man hit a disabled man but what if it turned out to be the other way around?"

Does because you're disabled doesn't mean that you're more reasonable than anyone else.
Disabled people are perfectly normal people with one or two difficulties they try to live with.


Rosemary (grooving with the Picts) (nosemanny) | 8590 comments I think that used to be true in the main Patti but unfortunately young women appear to be becoming more aggressive, with or without influence of alcohol :(


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments I had a rotten train ride home alone one evening in February, missed my train at Cardiff, ripped a hole in my trousers, sat alone on the train in Swansea station, a group of youths ran onto the train opened every window and ran off. Great. A chap got on in a wheelchair, rolled right up to me and shouted in my face "That's my seat". I said I'd move thinking it was logistically the best seat for his disability. When he did it the second time and the third time I began to get very nervous!


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Tim | 8539 comments Simon (Highwayman) wrote: "Odd though. On the mean streets of biggleswade there is an assumption an able bodied man hit a disabled man but what if it turned out to be the other way around?"

My immediate thought was it was the other way round: Disabled person been waiting for spot for ages, and arrogant healthy person nips in, refuses to budge, and fight ensues. As to which was killed and which arrested, that's a tougher call.


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Tim | 8539 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'm wrong."


Nope, plenty of women start fights. And drunken women outside nightclubs, you *really* don't want to be near - they are much worse than men.


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Karen Lowe | 1338 comments Heard about that on the radio last night. Incredible. And really sad.


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R.M.F. Brown | 2124 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'm wrong."


Church hall coffee morning a few months ago!


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R.M.F. Brown | 2124 comments Tim wrote: "Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'..."


Agreed, I've witnessed a few Saturday night fights in my time, and women can be very very vicious.


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Jud (judibud) | 16799 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "Sorry, gotta say it.

It's not 'people' that lose it. It's men.

I've never heard of a rage attack such as this where a woman has been involved.

Please correct me if I'm wrong."



I got punched once in a night club for bumping into a girl on the dance floor.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I guess I've been sheltered from such women.


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Elle (louiselesley) | 6579 comments On Saturday night while walking into town with two of my male co-workers a woman had to held back by her male companion and I had to be sheltered by my two friends because SHE walked INTO ME. She sent me flying (I have really boney elbows so I'm sure I done more damage to her) and then went flying at me in an attack stance. She looked ready to kill.


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments My daughter stopped going on girls nights out years ago. They were occasionally threatened for dancing with another's intended boyfriend etc, she said it was no fun, you daren't leave a drink, you had to be so careful with your bag etc and if a lad asked you to dance one of his ex's or would-be girlfriend's wanted to sort you out. Times change and not for the better it seems.


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Jim | 21809 comments Looking back, 'when I were a lad' the smarter ones and even a lot of the not so smart ones, soon learned that if you tried cutting rough, sooner or later someone would cut rougher than you could cope with. The generation before me who had been though the war were even more certain of this.
It struck me at the time that a lot of girls never learned this. Yes, in my day a particularly unpleasant female would just tongue lash some lad to humiliate him secure in the knowledge that no male 'would hit a girl'
Unfortunately that message got watered down, especially when girls started handing out physical violence.
I suspect you're a generation behind Patti. You're where we should be :-(


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Perhaps Canada is just not wantonly aggressive. Not when I lived there anyway.

Worst I ever saw was a bit of wrestling between two drunken guys in a bar but those fights never came to much as the friends would step in to calm things.

You can't afford to act like that in a host country.

You'll get deported.


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Andy Elliott | 1446 comments Unfortunately disabled spaces seem to cause more problems than they solve. I was on the receiving end of a finger to the sternum from an old man after I parked in a disabled spot outside our local supermarket to collect my ninety two year old granddad at the end of his weekly shop. I had his blue badge to display but that didn't appease the poking man who decided that as I was young(ish) I just wanted to park my car close to the shop (which was Waitrose btw, so it's not just Asda where blue badge rage occurs).

More unpleasantness has been frequented upon another relative of mine repeatedly gets harangued by disabled folks for using the disabled toilets. He has a colostomy bag that is pretty much impossible to change in a toilet stall (which rarely have a suitable bin in the gents). But because he does not have an outwardly noticeable limp or whatnot, he gets a yelling off folks in wheelchairs. I've suggested handing any irked folks his bag once it's changed, but he's too polite.


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Elle (louiselesley) | 6579 comments We used to get a lot of stick as well when parking in disabled parking spaces picking up my Nan from places. We had the badge displayed clearly but when they saw my Mother & I, they assumed we were just parking there out of laziness.


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Andy Elliott | 1446 comments Elle wrote: "We used to get a lot of stick as well when parking in disabled parking spaces picking up my Nan from places. We had the badge displayed clearly but when they saw my Mother & I, they assumed we were..."

I must confess that since having an offspring, I've taken to peering through the windows of other cars who park in parent & sprogling spaces, checking that they also have evidence that they have a kid (car seats/toys/vomit/loss of hope etc).


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments I know the system gets abused but its a bugger when you have to explain to strangers why/ where you are parking or peeing though. My MIL lived into her late 90's and when she wanted some new shoes or anything personal OH took her shopping. She wasn't eligible for a badge of any sort, just old, and couldn't walk very far, husband enquired about it but as he was usually in a hire car and had no permanent number plate her couldn't get anywhere. He had to drop her at the shops then park properly and come back. Some unapppointed monitors/ busybodies make life very difficult for others. You'd think they might show a bit of compassion for others.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments How about just thinking the best of people and assume they have every right to use the facilities?


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Tim | 8539 comments The disabled parking spaces are regularly abused here in town by cars with no disabled badge. And since there are no traffic wardens (scrapped in cutbacks...), the spaces aren't policed and so they can get away with it.


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Mark Chisnell (markchisnell) | 55 comments I'm half-way through a book that explains violence in a way that nothing else has - if you want to understand how and why people lose it (both women and men, but differently) this is an essential read...

Violence A Writer's Guide by Rory Miller


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I like a gory book but I don't think I could read that.


Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments The man who died had just recovered from cancer. Life has some crap twists and turns.


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Mark Chisnell (markchisnell) | 55 comments Patti (Beach Bunny) wrote: "I like a gory book but I don't think I could read that."

It's not actually that gory... well, for a book on violence, it doesn't revel in it, just corrects a lot of misapprehensions that you might get from the movies...


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Elle (louiselesley) | 6579 comments Simon (Highwayman) wrote: "The man who died had just recovered from cancer. Life has some crap twists and turns."

I just read that while eating dinner. How very sad for the family. To celebrate a life only to have it taken within days.


Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments Oh crap. The pub was busy last night because of train delays. Word around biggleswade is that the other man in the incident jumped in front of a train.... Not sure how true it is.


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Karen Lowe | 1338 comments Talking of lives being ruined in a moment, there was a horrible accident in the carpark of our local Coop on the weekend. Elderly woman driver stepped on accelerator instead of brake in her automatic, and crushed an elderly couple who were just loading their shopping in their boot. Just a terrible accident. some of the local shopkeepers went out to help, it must have been dreadful to witness. The lady was dragged along under the car as the woman hit I think 3 other cars.


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Lorraine  | 575 comments I don't know if our trains affect those in biggleswade simon, but we had a jumper yesterday,didn't make it onto the news tho,so don't know the ins and outs.


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