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Hemingway's Views on The Great Gatsby (and Fitzgerald)
Monty J Heying Monty J (last edited Jan 14, 2015 09:46AM ) May 22, 2013 09:39PM
In his memoir, A Moveable Feast, Ernest Hemingway devotes a few chapters to Scott Fitzgerald (and Zelda), among which The Great Gatsby is prominently mentioned. Here are a few notable excerpts which convey Hemingway's high regard for Fitzgerald as a writer, and specifically in regard to The Great Gatsby.

(p. 151) "He [Scott] spoke slightingly but without bitterness of everything he had written, and I knew his new book must be very good for him to speak, without bitterness, of the faults of past books. He wanted me to read the new book, The Great Gatsby, as soon as he could get his last and only copy back from someone he had loaned it to. To hear him talk of it, you would never know how very good it was, except that he had the shyness about it that all non-conceited writers have when they have done something very fine, and I hoped he would get the book quickly so that I might read it.

Scott told me that he had heard from Maxwell Perkins that the book was not selling well but that it had very fine reviews. I do not remember whether it was that day or much later, that he showed me a review by Gilbert Seldes that could not have been better.


(p. 174) ...Scott brought the book over. It had a garish dust jacket and I remember being embarrassed by the violence, bad taste and slippery look of it. It looked the book jacket for a book of bad science fiction. Scott told me not to be put off by it, that it had to do with a billboard along the highway in Long Island that was important in the story. He said he had liked the jacket and now he didn't like it. I took it off to read the book.

When I had finished the book I knew that no matter what Scott did, nor how he behaved, I must know it was like a sickness and be of any help I could to him and try to be a good friend. He had many good, good friends, more than anyone I knew. But I enlisted as one more, whether I could be of any use to him or not. If he could write a book as fine as
The Great Gatsby I was sure that he cold write an even better one. I did not know Zelda yet, and so I did not know the terrible odds that were against him.

So, Hemingway didn't like the book cover, but he practically raved about TGG, and at the time, Hemingway had not finished his own first novel, The Sun Also Rises.

However, one has to consider that this memoir was written in the late 1950s (from contemporaneous notes and journals recovered in a long forgotten trunk at the Ritz hotel in Paris), long after Fitzgerald's reputation had posthumously soared and sales of The Great Gatsby along with it.

Hemingway comes across as a hero of his own making by lionizing the then deceased Fitzgerald. I'm not sure how to judge this, or if I should even try. But a reader can't escape the feeling that Hemingway's predicting greatness for Fitzgerald, when Fitzgerald's reputation had already long been established.


Insight into Fitzerald's apparent bisexuality is revealed in Hemingway's comments in A Moveable Feast, posthumously published in 1964 long after Scott's death and written from Hemingway's contemporaneous journals recovered in 1958.

At first reading I thought It was like a sickness meant Scott's alcoholism, but homosexuality makes more sense in light of the way Fitzgerald dealt with the subject in both The Great Gatsby and Tender is the Night. In this telling comment, was Hemingway throwing Fitzgerald under the bus by outing him, while pretending to be friendly, or was he expressing genuine sympathy at significant personal professional risk?

Scott Fitzgerald died young, but his sexuality bleeds through in Nick Carraway, asking us to understand and accept the reality of intra-gender attraction. Finally, nearly a hundred years later, perhaps we are.



It's always hard to tell when it comes to situations like this, it often comes across as revisionist history. Although i've never heard of any occasions of Hemingway being overly conceited or praise driven. Taken at face value it seems genuine, most people who come across The Great Gatsby recognize it for what it is. Hemingway knew his way around the literary world and I'm inclined to believe him.


All I knew when I read this book is that it was very boring.


In FSF's short story "Rich Boy" he wrote his famous "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different."

In 1936 Ernest Hemingway mocked the famed opening lines of “Rich Boy” in his short story “The Snows of Kilimanjaro.” Hemingway wrote: “The rich...were dull and they drank too much, or they played too much backgammon. They were dull and they were repetitious". (Esquire)
So he read Fitzgerald while Fitzgerald was publishing and alive and mocked some conclusions regarding Fitzgerald's obsession with "the rich". It does seem that Hemingway thought more of FSF's writing years later and after he was dead.I cannot imagine there was not a little rivalry when they were both writing.One -about the 20's and the flappers and the rich and the other about being poor in Paris, bullfights, fishing drinking and war.

I found I think an informative book published in 1961 called The Art of F. Scott Fitzgerald by Sergio Perosa you all might find interesting.

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Monty J Heying Thanks Linda. Good post.
Jan 15, 2015 09:12AM · flag

I finished A Moveable Feast recently and wrote a trivia question asking "Did Hemingway like TGG?" Seems obvious from "as fine a book as this one" that he did and yet a great majority of the answerers are choosing "hated it" as the correct answer. Did I miss something??? Did he pan it at another time?


Wow, enlightening discussion. I won't deign to comment. Thanks for that, guys.


Fitzgerald was a married man, deeply in love with his wife during that marriage, and after his marriage was over, he dated and had further relationships with women. I've never heard from anyone that he was gay and frankly I think it shocking to lay this slur at one of our country's finest authors. Especially when he isn't around to defend himself. It's outrageous. He'd be spinning in his grave right now if he could see this thread.

Oh come on man. Were you there? Were you having his experiences? I personally want to believe that Scott and Zelda were one swinging couple back in the day.

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Monty J Heying People such as yourself have the noble intention of "protecting" a literary icon's reputation, while I strive to honor him by showing the truth of his ...more
Jan 15, 2015 09:09AM · flag

The terrible odds against him, I think, simply, are Zelda's mental problems and his total devotion to her which actually hindered his writing output.


What an amazing thread! I know that the book 'Zelda' is non fiction but the author went through great pains to keep it close to fact as possible. It lead me to believe that maybe there was some kind of very deep friendship between Hemingway and Fitzgerald. I just read a moveable feast as well and didn't catch the sickness he was referring to so good job. Who knows what to think of it. Their relationship could have just been simply a deep non sexual love. Nobody will ever know for sure but it's fun to speculate!


Sheila (last edited May 23, 2013 06:36AM ) May 23, 2013 05:12AM   -1 votes
If he could write a book as fine as The Great Gatsby I was sure that he cold write an even better one. I did not know Zelda yet, and so I did not know the terrible odds that were against him.


Wow. What's THAT about, I wonder.

He attributes Zelda with having that much power over Fitzgerald's talent or abilities?


So, essentially he`s saying the GG is not the all American classic?


Feliks (last edited Jan 17, 2015 05:07PM ) Jan 13, 2015 06:29PM   -2 votes
Ridiculous. Reluctantly gotta part ways with you on this topic, Monty. As always --you know your literature-- but we just don't see eye-to-eye about FSF.

Fitzgerald was a married man, deeply in love with his wife during that marriage, and after his marriage was over, he dated and had further relationships with women. I've never heard from anyone that he was gay and frankly I think it shocking to lay this unfounded slur at one of our country's finest authors. Especially when he isn't around to defend himself. He'd be spinning in his grave right now if he could see this thread.

Please don't anyone hand me that nonsense about 'Gatsby' having a hidden gay interpretation. Utter rot and poppycock. The book is an American classic, not a 'gay classic'. I've seen the debates elsewhere on Goodreads--and they're based on nothing more than some poltroons--bending over backward--to insist some stray wisp of sentence reveals something latent 'about the way Nick touches a handle in an elevator'! Come on now.

What's more, I don't care what that blowhard Hemingway had to say about such matters; anyone taking his comments as gospel on any of this, is out on a very shaky limb. Hemingway was drunk, bloated, self-absorbed, and crazy most of his later adulthood...thus, why would I trust his judgment on subtle, sensitive matters such as these? In the very end, he thought the FBI was trying to assassinate him!


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