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Are you satisfied with the way season 3 kept to the book?
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Do you think that season 3 did great in adapting the book or visa versa?
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In my opinion it was only okay. Adaptations to different media are difficult, obviously they couldn't put in every scene (as much as I would love that) but honestly, some of the changes seemed weird to me and unneccessary. I'll keep watching the show, sure, but I won't be as excited for season 4 as I was coming in to season 2 and 3.I loved season 1 and read the books following that season, still loved the first season, felt like it was one of the best novel adaptations I'd ever seen, season two was close enough not to bother me much but a few things got on my nerves a bit, season three just wasn't really my style at all and I have to try really hard to not get annoyed by changes because their were too many of them in my opinion. But I admit, that I sort of have a bias since Storm of Swords is by far my favorite installation. Just have to try to detach so I can enjoy it, what I liked about season 3 was how it let me talk to me friends about the series so much and inform them of things they left out from the books....basically, to me, season three is a great talking point, not the best adaptation.
My interest in the show has dwindled with each season.Season 1 I was on my toes eagerly waiting for the next episode.
Season 2 I was the same the first 4 episodes, then I'd watch them whenever I felt like it, usually 2 or 3 weeks later.
Season 3 was ok, but the same happened to me, I'd let 2 or 3 episodes go by before watching another one again.
I am not sure of why this is, it just kind of happens that the episodes don't really grab me. But it's still better tv than 90% of what is out there.
I think they are doing great considering how complex the story line is. Imagine if these books were turned into Movies...everyone would be totally shitty. You just couldn't squeeze books of this size into a 2 or 3 hour movie. So I think we are lucky they are a TV series, at least we're getting more than we would if it was a movie.
No I was not happy. No Belwas?! No Whitebeard beating the u know what out of Mero?! And Daario a Second Son?! Makes no sense if you are like me and have read all the books and know the story arc. A major plot twist happens in the book when Whitebeard is revealed to be Barristan Selmy. Now how will that plot twist happen?
@Stephen - That bit bothered me too, I've started to think they're going to cut that with the show.I mean, why else would Jorah still be around?
doing a reveal like that would be difficult on tv because you'd be able to see who the actor was. it would decrease the tension dramatically. so they revealed him right away at the close of the first episode. it's not as commanding this way but it made sense that it had to change. as far as jorah not being banished yet, it's because it happens after the sack of meereen. dany, mad at both barristan and jorah for lying to her, sends them through meereen's sewers as way of ridding herself of them, and to see if they would prove their loyalty. when they both returned alive and well, she decides to hear them out. barristan gives some reasonable perspective on why he hid his identity, while jorah pleads and begs and generally acts like petulant dick, so she tells him he has to leave her immediately. not to mention the fact that he not only was lying but was selling her out to her enemies.
Josh wrote: "doing a reveal like that would be difficult on tv because you'd be able to see who the actor was. it would decrease the tension dramatically. so they revealed him right away at the close of the fir..." I would have known because I have read the book, but on the HBO show the Selmy character had one major scene, a beard and long hair would have fooled the non readers until the reveal. Now, how will they reveal the Jorah secret. I am afraid they will never do it.
I think they will have to reveal the Jorah betrayal bit considering elements in the latest book. As this topic is one the second book I have put that in spoilers below:(view spoiler)
I do think that they could have found a way to hide Selmys appearance - but it was never *that* big of a deal to me.
In terms of the overall question re satisfaction as to the in-keepingness with the book - yes and no. I have always seen the series as something separate and for the most part they have kept pretty close... I was more annoyed at what they were doing with Theon (view spoiler) considering some of that comes from Dance...
Although I think that the series end result will be the same as the books (provided Martin finishes all the books and the HBO series doesn't get cancelled) I think the method of getting there is going to be rather different.
Oh, I know, when I figured out (view spoiler) I was shocked, I went back and read it even like...Holy Crap...how did I miss this?I kinda figured they just didn't want to loose Alfie Allen so they didn't drop the Theon storyline. He's one of my favorite actors on the show. He's not necessarily how I pictured Theon looking, but he really does portray the emotions and inner dialogue of the character better than a lot of the actors. I enjoy him and Peter Dinklage quite a lot.
Amber wrote: "Oh, I know, when I figured out [spoilers removed] I was shocked, I went back and read it even like...Holy Crap...how did I miss this?I kinda figured they just didn't want to loose Alfie Allen so..."
I know! I know why they are introducing it now so we can see it happen as opposed to be a total shock but it was still a bit annoying!
What I wonder is what they will do with Bran.The kid is going to age, my guess is they'll do the same as with Theon and speed up his storyline so he doesn't look like an adult by the time they reach him going past the wall.
I was kind of annoyed with the Theon part, but it was also because that annoyed me in the book as well, since it was one of my least favorite parts of Dance it was annoying to see it in the series too.
oh man, yah, the kid who plays Bran is growing up fast. It's cool to watch as an outside observer, but kinda sucks for the tv show.What did you guys think about not seeing Cold Hands? I was expecting to meet him at the end of the Finale with Sam and Bran, but...nadda.
Really hoping that shows up in the premiere or something next season because I just can't imagine they'd cut that out.
I was actually a bit let down at the omission of cold hands. It's not as if it would've been a huge commitment, they could've shown any arbitrary extra dressed up, face covered, etc. Could've cast him for next season. Even if they just showed him in the back ground during the scene with the flock of crows I would have been happy with the foreshadowing. But instead nothing. They teased it and nothing. Confusing choice.
The Bran chapters and the Bran storyline in the show are the ones I like the least, so I don't mind if they get him out of the way soon lol
Yah, thats what I thought Josh. He really didn't have to be cast yet, since he doesn't even show his face.But some ominous looming figure in the background would have been a great leave off and maybe kept up the talk on the show for a bit longer after the finale.
Then again, it would have been A LOT better if they had made Sam "The Slayer" in episode one instead of halfway through the season in a scene where no other Black Brother will ever know that he killed an actual Other...*facepalm*
I'm also just not impressed with Arya's stabbing scene, I really hope they have another where she kills the ACTUAL Tickler and goes all crazy.
Is there any gold hidden in the village?
The tickler is already dead, killed by one of Arya's wishes she made with jaqen in the HBO series, so if the Inn scene is to take place new villians will have to be used. I think HBO intends to keep the hound around.
OMG -I don't remember that at all.
How sad. That was one of my favorite Arya scenes, showed her mental trauma so well.
If HBO keeps The Hound, can we take that as a confirm he isn't dead? I'd so love that.
I figured the Frey-stabbing scene replaced the Tickler-stabbing one. Are they really going to have her madly stabbing another person? Perhaps she'd be the one to kill Polliver?
I'd love to see the Hound sticking around after Arya leaves him and see him transforming into some priestly type, but that would ruin/reveal yet another GRRM mystery.
Also, let's say the inn scene does take place; that shouldn't take much more than one episode - what are we going to see of Arya next?
I heard rumors that we might get to see her Braavos arc from book 4...
the problem with have the scene at the inn with polliver and the tickler is those characters were downplayed so much in the second season, they'd have virtually no bearing on the series. most (non-readers) would be confused and struggle to remember some one-off extra from season two that only appeared in one or two scenes. my guess is if they reframe the scene for tv, they'll either make it some nobody that tries to rob the hound while he's drunk, or make it a more prominent character like say thoros or anguy recognizing arya and trying to steal her back.
I hope I am not alone on this but I had a little theory that HBO shattered and then GRRM confirmed:Since there was no witness point of view and no real description of the red wedding and Rob's death I was hoping that he was a hostage and would reappear.
In the books all that was said was that a wolf's head was stitched to his body but nobody actually saw his head and Roose never said outright "yeah I finished him off".
Somewhere GRRM acknowledged that the scene was exactly how he had imagined the Red Wedding (minus Rob's wife in there) so I guess that killed my little theory.
Was I a lone whacko on this or someone else had the little hope that Rob could be around and reappear like Theon did?
Man, it just irks me that scene was cut. For me, it was the moment Arya's List came to life, since Arya's prayer is one of my favorite things about her entire character, it's just too bad in my opinion.Obviously the producers/writers and I have differing opinions of what was important character build.
@Manuel, I never really thought that... LOL.
But I have thought (and obviously this is complete speculation) that in the "old days" of Westeros, when there was a King in the North, all of them had to be buried at Winterfell, and all of them had to be "sealed" in there tombs by iron swords. Robb is the first King of The North (or King of Winter) we have heard of that has not had this practice occur. So maybe with magic resurfacing and getting stronger, plus the fact that Rob and Greywind were wargs, that they might come back to life during Winter kinda like R'hllor Zombies, but more similarities with Others...
Okay...maybe that was confusing...its hard for me to convey this thought process...
Haha yeah I know my theory is super crazy, it's just that outside of the Hound and Rob we have had first person view of every major character death. So I had this little hope that they were alive somehow, like Theon, who I assumed was dead and ta-da, he is not.
What about Catelyn's POV?
Stephen wrote: "No I was not happy. No Belwas?! No Whitebeard beating the u know what out of Mero?! And Daario a Second Son?! Makes no sense if you are like me and have read all the books and know the story arc...."
That completely bothered me too.In the show,I was waiting for Strong Belwas.He was a favorite.
That completely bothered me too.In the show,I was waiting for Strong Belwas.He was a favorite.
Oh and,A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb. “Jaime Lannister sends his regards.” He thrust his longsword through her son’s heart, and twisted.
If they go by the books the Hound can't stay alive.
Thats not true at all Charlton, just think about it a bit.Our last encounter with the Hound he is not dead, only dying. If he recieved medical attention quickly enough he could easily have lived.
I also believe it's mentioned that when Elder Brother finds him Sandor is still alive. A lot of people believe Sandor had a change of heart after meeting and being cared for by the monks and that is why Elder Brother says "THE HOUND is dead" Not Sandor Clegane is dead.
I believe there is a suspiciously large novice in the company as well.
It's a fan theory, one of the few I actually like. Plus, we've seen that faking deaths isn't a fresh idea or anything for this series. LOL
Surely he died,there is a gravesite with his helm on it.
I too thought the tale of the Hound has meet a whimpered end, but I pause because of a comment by GRRM that the story arc of some characters to change because of the actors who have portray them. Osha and Tywin come to mind. Arya was Tywin"s cup bearer rather than Roose Bolton as in the book. That was done to give The actor more scenes. The same is true for Osha. It is not unreasonable that the Hound original demise have been changed due to the HBO's producers desire to keep the hound around.
Okay,that was a very good explanation.
Although it does not make me like what HBO is doing to the books.
Although it does not make me like what HBO is doing to the books.
i don't think the sandor died in the books, and in fact it's almost certain he did not.
I think they've done a pretty good job with it under the circumstances. I hated the way they concluded season 3. It should have either ended with the Red Wedding or finished the entire book. The last episode was just filler for no good reason at all, virtually none of which was in the book.
Charlton wrote: "Okay,that was a very good explanation.Although it does not make me like what HBO is doing to the books."
The most convincing reasons for Sandor still being alive in the books are contained in the books.
The following link outlines some of the points regarding this theory (spoiler warning don't click if you haven't read AFFC yet!)
Gravedigger theories
And re not liking what HBO is doing to the books, the books haven't been written yet, so it's a bit early to get upset over what HBO did to them :)
Jon wrote: "Charlton wrote: "Okay,that was a very good explanation.
Although it does not make me like what HBO is doing to the books."
The most convincing reasons for Sandor still being alive in the books are..."
To be honest five of the books have been written,right now their focus is on just the first three.
Although the Gravedigger theories makes valid points.
Although it does not make me like what HBO is doing to the books."
The most convincing reasons for Sandor still being alive in the books are..."
To be honest five of the books have been written,right now their focus is on just the first three.
Although the Gravedigger theories makes valid points.
Charlton wrote: "Surely he died,there is a gravesite with his helm on it."There are graves for Bran, Rickon, and Aegon as well.
Like I said, its just a theory, but it was around way before HBO ever got involved, so I wouldn't lay the blame squarely on them if it turns out to be true in the show. It would just be them pandering to readers, trying to perk our interest. GRRM could easily make it work either way in the story, he has enough opening to pull off a convincing revival.
Honestly, I think Aegon had less wiggle room than Sandor and that didn't seem to stop him at all.
Charlton wrote: "[...]To be honest five of the books have been written,right now their focus is on just the first three.[...]"I think I misunderstood you then. I thought you meant the show causes GRRM to change the books.
i think he was referencing a quote where grrm mentioned he was expanding osha's character in the upcoming books because he was so impressed with natalie tena's performance. that i think is the only likely change you'll ever see in the books as a result of the show. and, it's a bit minor at that.
Looks like we might be talking about a different person.Regardless, I still think it's premature to evaluate stuff that hasn't been published yet.
it will depend of how they are going the make season 4.. I think that if they splitted the third book in two seasons (3rd and 4th) it will be good.. but if they use season 4 to show facts from the third and fourth book it would be kind disapointing for me
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