The 5th Wave
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Evan Walker is Creepy, Right?
I personally loved him and his creepiness! I think it makes him an interesting character. I don't always enjoy love triangles. But if done right I think this one could be a lot of fun to watch play out
Priscila wrote: "Emma Jane wrote: "I did not like Evan I just thought he was weird. Ben was one of my favorite characters and I hope he and Cassie are together in the Infinite Sea. PLEASE DON'T LET EVAN COME BACK!!..."Exactly. Like you said, The 5th Wave was interesting enough and I think if Evan was left out and Cassie and Ben were together through most of the story the book would have been equally if not more compelling.
Well said! I completely agree with you. It liked the fact that the aliens weren't the typical green things with flying saucers. It's funny how one character, in this case, creepy Evan, can ruin almost ruin the book. It'll be interesting to see what happens in The Infinite Sea.
Tiare wrote: "Am I the only one who thought that Even Walker was creepy as all get out? I mean, he really freaked me out. What with bathing her while she was unconscious (and changing her clothes--including her ..."She didn't meant that she actually didn't want him to kiss her. She obviously liked it and Evan knew that. I don't think he would have pushed it any further if she really didn't want to. What she meant by ''Don't kiss me '' was that she didn't want to let herself go to her desires and he wasn't helping. She was scared of the repercussions. But she did wishe he would kiss her. It shows by the writhing. Evan only decided to make the first step when he saw that she wouldn't do it herself but was interested in him. Nothing creepy about that.
As for the changing her clothes stuff. He did it so that she wouldn't stay in her dirty clothes and her wounds wouldn't infect. He had to clean her up or she wouldn't have survived. Again, nothing creepy about that.
But I do agree that the whole washing her hair thing and reading her diary was really weird.
Priscila wrote: "Emma Jane wrote: "Well said! I completely agree with you. It liked the fact that the aliens weren't the typical green things with flying saucers. It's funny how one character, in this case, creepy ..."Ha... yeah I'm hoping things will turn around in the next book but all the same I think more people are on team Evan and I am seriously hoping the author did not consider this before writing the next book...
Oh well, as you said it would be too bad to see another YA book lost because of a love triangle, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed :)
Yeah when you say it like that...I guess I agree. Rick probably tought it was sort of sweet when he wrote it? How he takes care of her and all? But it just comes out as creepy.
Wow. I don't think this topic is for me. I'm reading such harsh stuff about Evan that is so unwarranted. To me he is such a sweet, considerate guy. I mean he betrayed his own race for the girl for crying out out loud. Yes he killed people but he was a solider in a war and did what he had the heart to do. Do you call people in the army murderers because they follow orders? And everyone is holding it against him because he is kind of weird and doesn't behave like your typical Mr.Popular high school Ben parish type. Cassie is not going to end up with Ben because obviously Rick Yancey had two couples, not a love triangle, in mind when writing the book: Ben and Ringer, and Cassie and Evan. I don't get why people are trying to push Cassie to be with Ben. I'm not one of those people who thinks that a character should be with someone just because I like that person over the other option. Cassie should be with whoever she wants to be with, regardless of what anyone thinks.
Yay, I agree. Sweet guy:)
Priscila wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Wow. I don't think this topic is for me. I'm reading such harsh stuff about Evan that is so unwarranted. To me he is such a sweet, considerate guy. I mean he b..."I din't mean to say that the topic is not for me as in that I hate the topic. I think the topic's great. I commented earlier saying that I did find him to be creepy but I still liked him as a character. I just realized that most people on this topic don't like Evan and since it bothers me so much the things that are being said I'm not going to rant and rave about it but just excuse myself from the conversation.
And I think there are many instances that prove why people like me love Evan:
- the whole betraying his people is relevant to me because it shows how he was able to step back and see how wrong his alien race's view of humans were and how his love and respect for Cassie was the deciding factor in realizing that human beings deserve a lot more than just being exterminated. He grew from being a Silencer at the beginning of the book, to a champion for the human race. That shows moral growth and someone who can admit their wrongs and try to learn from them is awesome by my book. That's why I like Evan, not because he's hot or sexy or something just as shallow.
I wasn't weirded out with him washing her when she was unconscious. Someone else pointed out that it was for health reasons. I can't remember how many days she was unconscious but I do know she was near death from a gunshot wound to her leg and hypothermia so him changing her out of her cold wet clothes, cleaning her wounds, and making sure she was comfortable in clean dry clothes wasn't creepy or sexy. I just saw it the way I would see a doctor doing the same thing.
And I was only drawing a reference to the war thing because some people pointed out him killing people and shooting Cassie as a reason he was creepy or why they didn't like him. I know it's not the same thing.
Anyway, I really don't have any hard feelings with anyone who dislikes Evan or thinks he's creepy. Heck, I read some comments from people who hate Cassie and she is my girl. Agree to disagree is what I say, No harm done.
Still Love Evan though. :)
Priscila wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Wow. I don't think this topic is for me. I'm reading such harsh stuff about Evan that is so unwarranted...."I know part of it what supposed to be for health reasons, but as Priscila wrote I don't think that was really the proper way for Cassie and Evan to meet. Evan's actions were really the problem; if they had met some other way that wasn't weird or uncomfortable I think my feelings for Evan would change.
The fact that Evan was an alien did not bother me whatsoever. He betrayed his kind to help Cassie. But...he was a kind of creeper who was watching at the door and didn't want her to leave and all of those other things that may be seen as sweet and loving and "aww he cares about her so MUCH!!" but I guess it's just my opinion but I see it as violating Cassie's space and feelings. He wouldn't even tell her the truth about him when they met. I don't know...just being strangers I don't see how Evan could act like he did with Cassie.
So sorry. I'm all for Ben and I think he and Cassie should be together.
Ugh, I completely agree. Creepy! I think many people here have forgotten the fact that he stalked and hunted her like prey. He read her diary while he was hunting her. And then after getting to know her in a creepy stalker way he shot her after killing three other people when he supposedly already had feelings for her. And then he left her under that car to bleed out. If she had run he was going to shoot her and finish the job. And then he continued to stalk her, deciding to save her only when she was on the brink of death. A death that he would have been responsible for. It's not really saving if you are the cause of it.And the defense that she totally wanted him to kiss her is irrelevant. That's what rapists say. No is no. He should not have kissed her after she said no. Also I can understand him cleaning her up, but removing her underwear... That was not necessary. It was extremely creepy considering he already had feelings for her. The idea of someone bathing me while I'm unconscience is creepy enough, but if it was a nurse or a doctor that's one thing. But a guy who likes me bathing my naked body? No freaking way! At several points she even says he makes her feel creeped out. She admits that if he had been someone like Crisco (I think that was his name) she would have thought he was a pervert, but because he was hot it was okay. He also manipulated her emotions. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear. His whole made up story about his past was completely fabricated to manipulate her into a) believing he's human and b) making her fall in love with him. Remember they had been studying humans for thousands of years. He knew exactly what would work on a teenage girl. That's something else that thoroughly creepy. This dude (not really a dude, computer program more like) is at least thousands of years old. Of all the women he could have fallen for in this time while doing his creepy owl spying, he falls in love at first sight with a 16 year old girl that he says barely looks 14? Eww! Pedophile. Really, really, really old pedophile. Creepy stalking, human-hunting, doesn't take no for an answer, manipulative ancient pedophile. Disgusting. Oh and don't get me started on the creepiness of "absorbing" that poor human boy. Add parasite to the creepy list. Seriously what did he ever do to deserve being destroyed? He was an innocent child. And is the human boy aware of what's happening? If so, how incredibly sad. Being conscience while some other being confiscates your body?
But you know what the worst thing to me is? Even after he "saved" her he continued to stalk and kill other humans. While she was sleeping he was out hunting human beings like wild animals. I've always said that all hunters must be a little unhinged to be able to stalk and shoot an innocent, defenseless animal and then watch while it dies. He did that to human beings. Children. Old people. Like they didn't even matter. That's incredibly creepy. It's one thing if the person is trying to kill you. But to shoot a child who is only guilty of inconveniently living on the planet you want to claim for yourself?
Whitney wrote: "When you have a guy who is willing to die for you, and loves you beyond terms, and decide to snuggle with a high school jock that didn't know you existed."Ben risked his life for her. He went back and saved her when he could have just jumped in the Humvee. He also risked his life to save Sammy. And everyone in his squad. Plus, he didn't go around stalking and murdering innocent people. And why should he have known she existed? She only spoke to him once. They did not have mutual friends. It sounded like they went to a pretty big school. I went to a very small school and even I barely remember some of the kids I went to school with since kindergarten.
I've never read this book. I might get back to the topic when I do.
Priscila wrote: "I just hope you, and all the other girls on here that agree with you and love Evan, understand that it hurts you as an audience more than it does the male audience of this book because the negative implications of this book (like Evan being creepy) primarily affect women.Misogyny primarily affects women. It hurts a society overall when women are left out. It is not beneficial for men or women, but misogyny primarily targets women.
Thinking that Evan's behavior is cute is dangerous for you, because it blurs the lines of things like consent.
For example the way that you could care less about consent because it's not respected through media like books, movies, television shows etc. "
Yes! Thank you!
Let's play a game. What would you rather?1. You've been shot in the leg! You're bleeding to death, there's some sniper silencer after you and now you're stuck in a snow drift also dying from hypothermia. Is that the light at the end of the tunnel? You pass out. Fade to black.
When you wake up, would you rather:
a) Find yourself covered in a warm blanket, still fully dressed in your filthy, sweat soaked, blood stained clothing that you've been living in for days and not to mention rolling around in under abandoned cars on the highway. The only part of your anatomy that the gentlemanly savior next you has touched is the wound and the no more than one inch diameter area around it.
OR
b)Find yourself covered in a warm blanket, freshly dressed in clean comfortable clothing and fully stripped of the filthy, sweat soaked, blood stained clothing that you've been living in for days and not to mention rolling around in under abandoned cars on the highway. The kind of creepy savior next to you having thoroughly cleansed you from head to toe.
2. You're recovering from your injuries. You're a bit clumsy moving around and you have the tendency to be a bit accident prone.
Would you rather:
a) The gentlemanly savior respect your personal space and stay away from you while you teach yourself how to move about again even if it means falling on your ass a few times.
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior to keep an eye on you even after you've called him out on his "Lurking" tendencies. He just won't give you room to breathe, but best believe he'd be there to catch you when you fall.
3.You're about to go on a suicide mission. You know that it will most likely mean your untimely demise but what you don't know is the full extent of the situation your walking into. Your savior dude knows though and he insists you don't leave y'alls safe haven.
Would you rather:
a)The gentlemanly savior respect your wishes and let you do what you damn well please thank you very much!!
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior do everything in his power from watching you make a stupid decision that can only end with you in a body bag.
And lastly
4. You have feelings for this savior dude. But you're scared. You've taught yourself not to trust anyone in this cold cold world. He's leaning in for a kiss, you tell him quite clearly, no, stop....
Would you rather:
a)The gentlemanly savior to promptly step back, and leave the room. You said no dammit!!
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior to lean right in and give you a kiss to end all kisses, showing you that 'no, you don't have to be scared of the way you feel girl. I got you.'
If you answered A at least three out four times, you could never like a guy like Evan. Don't even try. If you answered B at least three out of four times, you're a creepster - loving girl like me. *waves hi.
Let's move on ladies and agree to disagree.
Joann, brilliant is all I can say to all of your answers here. *creepster-loving girl waves hi back*
YES VERY MUCH SO! When Ben and Cassie met up again, it was such a huge relief, especially because Ben had gotten to know Cassie's little brother and that was just really cute!
Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "YES VERY MUCH SO! When Ben and Cassie met up again, it was such a huge relief, especially because Ben had gotten to know Cassie's little brother and that was just really cute!"I fel..."
Oh my god, at the beginning of his POV. I didn't even know who he was so I would practically just skip huge parts of it and when I finally realized that Zombie was Ben, I was like what? what have I done? why did I skip all that? And I went back and read his POVs again!
Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "YES VERY MUCH SO! When Ben and Cassie met up again, it was such a huge relief, especially because Ben had gotten to know Cassie's little brother and tha..."Totally! It's just so revealing to see what a character feels and how they go about in certain situations. Ben was one of my favorite characters because not only was his POVs filled with action, it was also filled with emotions and selflessness.
Priya wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "YES VERY MUCH SO! When Ben and Cassie met up again, it was such a huge relief, especially because Ben had gotten to know Cassie's littl..."Lol, I also love how it says "Priscilla wrote: Priya wrote..."
Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "Priscila wrote: "Priya wrote: "YES VERY MUCH SO! When Ben and Cassie met up again, it was such a huge relief, especially because Ben had gotten to know ..."Haha thank you that means a lot since I'm new here and I'm not really good with this kind of stuff. And totally!
Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Let's play a game. What would you rather?"Yours was very biased and taken out of context. I fixed it for you. You are welcome. My changes are in bold.
1. You've been shot in the leg! You're bleeding to death, there's some sniper silencer after you and now you're stuck in a snow drift also dying from hypothermia. Is that the light at the end of the tunnel? You pass out. Fade to black.
When you wake up, would you rather:
a) Find yourself covered in a warm blanket, dressed in clean comfortable clothing and cleaned of all grime, sweat soaked, blood stained clothing that you've been living in for days and not to mention rolling around in under abandoned cars on the highway. The gentlemanly savior next to you, who shot you after stalking you,reading your diary, and watching you while you slept alone in the woods, respectfully left your underwear on to avoid crossing any lines since he knows he has romantic feelings for you and removing all of your clothes while you are unconscious could make you feel uncomfortable.
OR
b)Find yourself covered in a warm blanket, freshly dressed in clean comfortable clothing and fully stripped of the filthy, sweat soaked, blood stained clothing that you've been living in for days and not to mention rolling around in under abandoned cars on the highway. The kind of creepy savior next to you having thoroughly cleansed your “completely naked body” from head to toe while you were unconscience. Your wound was inflicted by him when he shot you in an attempt to kill you. While stalking you like prey he developed a crush on you after reading your diary and watching you while you slept alone in the woods..
2. You're recovering from your injuries that your savior inflicted when he tried to kill you. You're a bit clumsy moving around and you have the tendency to be a bit accident prone.
Would you rather:
a) The gentlemanly savior respect your personal space after you have asked him to and informed him that you can do it yourself. He realizes that women are capable of knowing what they want and he doesn't force his macho savior complex upon you. You can always yell for help if you really need him.
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior to keep an eye on you even after you've called him out on his "Lurking" tendencies and asked him to leave repeatedly. He just won't give you room to breathe, but believes that he knows best and you are incapable of knowing what you want or need.
3.You're about to go on a suicide mission. You know that it will most likely mean your untimely demise but what you don't know is the full extent of the situation your walking into. Your savior dude knows though and he insists you don't leave y'alls safe haven.
Would you rather:
a)The gentlemanly savior respect your wishes and let you do what you please because he respects the boundaries you have set in order to keep yourself safe. He believes that you mean what you say and are capable of making your own decisions. He voices his concerns about your plans and lets you know that he is worried about you and will be there if you want him to help, but ultimately leaves the decision up to you.
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior do everything in his power to keep you from doing anything by yourself or making your own decisions because he believes he knows what's best for you whether you agree with him or not, even though he's only known you for a few weeks. He threatens to follow you everywhere if you leave and tells you that you have no choice in the matter.
And lastly
4. You have feelings for this savior dude. But you're scared. You've taught yourself not to trust anyone in this cold cold world. He's leaning in for a kiss, you tell him quite clearly, no, stop....
Would you rather:
a)The gentlemanly savior respect your answer and instead of kissing you, he sits by your side and tells you that everything will okay and he is there for you if you need him. He doesn't push the issue because he knows you need more time and he believes that when you say “no”, you mean “no”. He wouldn't want to do anything to make you feel unsafe or uncomfortable.
OR
b) The kind of creepy savior to lean right in and kiss you, even though you said no more than once. He doesn't believe that you really mean it, because he thinks he knows what you want better than you do. Once again he believes you are incapable of making your own decisions and needs him to make them for you.
If you answered A at least three out four times after realizing that your “savior” is an assassin whose job is to hunt and kill every human on earth, who has already tried and nearly succeeded in killing you, you may have an unhealthy lack of concern for your personal safety. If you answered B at least three out of four times, after realizing that your “savior” is an assassin whose job is to hunt and kill every human on earth who has already tried and nearly succeeded in killing you, you may have an unhealthy lack of concern for your personal safety. You may want to consider finding information about setting and enforcing personal boundaries. You may also want to educate yourself about unhealthy relationships.
Disclosure: I am not a therapist, this is nothing but friendly concern about how popular culture romanticizes unhealthy relationships. Please, be careful as many of Evan's qualities are potential red flags for an abusive personality. Be safe. If you are in an abusive relationship, please get help. It is not your fault. You did nothing to deserve it.
Priscila wrote: "Emma wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Let's play a game. What would you rather?"Yours was very biased and taken out of context. I fixed it for you. You are welcome. My changes are in..."
Thanks :)
Emma wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Let's play a game. What would you rather?"Yours was very biased and taken out of context. I fixed it for you. You are welcome. My changes are in bold.
1. Yo..."
To be completely honest, I only read your disclosure at the bottom. You don't need to worry about my safety. I am not in any kind of relationship currently and I would never be in an abusive relationship. I'm not built that way. Thanks for your concern though, as sarcastic as it was.
Like I said in my comment. Agree to disagree. I have no issue with people thinking Evan was creepy. Why are people so offended with others thinking he's not?
And also I find it very interesting how liking one character from one fictional book makes me susceptible to an abusive relationship. You don't know me like that and its kind of in bad form to attack someone personally based on their opinions on a book. Whatever I said to defend Evan, I never insulted anyone personally, even in the supposed-to-be-funny-game comment I left earlier I said that if you answered A to most that just meant Evan was not your type of guy.
Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "And also I find it very interesting how liking one character from one fictional book makes me susceptible to an abusive relationship. You don't know me like that and its kind of in bad form to atta..."Priscilla covered it nicely. I wasn't directing that at you. Liking a character from a fictional book doesn't make a person susceptible to an abusive relationship. I have no problem with you or anyone else liking Evan. There were parts of the book when I even liked him. The problem comes when girls (or boys) idealize unhealthy behavior and look for that when choosing a romantic partner. Society romanticizing unhealthy behavior may give a victim the idea that it is them who is the problem, not the abuser. After all, society says that this behavior is desirable and acceptable. I'm sure it was not your intention, but your post did that. It told girls that his behavior was something to look for in a potential boyfriend. That is dangerous. My comment at the end was directed at anyone who finds themselves either starting a relationship with someone who displays these possessive, controlling, and predatory traits or who is in an abusive relationship and needs to know that it is not their fault. It was for anyone who said "no" but were told they "wanted" it or were "asking" for it. Being kissed, touched, or forced to have sex when they have said "no" is not okay. It is a crime. It is not their fault. They need to be told that. And your statement that you "are not built that way" shows your lack of knowledge about this subject. It insinuates that the victim is somehow to blame, which is completely false. No one is "built" to be abused. Anyone can be abused. Anyone. Strong or weak, rich or poor, smart or not so smart.
My disclosure at the bottom was not sarcastic. It was 100% heartfelt.
Emma, I respect your opinion and see where your coming from even if I disagree with it in the specific circumstance of Evan and Cassie.I have seen domestic abuse up close and I think that's what makes me not see Cassie and Evan's relationship that way. When you've dealt with the aftermath of the real thing it's hard to throw around such heavy words as abuse at the slightest situation. Creepy, I can see. Abusive? No. When you've seen the bruises and black eyes and broken body parts; the fear of talking to this person or of wearing certain types of clothing, its hard to find myself worried about Evan's actions, the worst way I could describe it as being somewhat misguided and a tad bit over the top when it came to Cassie's safety.
There are certain character traits that make both women and men susceptible to STAYING in abusive relationships but that sure as hell does not mean they deserve it. No one does.
If a guy ever laid his hands on me I would lack the good sense to immediately contact the
cops or a friend or even to lay low until it's safe to leave. I would quite foolishly engage myself in a fight that I have no shot winning. I'm stubbourn that way but that's just me. So you see, no one needs to worry about me in that regard.
Anyway, going a bit off topic I do like how it's been pointed out that there are a lot of YA books that seem to condone abusive behavior, and in the case of what you said, Emma, engage in victim blaming.I read a YA dystopian book this year called Enclave in which the protagonist, after having to team up with the leader of a gang (that kidnapped, raped, and forced girls to have their children), and one of their victims, says "part of me hated what he allowed the others to do to her, but the other part of me wondered why she hadn't fought to the death."
And this gang leader is part of the love triangle in the book might I add.
That's disgusting. That's the type of writting that needs to be put to a stop in YA books. It says that a woman is at fauly for being raped because it means she didn't fight hard enough. WTF?
Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Emma, I respect your opinion and see where your coming from even if I disagree with it in the specific circumstance of Evan and Cassie.I have seen domestic abuse up close and I think that's what..."
I didn't say that Evan was abusive. I said that some of his behavior is a potential red flag for an abusive personality. I don't throw the word abuse around lightly. Without going into details, I was abused as a child. I've experienced the bruises, broken body parts and fear. And I've seen others go through it. You never know what you would do until it happens to you. No one thinks that they would ever stay with their abuser. There really is no type that stays. That is a misconception. Everyone thinks that they would leave. Everyone thinks that they would fight back. Everyone. The little things that Evan did? That's how it starts. It doesn't begin with insults and hits. It starts small and builds. If it had been one isolated act I would not be so disgusted with Evan. But he repeatedly showed controlling behavior. He repeatedly showed disrespect for her clearly stated personal boundaries. This is deeply disturbing because within a few weeks he has already established a pattern of this behavior. I find it extremely disturbing that anyone would find these particular qualities romantic or cute.
One of my best friend's stepfather is extremely controlling. She couldn't even cut her hair without his approval. Evan's behavior reminds me of him. He always knows what's best for everyone else. He's doing it for their safety. They wouldn't survive without him. We were once stranded at a friend's house in a flash flood. We were perfectly safe, the water was no where near the house and it had already stopped rising. But he risked her life and dragged her across hip high rushing water. He claimed he did it to rescue her because he didn't want her to die. But in reality he did it because he couldn't stand not being in control. When she decided to move out when she was 19, he tried to shoot her. He was arrested and then released. He stalked her. He destroyed her car. He set her workplace on fire. He eventually left her alone, but it could have been much, much worse. I am aware that Evan is a fictional character and I doubt the author will make him be abusive in future novels. But finding it cute in real life is dangerous. Looking at a character who acts like this and saying, "I want a man like that" is dangerous. More women are killed when leaving an abusive partner than at any other point in the relationship. This is why it is so important to be aware of the subtle signs in the beginning of a relationship. So many women never get a chance to leave.
Emma wrote: "Joann H (Queen and Lionheart) wrote: "Emma, I respect your opinion and see where your coming from even if I disagree with it in the specific circumstance of Evan and Cassie.I have seen domestic ..."
I never looked at it that way. I can see now how that type of behavior can escalate into something dangerous in real life.
As long as those reading the book understand that it's just fiction and its meant to be fun at the end of the day and know how to look for potential harmful behavior in real life then everything's fine.
but that's what makes him alien, right? perhaps, he doesn't know it's wrong to read one's dairy. I meant, he did tell her too that he thought she died. one creepy thing I can think of is that he shoot her leg but that is also what he has to do too, isn't it?. he took her home and took care of her, that is what matters most.
I think evan is a complex character and it will suck if he really died at the enc of the first book...
I agree that Evan crossed the line several times. I also think that he is too attached to Cassie, and he comes across as overbearing. Like at that part at the end of the book where he puts his hand over Cassie's heart "...like it belongs to him..." And he tells Cassie several times that he loves her, even though she never says the same to him, he continues to push himself on her. On the other hand, Ben is an amazing, dynamic character. In terms of character development, he has some of the best I've ever read. It's adorable how much he cares about the people around him- especially Sammy. He basically adopts Sammy as his brother. I love him to death. Also, he and Cassie had a very natural back and forth, shchi I didn't see with Evan or Ringer.
Priscila wrote: "That's the problem. This discussion is proof that that understanding doesn't exist. And that behavior is not fun, and that's not what it's meant to be. I bet Rick Yancey was pretty serious when he wrote out Evan and Cassie's relationship. Hence, the fact that it's a real problem."I absolutely agree with you, Priscila.
How many girls do you think read this book and thought, "My boyfriend's behavior is okay. Evan is the same way and people love him." Probably, a lot more than we realize. We already saw a lot of girls on this thread saying they wanted a boy like Evan. Girls who said that his behavior was romantic. And how many boys do you think hear all of this and think, "It's okay to treat a girl like that because that's what they want." The truth is media does affect us far more than we realize. In psychology class, we learned about how effective media can be in influencing society. That doesn't just apply to fashion. Sometimes it's a positive influence. For example, the impact Uncle Tom's Cabin had on the abolition movement. Other times it's bad. Such as the popularization of certain stereotypes presented in the same book that still exist today.
The 5th Wave is not going to impact the world like Uncle Tom's Cabin did. But it adds to the million little ways media affects our view of abuse. As long as media presents that behavior as positive, abuse is going to persist.
Emma wrote: "I didn't say that Evan was abusive."When I wrote this, I forgot about the kiss. He kissed her when she explicitly said no. That is the definition of sexual assault. It's disturbing to me that so many people on here brushed that off, claiming that she "wanted it." How did Evan know she "wanted it"? He either didn't care, or he made assumptions that he had no right to make. That's along the lines of a rapist saying that a woman "wanted it" because she was flirty or dressed provocatively. It is hard enough for someone to come forward and report sexual assault. Consent is already an area where there is a lot of ambiguity in our society. We don't need books like this presenting assault positively.
The mindset that Evan is "romantic" and "loving" is not healthy. It is the same way as saying "You know, I thought my stalker was creepy at first but then I realized how dedicated he is to me. He must really love me". It is not okay in anyway. She told him to stop kissing her and he didn't. She told him to leave and he didn't. He undressed her while she was unconscious when he could have treated the wound without leaving her naked. How would you feel if a guy, no matter how attractive he is, saw your naked body without your permission? I can't believe Cassie finds it within herself to have feelings for him, it IS Stockholm Syndrome.
I found a fanfiction that took away that sense of creepiness for Evan, Maybe it'll do the same for you? It is incomplete. It's the only fic I've found so far about this book though. You should read it and see if it changes your mind. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10257492...
Molly wrote: "I found a fanfiction that took away that sense of creepiness for Evan, Maybe it'll do the same for you? It is incomplete. It's the only fic I've found so far about this book though. You should read..."Just read the infinite sea and you'll see that he's not as creepy as you think!
I love Evan! He is not creepy, given the circumstances! Maybe the way they met wasn't exactly "normal" but the world had gone to shit so why not? I just love his personality, in the beginning, I did have my doubts but after reading Infinite Sea, I am team Evan all the way! <3 I personally don't want Ben to be with Cassie! Just no, if he didn't want her in high school when the world wasn't taken over by aliens, he sure as hell can't have her now! **SPOILER**
-EVAN IS ACTUALLY HUMAN (if you've read infinite sea) so I think their relationship is actually perfect given the circumstances.
Team Eviopeia :D #shipped
I admit I was a bit creeped too, but in regards to him bathing and dressing her: she was DYING. He had to do those things. If he hadn't she probably would have died. Okay, no. She would have definitely died.In regards to when she is better: No, Evan should not have kissed her, but I was never certain if Cassie really didn't want him to. That does NOT justify him kissing her, of course, but I was confused because Cassie is so badass she would have found a way to hurt him. Needless to say, her feelings for him until he left her for the last time really confused me.
I have to write this because I have to get this out: I was so disappointed when Cassie crumpled when she had a gun pointed at Evan's face and his words convinced her to trust him, even though she knew the truth. I found it hard to believe she'd crack so easily after all the crap she had been through. Out of character in my opinion, Mr. Yancey.
Anyways... I like Evan overall, and believe he has redeemed himself. Although Cassie should have made him pay for his advances more.
Maybe Evan if this crazy, but let 's see from their side1.Ishalf human half alien and do not know what to do
2.He has seen Cassie in a while so who knows, at least from afar
3.She becomes essential if the choose a side.
And long I have not seen in books at the sweet boy who loves from the beginning and does not do bully XD for Love
But Im just saying
I don't think he's creepy, only when he/his spirit like goes into her body... that was a little weird.. Despise that he is sooooooooooo adorable and perfect *-*
I have super conflicted feelings about Evan. On one hand, I really ship him and Cassie, just because he cares so much about her, and on the other, I kind of think he is creepy.However, I still perfer them together over Ben and Cassie because I don't want a love triangle, and Ben never even noticed Cassie before.
I really liked Evan, I hope they'll continue to be together.
Evan was kinda creepy at points, but he cared about Cassie soooooo much, he was so nice and caring to her. He was the light that she needed in her life. So, he and her should be together forever.
Anna wrote: "I think he's super creepy too. I'm glad he's probably dead now..."
HOW COULD YOU NOT LOVE EVAN WALKER!!!??? he is perfect for Cassie, and he really does love her. He could have killed her so many times, and he didn't. He said living is about finding someone you are willing to die for. he went to the camp thinking they wouldn't come back because he loved her enough to die fighting for her and her brothers safety, and he told them to leave him, because he didn't want to risk any of them dying.
I honestly didn't understand their relationship at all and I am completely on board with the whole 'It was kinda creepy how they met' way to look at it. I was really mad throughout the whole book because for some reason I knew something bad was going to happen to him. I mean, come on, she finds a man who is perfect in every way, well besides the alien thing, there is obviously something going to happen to him.
I have read the second book people. There are spoilers below. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!
****SPOILERS****
Cassie loves Evan. No way around that. And Ringer loves this guy Razor. Honestly, I haven't read enough POV from Ben to know who he likes. He has kissed both Cassie and Ringer. I honestly don't think he likes Cassie or Ringer. I think Cassie still has a crush on Ben, but she is in love with Evan. And sorry all you Evan haters but there ain't no changing that.
-----Personal Opinion of Evan------
He is getting on my nerves. He needs to stop sacrificing himself. He is becoming more agitating and less creepy. Can he just die or something!!! I mean for real. Ugh. Throw him in a ditch!! In a nutshell, he needs to somehow collect himself or be removed. Just somehow. Bye bye Evan
XD
****SPOILERS****
Cassie loves Evan. No way around that. And Ringer loves this guy Razor. Honestly, I haven't read enough POV from Ben to know who he likes. He has kissed both Cassie and Ringer. I honestly don't think he likes Cassie or Ringer. I think Cassie still has a crush on Ben, but she is in love with Evan. And sorry all you Evan haters but there ain't no changing that.
-----Personal Opinion of Evan------
He is getting on my nerves. He needs to stop sacrificing himself. He is becoming more agitating and less creepy. Can he just die or something!!! I mean for real. Ugh. Throw him in a ditch!! In a nutshell, he needs to somehow collect himself or be removed. Just somehow. Bye bye Evan
XD
Bonny Bon Bon wrote: "i loved Evan and was angry that (SPOILER AHEAD)she ended up all snuggly with i cant really remember you, ben at the end right after Evan whom confessed his love for her and she basically returned ..."
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Anyway, I am so team Ben and yes I totally agree that Evan was kind of a creep. I hated him.
Love triangles can be annoying sometimes. Then people are always mad because this person didn't end up with this person and blah blah blah. At least there is still the possibility Cassie will be with Ben.