Does anyone else think it is wrong that Jace kisses Clary even though they are brother and sister?

[Daisy97]

It was VERY weird and wrong. But Cassandra Clare recovered on that plot line well.;)

[Wolfkin]

Gabrielle wrote: "No. It's a book and all teen books have happy ending if you haven't noticed."

I haven't read it yet but if How to Train Your Dragon the book is anything like the movie they made based on it. Then there's a story that doesn't end perfectly well. In Twilight it's a complete circle of happiness. (view spoiler)[Bella not only gets the hot guy she wants, she also get a baby to raise. The guy she spurns gets a girl who will live as long as he does. She even gets the best superpower of all time. She can literally block powers (hide spoiler)]

It's the worst part of the series. In the film version of How to Train your Dragon the hero at least ends up (view spoiler)[missing a leg (hide spoiler)]. He's triumphant but not completely unscathed.

[Jaimie]

when I saw this conversation,I was just like *creepy smile* "oh my dear friend,you have a long way to go"

[Sophie]

Just... *grunts... keep...*tries not to burst* reading! *sighs*

Phew. Glad I managed to say that without spoiling the entire series for you.

[Olivia]

No.The whole fandom ships incest and that's just how it is and always shall be.

[Wolfkin]

Olivia wrote: "No.The whole fandom ships incest and that's just how it is and always shall be."

ha that at least made me laugh.

[sim]

I found it sooo gross in the start! I thought Cassandra Clare was crazy and the publishers were crazy too but then I read City of Glass and then... heaven! <3

[Inês]

keep reading :)

[Cait]

yeah. i get that they fell in love before they knew but still it's wrong that's they are kissing each other.

[Rachel]

okay I just finished this... and I agree... but I totally hope that they aren't related. In Clare's writing, when she focuses on a certain character as they see Valentine for the first time, some of them think he looks like Jace, others don't; some see a resemblance to Clary, some see neither. I wish there was a little consistency. But I'm counting on the fact that they aren't related, Clary and Jace. I love Jace so much!

[Gabriel]

No I really don't think it is all that wrong. I mean in a way it is because (at this point in the book) they are related by blood so there are moral issues that go with it. But if you really think about it they had no idea that the other one existed and when they finally found each other they didn't know about being related. They fell in love before finding out they were brother and sister so it's hard to get rid of the romance just like that.

[[deleted user]]

Omg that was a bunch of spoilers!

[[deleted user]]

Love it...I just finished City of Ashes and WOW.

[Ciara]

Yeahhhh, even if things change in the later book at the time it is wrong (in my opinion)

[Ella]

Smiles wrote: "Yeah, still, I can't imagine kissing my brother like this:


“While this is all very amusing, the kiss that will free the girl is the kiss that she most desires,” she said. “Only that and nothing..."

Smiles, did you get that from the book? Because the edition that I read was quite different.

[Aimee]

I think the point that the original poster was trying to make was that in City of Ashes, Clary and Jace were well aware that they were siblings, yet kept choosing to ACT in incestual ways, not just with the faeries but in other situations as well. I understand that they fell in love before realizing that they were related and are still 'pining' after one another, but it is, in my opinion, weird to act on such urges. I will admit that those moments in the book made me cringe when I was under the impression that they were related.
I understand that reading further into the series explains the situation, but in the moment in City of Ashes, it occasionally made me uncomfortable as a reader.
However, I do still really like them together and it broke my heart at the end of City of Bones!

[Sarah]

Ciara wrote: "Yeahhhh, even if things change in the later book at the time it is wrong (in my opinion)"

Yeah.... that's what I meant by posting this thread. I have finished the series, I just meant that if they even (view spoiler)[ THOUGHT that they were brother and sister, even though they weren't, it is still kind of gross to be attracted to someone when you think you are related. (hide spoiler)]

[Sarah]

Ella wrote: "Smiles wrote: "Yeah, still, I can't imagine kissing my brother like this:


“While this is all very amusing, the kiss that will free the girl is the kiss that she most desires,” she said. “Only t..."

Yes I did get that out of City of Ashes, I think :)

[Chi]

when u guys read the next book you'll see it won't be wrong,

[Mariana]

I think you need to keep reading

[Aimee]

I don't think that is the point though. We know that things change further into the series, however... imagining that you do not know things change, isn't it odd that brother and sister behave in that way?

[Chi]

ya well in that case,when I don't know what will happen next I was so mad that they were brother and sister,

[Beth]

When they kissed the first time its not like they knew. Hence it wasn't wrong.
Once they knew, it was wrong but (for those who have read the series, the "thing" happened) and it all went to hell anyway.....

In real life courts don't prosecute people who unknowingly took part incest...only the parties that knew go to jail..

[Sierra]

Honestly, though. It doesn't seem like that big a deal to me. Yeah, sure, they were told they were brother and sister, and they even somehow believed it. But, being a person who has a brother, you just don't have those kind of feelings for them. I don't even think my brother is cute. I think that both Jace and Clary knew, deep down, that they weren't really related, because it's very rare to have that kind of attracted to your relative. It's not impossible, but with the way that the auther hinted things in the first book, you could tell that the whole brother and sister thing wasn't going to last long, which probably made their connection stronger in the first place, in my opinion.

[Ify]

I don't really know. (view spoiler)[I mean, in City of Bones, they didn't know that they were brother and sister, which is why in City of Ashes, Clary tried to date Simon to get away from all of it. (hide spoiler)]

[Katarina]

First Jace and Clary aren't brother and sister,than they are, then they aren't... Sooooo confusing

[C.R.]

See I didn't think it was weird because I had a feeling....
Now if I didn't have that feeling then ICK!

[Wafaa]

thats what i thoughr , but keep reading
just wanna tell you that they arent related . oops !!

[Tori]

They were in love before they knew they were brother and sister, so they can't just stop. It's like after ur boyfriend or girlfriend breaks up with u, u still care about them. It takes time to get over them.

[Krissie]

Yes! I already know that Jace and Clary can't be related (really, if you're reading this book now you must know that it's a six part series and that because of this the author will find a loophole or create yet another plot twist). But even so, in that moment, Jace BELIEVES they are brother and sister (at least I think he does) and he's still all (view spoiler)["Oh, yes, you're my sister, but no one has to know, so we'll be fine." (hide spoiler)] He doesn't even try to stop himself--that's the thing. I would have expected a period of them both avoiding each other or something, but he doesn't seem to care much. At least Clary puts forth an effort, even though it's extremely tough on her. I totally get what CC was trying to do here with forbidden love, but I don't think it was as well executed as she had hoped. That's just my opinion, though.

[Lisa]

I know that they aren't related, but even if they were, I would still ship them. They didn't know it when they fell in love, and they are just perfect for eachother not matter what. Clace forevah!

[Misty]

Keep reading..... Don't give up..... You will make it...

[Salma]

Keep reading the series your question will be answered eventually. :)

[Connie]

It's totally wierd to read about them wanting to continue kissing one another. I am so disgusted by the two of them I really don't want to even hear about them anymore. I fast foward over all of their scenes because, even though I know they aren't brother and sister because of how Ms. Clare has written the story it has turned me off. They are meant to be together I get that. They aren't my favorite characters in the story so I don't really care if they get together or not. I personally think that if they took out Jace's and Clary's weak love story out of the picture, it would make for a better series overall.

[Susie]

I can see what you mean but think about it honestly, do you think the author would let their romantic relationship continue IF they actually were related?

[Godsee]

well yeah, when I was reading that part, I knew there could be no way they are brother and sister because that would be too gross for me to even comprehend, and it would ruin their perfect romance- so I kind of kept faith in the fact that the REAL truth would come forth soon and Jace and Clary could be happy together. I just never willed myself to think they were related, because otherwise I'd end up screaming and throw the books into a fire or something

[Wolfkin]

just for the record my new drinking game is taking a shot everyone someone replies to this thread "keep reading". Anyone who says that is missing the point.

and "I kinda had this feeling" is quickly becoming the new "keep reading"



sending off will to laywer. expect alcohol poisoning before year is over.

[Tiara]

Connie wrote: "It's totally wierd to read about them wanting to continue kissing one another. I am so disgusted by the two of them I really don't want to even hear about them anymore. I fast foward over all of ..."

i totally agree with what you just said, i feel as though cassandra is investing too much on their relationship. A relationship that started off with them believing they were brother and sister, I mean, why write that in the storyline anyway?

[Connie]

That's what I'm saying! Why not cool off on their feelings for now until they get everything figured out and then bring the romance back into it. They could even have them go as far as to date others or remain single, i dont care which, but still have them come together later on after it is revealed who Clary's brother truly is. That's romantic. This other thing going on is just plain disgusting. I don't care if anyone says keep reading or not.

[Rachel]

I thought Clary dated Simon for awhile when she and Jace were brother and sister... Isn't that trying? I mean, they did try. Kinda. They just lost their resolve after their feelings wouldn't go away. Which I agree, is gross. But I love Jace anyway.

[Star]

I actually liked it. I know that makes me weird but I thought it was a bit hot in a naughty, forbidden way...

[Connie]

RayRay wrote: "I thought Clary dated Simon for awhile when she and Jace were brother and sister... Isn't that trying? I mean, they did try. Kinda. They just lost their resolve after their feelings wouldn't go awa..."

No, with Simon I don't consider that as having tried, and I was happy when Simon broke it off with Clary. She doesn't deserve someone like him. As for them "trying" it is still inexcusable. I mean incest would be okay because they can't get over their feelings for each other? Umm, I don't think so.

To me, Jace couldn't hold a candle to Will Herondale. Now talk about dark, dangerous, and totally sexy in that anguished hero role? I read the Clockwork Princess series first, so I guess I'm biased in the area of how a character like that should be. That's the only reason I started this series. I've read that Jace is similar to Will.

[Rachel]

I see your point. Though Clare sorta made it obvious it was gonna last in that point of view, as siblings. At least I think it was obvious.

Oh. I haven't read the infernal devices yet... I've heard they're great though!

[Connie]

RayRay wrote: "I see your point. Though Clare sorta made it obvious it was gonna last in that point of view, as siblings. At least I think it was obvious.

Oh. I haven't read the infernal devices yet... I've hear..."

Ms. Clare made it obvious that they were going to remain siblings but they do have some iffy parts in the book that go beyond friendly sibling relationship in the City of Glass so maybe I'm jumping ahead. It is getting close to revelation here so, I'll keep pressing on. Maybe my feelings will change after the "Big Reveal".

Yes the Clockwork series was awesome! The first book was kind of slow for me with all the background descriptions she gave, but by the 3rd book, I was hooked. All main and subcharacters were done justice.

[Rachel]

Lol oops! I meant wasn't gonna last. I don't know what happened there! Yeah those iffy parts were what I hung onto when I read it. I hope the "Big Reveal" does it for you because honestly, I love Jace's character, and I love Clary as a character almost as much and some of the parts in the next books after COA are so fantastical I can't even describe it! * fangirl moment* sigh.

Yeah I can't wait to read TID! But I've got kind of a long to read list (in order) going. It'll probably carry me through at least October. So idk I'll read them... Soon-ish.;)

[Connie]

Well, I'll try to have an open mind. :).

I know what you mean about that long list though, I get sidetracked with all of the books that are out there waiting for me to enjoy. :)

[Cat]

Wolfkin wrote: "I thought it was insanely frustrating. People have compared it to A Game of Thrones and Star Wars but those are very different scenarios.

In Game of Thrones the incest is portrayed as dirty and wr..."


I agree. WOW.

[Cat]

But if you love someone so much... wouldn't you do anything to be with them? Even if it was wrong? How far would you go?
Like say, what if you loved a murderer?

[Connie]

Catherine wrote: "But if you love someone so much... wouldn't you do anything to be with them? Even if it was wrong? How far would you go?
Like say, what if you loved a murderer?"

It seems that your response doesn't match up to Wolfkin was saying? What are you agreeing to?

[Cat]

Connie wrote: "Catherine wrote: "But if you love someone so much... wouldn't you do anything to be with them? Even if it was wrong? How far would you go?
Like say, what if you loved a murderer?"

It seems that y..."

Um, sorry. I am a confusing person. First, I was saying I agree with her comparison of TMI vs. SW and TGOT, and then I added a separate post.