Science

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

yupp!!

[Melissa Corn ~bubbles bubbles bubbles~]

Right now I'd probably say kind equals family but I ain't no expert.

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

what do u mean kind=family..?

[Rachel]

look at the link I posted, Caro

[Rachel]

look at the link I posted, Caro

[Melissa Corn ~bubbles bubbles bubbles~]

♥Caro♥ wrote: "what do u mean kind=family..?"

on the animal classification thing. You know species,genus, family etc. Look at the link Rachel put up.

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

oh duh *facepalm* thanks rachel

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Sara wrote: "There is this book that we have in our house called The Evolution Cruncher: Scientific Facts which Annihilate Evolutionary Theory

It really shows that evolution could never be possible!!!"

looks good!

[Melissa Corn ~bubbles bubbles bubbles~]

looks quite interesting

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We were discussing science vs. religion tonight in my Living Religions class. Some Christians believe in evolutionary creation, which credits God with creating Darwinian evolution and overseeing its workings... What do y'all think of that? I think that's along the lines of what you were talking about, Melissa.

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I know Stephen Hawking is not a believer, but there is a thought-provoking quotation of his: "What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"

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There is a February 4 debate with Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham at the Creation Museum. I'm interested in streaming that... it should be interesting.

[brooke1994]

Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "I cant stand when they teach Evolution! I remember when we started it, I was shaking my head no the whole time. My friend was too. Then we asked the other two kids at the table what they thought an..."

I'm with you Paige.

[Sam]

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ken...

What do you think of this?

[Elizabeth, He Satisfies My Soul]

I agree that Progressive Christianity is very dangerous. You either believe the whole bible or you don't. You can't say you believe just the old testament or the new testament. To say you believe that God created the world through evolution is to cancel out the whole idea of a personal God and if Genius isn't true why should I believe the rest of the bible about Jesus?

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Elizabeth wrote: "I agree that Progressive Christianity is very dangerous. You either believe the whole bible or you don't. You can't say you believe just the old testament or the new testament. To say you believe t..."

I agree!

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

We're starting evolution next semester in Bio and I have some pretty solid arguments to begin with. Not sure how much I'll say and I haven't met my teacher yet but this should be interesting XD

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Cari wrote: "There is a February 4 debate with Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham at the Creation Museum. I'm interested in streaming that... it should be interesting."

im a bit nervous for that. there've been some really good absolutely crushing evolution debates but I'm not sure how Ken ham is

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

it is.....also infuriating after reading The Case for a Creator.

I guess the teachers just assume no one as differing opinions and if we do we usually just don't say anything.

Usually.

I'm very good at arguing lol jk

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Evolution used to be taught as a theory. Now it's being taught as fact.

[Sam]

I'm a pretty solid debater, but I've never bothered. Most people will never listen to reason, and you minister more with honey than with vinegar.

[Sam]

I only debate when I am required to, at least in person. I'm more willing to debate casually when in writing. I'm so uncompetitive :P

[Sam]

Don't feel pressured to debate it, Caro. Move if you feel God moves you, but open rebuke is not always necessary to make a point ;)

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

kay i'll be careful not sure exactly what i'll say/do yet

[Sam]

♥Caro♥ wrote: "kay i'll be careful not sure exactly what i'll say/do yet"

one of the best sermons you can preach is the way you live your life - no words needed :)

[T.C.]

Elizabeth wrote: "I agree that Progressive Christianity is very dangerous. You either believe the whole bible or you don't. You can't say you believe just the old testament or the new testament. To say you believe t..."

Elizabeth, you are right on. Our church has been teaching a lot on the "foundations of our faith." Even though we can't understand God, the whole point of faith is to know that we can't! We aren't ever called to understand, we are called to believe. We can't fit God into the box we make for Him. If He said He made the world in 6 days, He made the world in 6, 24-hour days. Seems like a lot to us, but HE'S GOD. It's all about faith.

[T.C.]

Thursday nights, I teach the little kids (ages 6-10). And last night, I taught them about DNA. Life could not have randomly appeared as some scientists say, because our DNA is too complicated. And people could not "evolved" from other creatures, because our DNA is set. We always come out as people. It is in the design. We will never come out with a tail or feathers or wings, because that is not in human DNA.

I did an example with the kids where I took a handful of Alphabits cereal and threw it in the air. I did it over and over, telling the kids I would keep doing it until it came out completely organized into the verse, Genesis 1:1. You know what? It never did. And it never would. But then, we sat together and took the letters to try to make a verse with our own hands. We were the designers; we were the creators. And it worked. We made sense of it. We had to use some letter, and get rid of others, because only certain ones would work together, and it took a person's knowledge to know that, not random chance. Chance always used all the letters and couldn't separate out the ones that didn't work.

We people are not made with all the chemicals of the universe. God took the ones He knew would make humans, and arranged them in such a complicated way, it is isn't possible for it to happen by chance.

OK. I'm done. Sorry to go on and on like that, but I love teaching about God and His greatness!

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

that's awesome!!

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Sam wrote: "♥Caro♥ wrote: "kay i'll be careful not sure exactly what i'll say/do yet"

one of the best sermons you can preach is the way you live your life - no words needed :)"

of course :)

[Elizabeth, He Satisfies My Soul]

T.C. wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "I agree that Progressive Christianity is very dangerous. You either believe the whole bible or you don't. You can't say you believe just the old testament or the new testament. To..."

T.C. wrote: "Elizabeth wrote: "I agree that Progressive Christianity is very dangerous. You either believe the whole bible or you don't. You can't say you believe just the old testament or the new testament. To..."

Thank you! It so important that we understand our foundations, so that we can grow in our faith.

Awww, that's so awesome! Mind if I steal it sometime? I take care of kids too.

[T.C.]

Please do!

[Rachel]

My dad told me how when he had to take a test on evolution. He answered all the questions as he was taught, and then added additional answers beginning with, "and this is why I disagree..." So, the teacher really couldn't grade him differently because he gave the required answers. :)

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Rachel wrote: "My dad told me how when he had to take a test on evolution. He answered all the questions as he was taught, and then added additional answers beginning with, "and this is why I disagree..." So, the..."

I've never had a test on evolution, but if I did I would never have had the guts to do that. That's great. :)

[T.C.]

Yeah, that's a great idea! We Christians might get more respect if we are peaceful about our disagreements. (People who bomb abortion clinics give us a bad rep.)

I used to teach 2nd grade, and I had to teach about dinosaurs. I remember very pointed saying, "SOME people believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago." And took out the question on the test that asked about when dinosaurs lived.

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Rachel wrote: "My dad told me how when he had to take a test on evolution. He answered all the questions as he was taught, and then added additional answers beginning with, "and this is why I disagree..." So, the..."

GOOD IDEA!

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So, the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye is tonight! Anyone watching any of it?

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Here's the link, if you're interested. http://debatelive.org/

[T.C.]

I had to take my son to basketball practice, but I really wish I could have seen it, since we are teaching that in church right now. Did you watch it, Cari?

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I didn't get to watch it live as I was hanging out with a friend, but I plan on watching it off youtube asap.

[Elizabeth, He Satisfies My Soul]

It was so good!!!! Though Bill Nyles didn't seem to be making a very good case, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Christian.

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I have it playing right now. Loving it so far. Can't help but think though how ridiculous we must sound to nonbelievers. Our beliefs are not based on fact. Christianity is based on faith.

[T.C.]

I haven't watched it yet - glad we can get a replay! I read some reactions to it, and the general consensus seemed to be that Nye was very condescending, while Ham was skillful at presenting the Gospel. But I wasn't sure if that was just because I was reading the thoughts of other Christians either.

[T.C.]

I haven't watched it yet - glad we can get a replay! I read some reactions to it, and the general consensus seemed to be that Nye was very condescending, while Ham was skillful at presenting the Gospel. But I wasn't sure if that was just because I was reading the thoughts of other Christians either.

[Rachel]

a lot of science is also based on "faith"--hypotheses, theories...there are actually very few absolutely certain scientific "facts"

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That's true....

[T.C.]

Yes, it makes me mad that evolution and "old earth" can be taught in schools as though it were fact. In the Ham videos I have he presents a good point for kids to ask, "Were you there?" No, of course not. There was only One who was there, and He gave us a record of it. It must be beyond frustrating to God that people don't believe what He has told them.

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It's so easy to think that the earth is millions of years old, as scientists tell us. But is it really so impossible to think that the earth is only a few thousand years old? No. Scientists can't prove that their methods of finding the age of fossils are accurate. There are so many aging factors to consider.

[Elizabeth, He Satisfies My Soul]

Yeah, the media is making it seem like Nye won because he gave more science proof. But I thing that Ham made quite a big point of how it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as in creation. Nye just kept saying "I don't know. We just don't know." Well Ham just referred to the bible.

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

OH the debate!! so much publicity lol

evolution in bio....

my patience has been stretched to a whole new level

they still teach embryology!!!!!!!!!! that's FORTY YEARS OUTDATED! that human fetuses, chicken, rabbit, fish fetuses ALL LOOK THE SAME AT CONCEPTION

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MAJOR FACEPALM

those pictures/diagrams were proven faked/exaggerated and the scientist discredited FORTY YEARS AGO

[Carolyn, The God of Angel Armies]

Cari wrote: "It's so easy to think that the earth is millions of years old, as scientists tell us. But is it really so impossible to think that the earth is only a few thousand years old? No. Scientists can't p..."

totally