The Sword and Laser discussion
For your OSC problem
Katie wrote: "I did have a nice Dutch Gouda I found at Food Lion the other day though. :) "
I just picked up some dutch gouda to put in my sandwiches tomorrow.
Whereabouts Southeast Katie? I honestly don't remember my commissary having anything beyond the standard cheeses, so you have my sympathy.
Kate wrote: "I just picked up some dutch gouda to put in my sandwiches tomorrow."I just picked up some of that in Trader Joe's last weekend.
My favorites Caerphilly and the almost extinct Wensleydale.
I like Kraft Singles. They're good on Ritz crackers. With baloney. Cuz I'm upscale yo.Oh now I can't remember the sarcasm marks...^?
I'm going to make an extremely controversial statement here so brace yourselves, my fellow swords and lasers.Cheese is gross.
Dara wrote: "I'm going to make an extremely controversial statement here so brace yourselves, my fellow swords and lasers.Cheese is gross."
Let me know if you ever create a movie so that I can make the morally correct decision to not support your disgusting campaign of cheese-related hatred.
Dara wrote: "I'm going to make an extremely controversial statement here so brace yourselves, my fellow swords and lasers.Cheese is gross."
What. The. Hell?
Okay, not all cheese is gross. I am fond of mozzarella. Parmesan is okay too. But most cheese is gross.
You don't like cheese? Not even Wensleydale?
Leslie wrote: "Whereabouts Southeast Katie? I honestly don't remember my commissary having anything beyond the standard cheeses, so you have my sympathy. (I was stationed at Ft. Lee Virginia).Or maybe you mean..."
I do mean Jacksonville, but NC, not Florida. Camp Lejeune. :) No one stalk me now! I grew up in Bothell/Kenmore so just north of Seattle. My in-laws are in Florida and it is it's own world hehe.
Dara: I will try not to judge your cheese hating but I just can't comprehend it!
Haha I didn't even know there was a Jacksonville NC. Some Southern girl I turned out to be. :)No, no stalking from me. :)
Yummy Yuummy cheese. If only I could get some delivered to me in this office.
@Leslie I've never heard of Wensleydale before.
Dara wrote: " But most cheese is gross."Not Most....*All*. All Cheese is gross. Just hard-spoiled milk. bleh.
I hope for a utopian future when all cheese (and knowledge of cheese) has been eradicated from the face of the earth. I would donate big bucks to an organisation with this goal.
Dara wrote: "I'm going to make an extremely controversial statement here so brace yourselves, my fellow swords and lasers.Cheese is gross."
This is why you're always scowling in pictures.
Dara wrote: "@Leslie I've never heard of Wensleydale before."It's what Wallace (picture above in 119 provided by Neil...thanks Neil) says when he discovers that the lady he fancies does not care for cheese. :)
Zach wrote: "Dara wrote: " But most cheese is gross."Not Most....*All*. All Cheese is gross. Just hard-spoiled milk. bleh.
I hope for a utopian future when all cheese (and knowledge of cheese) has been e..."
One man's utopia is another's dystopia?
True that Katie. True that. Without cheese....there will be very boring pizza.
Leslie wrote: "Haha I didn't even know there was a Jacksonville NC. Some Southern girl I turned out to be. :)"It is the youngest city in the US because the bulk of the population is 18-22 year old Marines, and all the businesses around here tend to reflect that. Not the nicest part of NC by FAR, ha! As much as I seem to be dogging on it I am a little attached since it's my husband's and my first home together and all.
@Katie...And that means all the world. :)
This thread is getting way off topic, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it!Each culture has its own unique and somewhat weirdly beloved food, and for Canadians like myself this food surely must be poutine. What really makes poutine, in my opinion, is the cheese curds, and you absolutely must have it with real cheese curds. So bad for you, and yet so good!
I'm not Canadian; but man do I love me some poutine!
Cheese is not my favorite but I will try poutine someday. I already eat my fries with gravy because deliciousness.
Katie wrote: "I do mean Jacksonville, but NC, not Florida. Camp Lejeune. :) No one stalk me now! I grew up in Bothell/Kenmore so just north of Seattle. My in-laws are in Florida and it is it's own world hehe."That must be hard. Perhaps a cheese pilgramage is on order? :)
Young marine recruits are probably not the target audience for fine cheeses. But I could be wrong.
Zach wrote: "Dara wrote: " But most cheese is gross."
Not Most....*All*. All Cheese is gross. Just hard-spoiled milk. bleh.
I hope for a utopian future when all cheese (and knowledge of cheese) has been e..."
I agree with Katie, this would be a distopia. Just a minute, Tom, V, stop the presses, I have a new idea for a short story entitled "Gouda Gone: A World Without Cheese."
In a world word where cheese was decimated by the cosmic radiation of a crashed alien craft, one man dares to make cheese rise again!
But really, allot of foods have been fermented in some way, all alcoholic beverages to start with. Pickled anything from Dill Pickles to Kimchee (mmm), aged beef, etc.
Cheese feels gross or tastes gross? Or both? For something that just feels kind of...bleh, it tastes great!
Nathan wrote: "Katie wrote: "I do mean Jacksonville, but NC, not Florida. Camp Lejeune. :) No one stalk me now! I grew up in Bothell/Kenmore so just north of Seattle. My in-laws are in Florida and it is it's own ..."Yeah young Marines have been trained to stomach MREs...they eat anything. My husband and I are a touch older than his buddies so we are a bit like den-parents and I cook them REAL food. They do appreciate and complement it, they just don't buy it themselves that often.
There are always visits home for getting good cheese (and other food...like Thai, Brazilian, and Mexican where they don't use Velveeta...) but for a full on pilgrimage I am hoping to vacation in the UK somewhere next year. :)
I wanna read that story!
Wensleydale is like Lancashire, only inferior. :PAlso, I googled Poutine and it looks gross! I'll just take the chips and gravy. Mmmm, suddenly in the mood for a good chippy!
Thane wrote: "Cheese feels gross or tastes gross? Or both? For something that just feels kind of...bleh, it tastes great!"Can be both. I love the texture and taste of a soft mozzarella. I tried a piece of colby or something that my boyfriend had and he and his mother laughed at the face I made because it tasted so awful.
Nathan wrote: "In a world word where cheese was decimated by the cosmic radiation of a crashed alien craft, one man dares to make cheese rise again!" Hmm, chronicling the downfall of a once great and cheeseless society.
Nathan wrote: "But really, allot of foods have been fermented in some way, all alcoholic beverages to start with. Pickled anything from Dill Pickles to Kimchee (mmm), aged beef, etc. ..."
Beer == Good
Pickled Anything == BAD
Nathan wrote: "In a world word where cheese was decimated by the cosmic radiation of a crashed alien craft, one man dares to make cheese rise again!"For a hundred years, the Cheese Wars raged.
It started quietly. No-one thought much of it when the last Wensleydale shop closed its doors. If we had known then what we know today, perhaps... but no, wishful thinking won't get us anywhere. It was their first taste of blood since the rise and fall of Liederkranz, and they seized upon it with a fervor.
The fear was the worst of it. The Cheddar Riots in America, the brie fires in France, the Caravane smuggling rings in South Africa... no place on Earth was safe. The streets of Casilli ran white with provolone. And when it was over, when, as they say, the milk had curdled, there was nothing left, not so much as a Kraft single.
But this isn't the story of an end. This is the story of hope, of life that can grow and ferment and coagulate into something world changing. This is the story of The Cheesemaker.
Too bad you couldn't get that in before the S&L Anthology deadline.
Sky wrote: "Nathan wrote: "In a world word where cheese was decimated by the cosmic radiation of a crashed alien craft, one man dares to make cheese rise again!"For a hundred years, the Cheese Wars raged.
I..."
Hopefully a brave warrior will step in to stop the evil Cheesemaker. I tell you, cheese only foments destruction. Cheese-based society is doomed to fail!
Remember the sermon on the mount.... "Blessed are the cheese makers." Not to be taken literally of course :)
If you don't get the right kind of cheese on your poutine, the experience is ruined.Even more OT... curry chips! (Fries with curry sauce, oh yeah - lived off them a summer I spent in Dublin.)
Anthea wrote: "If you don't get the right kind of cheese on your poutine, the experience is ruined.Even more OT... curry chips! (Fries with curry sauce, oh yeah - lived off them a summer I spent in Dublin.)"
Fries with truffle oil are fabulous, but if I'm not going super gourmet I actually love McDonald's fries with nothing on them...as long as the batch was salted properly.
Oh my goodness. I'm beginning to wonder if he is in need of some mental healthcare. He's got quite a lot of paranoia going on.
Firstname wrote: "He's not just a homophobe, but a whackjob as well. "Par for the course with him. I don't know how much more evidence people need to see that Card is a homophobe, anti-American and a racist. This latest screed just shows again that he is frothingly batshit crazy.
Firstname wrote: "He's not just a homophobe, but a whackjob as well."Honestly, I'm not so bothered by that article. It's the American political equivalent of trolling. Sure, it's trolling to a nearly obsessive and ridiculous extent from a man who is revealing an awful lot about his character... but in and of itself that's really just "business as usual" in American politics.
Most of the arguments that people have made defending OSC actually do work pretty well for his childish and nasty diatribes. His political writing is filled with lies, hypocrisy and nonsense, but it's really just sad, attention-seeking behavior from a man who clearly is dealing with all sorts of inadequacy issues... and that's fine. Mental diarrhea has to go somewhere. Of course, nobody should bother reading it, but there's no reason someone shouldn't vent, even if that venting is so pathetic.
(It would be better channeled doing something decent for humanity, but that's a whole different level of self-awareness that takes a while to develop.)
His actual anti-civil liberties efforts are another matter.... Boycotting someone who acts out on their anti-American, crypto-fascist beliefs through participation in PACs is really a matter of basic human decency and, in the long run, a matter of self-preservation.
just dropping the link to OSC's actual essay on the web. That way everybody can read it first and decide on their own without another writer's opinion already entrenched in their minds. http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch...
Micah wrote: "just dropping the link to OSC's actual essay on the web. That way everybody can read it first and decide on their own without another writers opinion already entrenched in their minds. http://www..."
Thanks for posting that. It's pretty obvious here that a lot of people are making comments without having read the essay. Particularly what he says in the end...
"Will these things happen? Of course not. This was an experiment in fictional thinking."
I read it with the disclaimers and you gotta wonder why he wrote that to begin with. Why say things that aren't true? And if it is fiction then why insert the name of real people? He has an agenda but wants to hide it under "fictional thinking." I don't buy the disclaimer and wonder at his real purpose for writing the piece...
"Will these things happen? Of course not. This was an experiment in fictional thinking."
Disingenuous at best.
Disingenuous at best.
Alicja wrote: "I read it with the disclaimers and you gotta wonder why he wrote that to begin with. Why say things that aren't true? And if it is fiction then why insert the name of real people? He has an agenda ..."Agreed.
And I did read that comment at the end of the original essay that OSC wrote before I made my comment. His original essay still left me wondering if he is suffering from overmuch paranoia.
Jo - Card's trick is an old troll trick to evade responsibility. You can say anything, no matter how offensive or outrageous, if you follow it with "Just Kidding!!," It's juvenile bullshit.
And your ignorance is showing. Card's on record as being an outspoken, hateful homophobe who's published similar screeds in the past without his "Just Kidding" disclaimer. This isn't new and you either decided to post without even a cursory Google search or you're defending his point of view.
Maybe you feel like defending hate. I don't and I'm increasingly done with people who are. There's WAY the hell too much of it going on in our community and in the world and while we'll never get rid of all of it we don't have to tolerate it.
"Will these things happen? Of course not. This was an experiment in fictional thinking."That's not actually a disclaimer. One of OSC's consistent tactics is to drop little "I don't really mean that like it sounds" statements all over his political speech so as to have an out should his more obnoxious and obvious hate speech be called out for what it is. He's not really saying he doesn't mean what he's written, he's saying you can't hold him responsible for it because he's just thinking in writing.
His anti-gay essays are peppered with the occasional "love thy neighbor" comment just to temper the otherwise obvious nastiness and bigotry. He'll paraphrase a Biblical or social moral standard about the general good to associate his opinions with innocuous moral precepts and then dive into his anti-civil liberties arguments as if they stemmed from the same source. It's a cute rhetorical trick, but essentially a dodge.
Osho wrote: ""Will these things happen? Of course not. This was an experiment in fictional thinking." Disingenuous at best."
And yet, Card follows those words with: "But it sure sounds plausible, doesn't it?"
The thing is, it doesn't sound plausible. Card says, "Obama is, by character and preference, a dictator. He hates the very idea of compromise." Politifact says Obama has compromised on many issues.
Card says, "In his years as president, the national media have never challenged Obama on anything." Here's a couple critical articles from the left-wing Huffington Post: Obama's No-Win Press Conference Tough Love Time for Obama And does anyone remember the massive fight over "Obamacare"?
Card throws the word "dictator" around quite a bit in that essay, and claims that "Obama already acts as if the Constitution were just for show." He alleges on multiple occasions that Obama demonizes anyone who disagrees with him. (That's quite ironic, given the tone Card uses throughout the essay.) And all of this occurs before his hypothetical scenario with its pseudo-disclaimer.
Card is clearly pandering to the most paranoid of right-wingers, regardless of how seriously he takes his own words.
I'm curious, how many of you consider OSC to be an actual threat in any way? I mean, do you think he has or may gain enough followers make you feel threatened by his ability to influence the general public, or lawmakers? Do you think the average Joe Shmo has any idea who he is, beyond "that dude who wrote some books?"I'm not saying anything in support of him, but I'm pretty sure Kim Kardashian is more influential. All this media raging against him is actually raising his wuffie count, making him way more interesting and giving him more publicity, therefore giving him a wider audience.
I don't believe I have ever seen anyone, anywhere, in any aspect of the media who has power or real influence on national or state policy defend his ideas, only his right to have them. I may be wrong, I don't search him out in any way.
I'm not saying ignore him, but more like he's a little spider in a corner of a closet, no need to get out the shotgun, just keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn't breed an army.
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Books mentioned in this topic
Ender’s Game (other topics)You Can Move the Cheese!: The Role of an Effective Servant-Leader (other topics)
Who Moved My Cheese? An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life... (other topics)
That is where I encountered the brand originally too. I can sometimes find it in my local groce..."
No Costco within 3 hours of me...living on a Marine base in the southeast is quite different than growing up with Whole Foods, Pike Place Market, Trader Joes, and all that good stuff within 10-45 minutes. :/ The commissary actually does better than I expected but still. I had a good long laugh at someone from back home encouraging my growing cooking skills by suggesting I buy bulk spices or go to a good butcher shop...I was like, "You realize around base it's all barbers and strip clubs and tattoo parlors right?"
I did have a nice Dutch Gouda I found at Food Lion the other day though. :)