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Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Yes, they work. But there is a reason that these actresses have just about all weighed in on the TYPES of roles they get and how they very much realize they are not considered to be acceptable for certain parts because of their skin tone. Viola Davis has been exceptionally forthright in her interviews. Dark skinned women in Hollywood are the help. The strong but sexless women with attitudes. The no nonsense best friends with no apparant love lives of their own. Caricatures at times and even the meaty roles have not been those of their lighter counterparts.."This. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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Some black people are in power and they make shows or movies with stereotype black people. Don’t get me wrong, some black people are like that in real life, but not all black people. Make those kinds of shows and movies, then people will see black people are being that way.
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Arch wrote: "Justine wrote: "This color fight is exhausting.I do not care if the person is light black, half black, dark black, medium black or any shade in between. As long as th..."
What is downplaying one's blackness? If the person does not look racially ambiguous what would they have to be doing to be downplaying their blackness? I don't understand as I can only think of bleaching of skin.
I have always thought of Vin Diesel as bi-racial with African being part of the mixture. If he was asked a direct question about his ethnic make up and never owned this part of his make up, yes I can see this as downplaying his being black. This I do understand.
When I see the comments about downplaying one's blackness it seems to me there is more behind that comment than just acceptance of one's skin color.
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Arch wrote: "Everyone will be respected on this group. It’s okay to disagree, but do so with respect. Everyone will not see things the same way. No fighting on this group. The group owner and moder..."So since the meaty roles are not for blacks of any hue, as there is discrimination that affects all, shouldn't there be a celebration then when one does get such a role? Doesn't this help to chip away at the institutionalized racism? What should an actor do at that point, turn down the role?
I do recognize the caricature depiction that you talk about, It's the reason why I do not watch shows, nor read any book without a meaty poc in them. The reason why I do not watch Hallmark Christmas movies and even stopped buying its products as a matter of fact.
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Yes, they work. But there is a reason that these actresses have just about all weighed in on the TYPES of roles they get and how they very much realize they are not considered to be acceptable for certain parts because of their skin tone. Viola Davis has been exceptionally forthright in her interviews. Dark skinned women in Hollywood are the help. The strong but sexless women with attitudes. The no nonsense best friends with no apparant love lives of their own. Caricatures at times and even the meaty roles have not been those of their lighter counterparts."This. There’s indeed a reason so many actresses have spoken about this, from Zendaya (who said if her skin was darker she probably wouldn’t have the career she does) to Viola Davis and Michaela Cole. And then there’s this study: https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/...
Even without a concrete study to back it up just a cursory glance through this blog’s archive shows which black women are deemed acceptable when it comes to romance and screen presence: https://melaninmonroemedia.tumblr.com...
The creator herself got so frustrated by the industry’s colourism that she made a tag just for dark skinned black women (https://melaninmonroemedia.tumblr.com... https://melaninmonroemedia.tumblr.com...) ;they make up maybe a quarter or a third of the blog which could really make someone think, just going by media, that that was the case in real life too in terms of demographics. I’ve read comments like that before from people who weren’t born and raised in western countries like the US and UK. They were really surprised to see more darkskinned women than light cos western media had made them think it was the other way around.
Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Arch wrote: "Everyone will be respected on this group. It’s okay to disagree, but do so with respect. Everyone will not see things the same way. N..."I don't think anyone is suggesting don't celebrate all of us. I think the point is simply don't think the battle is won or even assume theres been a significant change. Or maybe just that we need to understand there is a secondary fight here that we as a community need to address and make sure Hollywood hears us.
And I DEFINITELY don't think they should turn down roles. I think they should use their platform to shed light. When those interviews come around, when its time for their moment at an awards show podium, when those mic's get thrust in their faces on the red carpet. Take a beat and acknowledge being thankful AND the hope that more roles for the entire color spectrum will become more prevalent.
Arch wrote: "If black people don’t want to play certain roles, then they shouldn’t accept certain roles, because if they do, they are saying they are okay with playing a certain character. When should a paychec..."I think THIS goes back to the entire concept of just "wanting a seat at the table". I'm not sure its reasonable to expect an actor to just say "No thanks" to a bill paying job. Its hard to maintain that level of personal accountability when you have to have work.
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Arch wrote: "Everyone will be respected on this group. It’s okay to disagree, but do so with respect. Everyone will not see things..."It is the second fight we as a community has to address is what I do not get. I am not much of a tv/movie person, but I cannot think of a black American actor who is of darker skin than Lupita Nyong'o or Daniel Kaluuya or Danai Gurira. All three work, and I have never heard them speak of this specific issue.
I can certainly understand the discrimination against all black people whether you pass the paper bag test or not, but the second fight to me seems to me to be perception of a few.
Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva "Even without a concrete study to back it up just a cursory glance through this blog’s archive shows which black women are deemed acceptable when it comes to romance and screen presence: https://melaninmonroemedia.tumblr.com..."
Is it the color of the actor's skin or the overall look and comportment of the person?
I would more quickly cast Zendaya or Kerry Washington or Lupita or Angela Basset or Regina King or Whoopi or Regina Hall or any number of black actors as a love interests than I would Monique .
Justine wrote: "I can certainly understand the discrimination against all black people whether you pass the paper bag test or not, but the second fight to me seems to me to be perception of a few.
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Are you saying you believe in racism but not colorism?
Just google "Colorism" or "Colorism and Hollywood." Or search it on Youtube. You will find all the information you need on this if you want to understand the problem.
Lupita is literally making children's books about colorism. She's been explaining her struggle to get work due to the color of her skin for years now. She was even on BBC explaining it for white people who "didn't get it." She doesn't get work. She won an Oscar for portraying a slave and has a grand total of 27 credits on IMDB from 2006 to now, 7 of which are voice-acting roles, 5 are shorts, 1 is a music video. I mean, have you actually seen the "work" she gets? Are you counting Maz Kanata in Star Wars? Her role as a sidekick in a Jessica Chastain movie?
Use whichever source you trust, as long as it's not Fox News, and you'll find all the information you need because it's not a problem only in the perception of a few people and it has nothing to do with anyone's "comportment."
Entertainers in South Asia, Latin America, all over the world, really, have been complaining about limited opportunities due to colorism... I mean, a simple google search will result in maybe hundreds of articles about colorism in K-pop alone and actresses bleaching their skin just to get the opportunity to audition for roles in Bollywood.
I mean, there are white people in Ireland complaining about colorism. John Leguizamo talked about having to stay out of the sun so he could stay light enough to get cast as the comic relief token Latino in movies.
It's not about anyone's perception, it's a real problem in the real world that real people are dealing with. If you want to learn about it, there are thousands of results when you search colorism on JSTOR.org
Zenny wrote "Are you saying you believe in racism but not colorism?Yes: Racism I get, colorism I don't. Seems to me that racism is what is spoken about. As examples: Dorothy Dandridge and Lena Horne. They did not get roles because of the color of their skin or because they were simply black women? I would argue the latter because they could pass for white women quite easily.
Thanks for the references, I will look them up.
Oh I get it now: I now understand why I was confused. A google search for a definition of colorism states the following:"Prejudice or discrimination especially within a racial or ethnic group favoring people with lighter skin over those with darker skin." (Source Google search)
That would seem to me to be an overarching internal black community struggle rather than a white v black. The wider societal institutionalized racism which also impacts the entertainment industry, I think, would not care how dark a skin you have as all it sees is you are of black ethnicity. But perhaps I am wrong as I have never paid colorism any mind.
Justine wrote: "Lupita Nyong'o or Daniel Kaluuya or Danai Gurira. All three work, and I have never heard them speak of this specific issue...."Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Arch wrote: "Everyone will be respected on this group. It’s okay to disagree, b..."
And THAT right there is my issue.
Because 2 or 3 can be named we think we should be happy with and feel things are equal. They just aren't. Lupita and Danaii ..add in Jody Turner Smith now...we have a handful of extraordinarily beautiful truly dark women who ARE getting roles now and I absolutely celebrate that. But its not enough. You shouldn't see them and go "Whoa!" or be surprised in any way and I think theres still that going on. 2022 and we still get excited to see a sister with dark skin as a leading lady.
Lupita has spoken of her personal struggle with colorism growing up as well as colorism in Hollywood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9Z1...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao82h...
Both are excerpts of an interview with Oprah in 2019. She actually laughed when asked "Do you think there is still colorism in Hollywood." She goes on to talk about her own personal struggle WITHIN but definitely addresses how its still a thing in Hollywood.
Its definitely not just a perception. But if you aren't a movie/tv fan perhaps thats why it hasn't struck you. Also, if its not something you have a reason to be invested in. I know that AS a dark skinned woman its something I've always noticed because it absolutely stings a bit thinking that any segment of humanity thinks you're less than. So ofcourse I likely have a higher sensitivity for "checking for" this, but its definitely not "the perception of a few". Its a well known fact in Hollywood.
Its just telling that its 2022 and its still a topic to be discussed. Thats a sign of something.
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Lupita Nyong'o or Daniel Kaluuya or Danai Gurira. All three work, and I have never heard them speak of this specific issue...."Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin..."
I must not be making myself clear.
According to the definition that I read of colorism, my understanding of it is that it is an intra black community issue based on the various shades of black skin with darker skinned black people claiming they are at a disadvantage to lighter skinned black people. Given that Hollywood is run by white people, I am of the opinion that the powers that be would not care about the various shades of black, and that their refusal to hire black actors would be based on the lone fact that the person is black. Case in point my example of Dorothy Dandridge and Lena Horne who could pass as white, yet were not hired.
I then mentioned Lupita and Danaii and you added Jodie, three women who would be considered to have very dark skin yet are working. Are they working as much as other white actors, must likely not, but is it due to the shade of their skin or simply because they are identified as being of black ethnicity? I would say the latter. So if it is the latter then colorism is solely a perceived intra black issue.
If someone who is black (bi-racial, quarter, 1/8, black till they are blue) get work then I celebrate it. We come in all shades and perhaps if a light skinned black get work and can pry open that door a bit more, then I am thankful and celebrate their success.
I have been reading some of your referenced material (have only scratched the service thus far) it seems to me that some black people are trying to guilt other black people into something they have no control over, i.e. the color of their skin. Others I believe are conflating colorism with racism. So when some actors claim that they have gotten a role because of the specific shade of their skin, I find that highly improbable and I would ask, them if such a role was offered to white actors and other black actors as well. And why others didn't get it, could it have been better chemistry at the script reading etc?
Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Its just telling that its 2022 and its still a topic to be discussed. Thats a sign of something.
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It's 2022 but some people don't believe in racism and never will. In the exact same way, some people don't believe in colorism and never will. Such is the state of the world.
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This colorism discussion has been interesting to say the least but let me dispel a huge myth here.Colorism is not JUST an intra-racial issue. It has its genesis is in slavery. Not just the light-skinned slave working in the "big house" aspect, but the idea of the lighter one was, the closer to "human" one is. In Brazil, there's the notion of "breeding out the Black" in which slave owners impregnated African slave women in order to eventually lighten the races. It's why, until recently, mainly white Brazilians do not believe there's a racism problem.
It's also not just a BLACK issue, hence conversations in South Asian countries about the prevalence of skin bleaching and the celebration of a dark-skinned Indian actress cast as the lead in Bridgerton.
Hollywood, being a white institution and subject to the same white supremacist thinking that underpinned slavery, is fully invested in colorism hence their often casting light-skinned or biracial Black women in romantic or roles that don't require depictions of trauma. Viola Davis has been forthcoming about the resistance she faced cast as Annalise Keating in How to Get Away With Murder. Hell, Whoopi Goldberg has said her character in Ghost was not written with her in mind. Nichelle Nichols iconic Lt Uhura - a dark Black woman - was recast as a light-skinned woman for no other reason save Hollywood's preference.
And I already know - Sonequa Martin-Green, but remember that's a series, NOT a big budget film.
Another thing: colorism works differently for Black men. Idris Elba seems to be working all the time, as are Michael B. Jordan and other dark-skinned Black actors. What is considered "masculine" and acceptable for them is treated as a flaw in Black women. This is also why colorist Black men are okay with the status quo. Despite the fact that dark-skinned Black men are treated harsher by the justice system (look up the stats), when it comes to intrapersonal relationships, they believe that dark skin equals masculinity and light skin is more feminine. And that belief falls on Black women, much to our detriment.
It IS sad that in the year 2022 we're still talking about colorism and Black women are often gaslit for doing so. No one should be happy that there aren't enough roles given to Black women overall and that there are limits as to what a dark-skinned actress can play. We should be demanding better.
I'm off my soapbox. Have a great day y'all.
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How can actors and actresses that has a problem with colorism in Hollywood do something about colorism? Not audition or takes roles written just for them. They need to education themselves about a role. If you are light skinned and the role calls for a dark skinned person, leave that role alone or else don’t complain about colorism, because you are adding wood to the colorism fire.
People that has a problem with colorism in Hollywood can do something about it too. Don’t support the movie or tv show.
A lot of people would like to see people like them represented in movies and tv shows and it’s not a color thing.
Where are the people with?”
1. Vitiligo
2. Strokes
3. Amputation
4. Paraplegic
5. Etc.
Actors and actresses that has an issue with colorism and that can make movies, tv shows can make the difference. Create a diverse movie or tv show.
If a black actor or actress is working that’s good. I don’t care about their skin color or nationality. Black to me is not based on skin color.
I watch a movie or tv show that interests me. I’m not looking to see a person’s skin color.
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Justine wrote: "Savannah- Quad Motherin' Book Readin' Diva wrote: "Justine wrote: "Lupita Nyong'o or Daniel Kaluuya or Danai Gurira. All three work, and I have never heard them speak of this specific issue...."J..."
I think the basic issue is that colorism is NOT just an internal community issue.
As for the rest, I suppose that depends on who and what you want to use for your opinion about Hollywood. For me, its history. I'm a huge movie and tv fan and always have been. And while black roles have definitely improved, roles for black leading ladies have been primarily cast for lighter skinned women. Of the three I mentioned, only Viola has had any type of truly significant success in a leading role, and her characters, while married/widowed/divorced, have NOT been not what anyone would call traditionally sexy or romantic roles (like that of Kerri Washington's in Scandal or most any female prime time drama where relationships are a central theme. And again, Viola has been VERY vocal about colorism in Hollywood. I'm certainly in no position to discount her experience. And that woman is a beast of an actor so it surely isn't due to her not having the skill. You're basically taking 3 actresses and saying its enough because they're minorities and the numbers average out lol.
As to black people "guilting other black people.." I don't even know what to say to that lol. Bringing something to the forefront SHOULD BE taken as food for thought and change. If folks feel guilty, its because a "hit dog will holler" as my mama and grandmama used to say. We are hurting our own. We are hurting ourselves as a community when we ignore the pain and mistreatment of some of its members.
Theres too much readily available information to stay ignorant on a topic unless it simply doesn't interest a person. Its not just my place to justify something as fact when its so well known and knowledge about it is so easily accessible.
Arch wrote: "This thread is going to go back to discussing IR TV. If you want to talk about colorism, please create a new thread under General Chatting."Sorry-just saw your post. Feel free to delete my response if need be but since I was quoted I wanted to say something.
Started the new discussion here for any who wish to continue:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Did anyone watch Das Boot season 3? I was hoping to catch Cassandra x Klaus love story to continue in season 3. If not, I'm hoping maybe season 4 of Das Boot would focus on Cassandra x Klaus.
Also, the recent Percy Jackson adaptation on Disney + will star black female protagonist. So there will be interracial youth friendship that leads to romance.
Mosaic wrote: "Did anyone watch Das Boot season 3? I was hoping to catch Cassandra x Klaus love story to continue in season 3. If not, I'm hoping maybe season 4 of Das Boot would focus on Cassandra x Klaus.
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I haven’t watched it. I’m actually a little scared to cos IMDb didn’t have Rochelle Neil (who plays Cassandra) in the cast list for season 3, and I know she’s in The Nevers which might have caused a filming clash as Das Boot takes two years between seasons to put together (though that’s conjuncture on my part). I also read a brief teaser synopsis on season three and it described Klaus as broken from something tragic in his part, that plus the way the show has handled female leads in the past… I just don’t see it ending happily for those two and I would be very surprised if she’s even in the season to begin with.
I know about PJ! As much as I dislike racebending I’m actually really looking forward to it, esp after reading what Rick Riodran wrote in defence of Leah’s casting, the link to which was posted in the colourism thread by Amber. Made me want to reread the books (I’m getting there, lol).
Rebecca wrote: "I’m actually a little scared to cos IMDb didn’t have Rochelle Neil (who plays Cassandra) in the cast list for season 3, and I know she’s in The Nevers which might have caused a filming clash as Das Boot takes two years between seasons to put together (though that’s conjuncture on my part). I also read a brief teaser synopsis on season three and it described Klaus as broken from something tragic in his part, that plus the way the show has handled female leads in the past… "I just watched it by fast forward to Klaus's storyline. Apparently, Klaus got captured by US agents and forced to do some spy work for US government. Klaus ended up in Portugal and soon went back to Germany to start a coup, I think. Klaus has a sister in Germany who is spying on Klaus. There is a brief mention of Cassandra when the US agent asked Klaus about how does it feel to screw a black woman.
I really hope that season 4 will bring Cassandra back, but seeing how Klaus is back in Germany, I seriously doubt it. And I was rooting for Cassandra x Klaus. Pity that they won't continue it.
Also, on HBO Max, there is a show called The Sex Lives of College Girls. There are interracial romances in the show.
Rebecca wrote: "I know about PJ! As much as I dislike racebending I’m actually really looking forward to it, esp after reading what Rick Riodran wrote in defence of Leah’s casting, the link to which was posted in the colourism thread by Amber. "I am okay with racebending for POC in certain occasions. For example, I'm okay with racebending in Interview with The Vampire b/c the setting is in Louisiana. Anyone from the south (USA) should know that there ain't just white people only in Louisiana. Louisiana is very multiracial and multicultural. Yes, it's also filled racists, but then again, racists are everywhere globally, and certain states in south like Alabama and Mississippi ain't heaven either for POC. Starring with white people only cast is just ignorance and blind to the state of Louisiana.
I'm not okay with racebending for historical tv shows. I just think that it's absolutely lazy and fake of the Hollywood producers to racebend historical figures.
Good Sam features interracial romance. I assume the new Star Wars tv shows doesn't have interracial romance, considering the fandom is very racist. I mean, Kelly Tran in the movie got so much death threats from neckbeards alone. Just having original POC characters alone is enough to make neckbeards/rednecks sweating for racial hatred.
Mosaic wrote: "Good Sam features interracial romance. I assume the new Star Wars tv shows doesn't have interracial romance, considering the fandom is very racist. I mean, Kelly Tran in the movie got so much dea..."
The Good Sam show has been cancelled after one season.
Two Netflix shows that just dropped have IR couples.One is First Kill that features an BWWW lesbian romance. The black female comes from a family of black vampire slayers and the white female is a vampire. Taboo romance ensues. I haven't watched it but have seen the trailer.
The other is a movie Hustle with Adam Sandler and Queen Latifah plays his wife.
Hustle sounds like it should be fun because of the two stars.Thanks for the heads-up
I watched the trailer of Mr. Malcolm's List. It looks so good. I watched the short movie of it before on YT, and I'm excited to watch full length movie.
I haven't read the original romance novel altho it has been on my TBR forever. I know that Selena (played by Frieda Pinto) and Mr. Malcolm (played by Sope Dirisu) are the main IR couple, but I also wonder if Julia (plyed by Zawe Ashton) and Capt. Ossory (played by Theo James) also get together? The trailer shows them flirting a bit.
Tina wrote: "but I also wonder if Julia (plyed by Zawe Ashton) and Capt. Ossory (played by Theo James) also get together? The trailer shows them flirting a bit."I'm not sure, but based on the poster, it looks like Julia is getting with Ossory. If that's true, then it has at least 2 interracial couples in the movie.
I'm going to watch First Kill and see how it goes. Glad to see there are more interracial romance in vampire genre.
Just finished watching First Kill. Pro: I'm glad Netflix finally cast dark-skinned black actress. The chemistry is good between the girls.
Con: the storyline is tedious, editing and directing are so bad. As are all tv shows that have teenager fantasy element like Buffy, Angel, etc.
Also, there are 2 interracial couples. Cal and Juliette, and Oliver and Carmen.
First Love (2022) movie has interracial romance. It's starring Sydney Park and Hero Fiennes Tiffin. This is the second film starring Sydney Park in interracial romance. Though she ain't getting as much as Amandla Stenberg in interracial romance movies.One thing for sure, Hero Fiennes Tiffin can't act for shit. Nepotism is real on this one.
Also, I don't know if anyone watched Little Monsters starring Lupita. It's a funny film with interracial romance dash into it. Though I don't like Lupita's wig in it. It's just so bad that I wonder if the production even hires black hairstylist, because I know some film production don't care for their WOC actress at all.
Mosaic wrote: "Just finished watching First Kill. Pro: I'm glad Netflix finally cast dark-skinned black actress. The chemistry is good between the girls.
Con: the storyline is tedious, editing and directing ar..."
I’ve finished it as well and feel the exact. same. way, lol. My internal comparisons for it were Riverdale and The Vampire Diaries, those are the shows freshest in my memory, lol. One major peeve of mine for First Kill though is that in the short story it’s based on, the black lead, Calliope, has curly hair, and it’s actually the very first line of their story, the first thing Juliette notices about her, that she has “a cloud of curls.” Natural hair isn’t something everyone wants to maintain, I know that, but would it have been so hard to give Imani, Calliope’s actress, curly micro braids maybe or crochet braids mimicking natural type 4 hair. It’s particularly grating since the show runner, Felicia D Henderson, is a black woman (meanwhile the story’s author is a white woman…). Not the thread for it but there’s also the fact that Calliope’s mother is lighter than her father, which is a typical colourist casting when it comes to black couples. Although I admit she did a fantastic job in the role, esp in the last episode (though she also looked quite young to me sometimes, not sure of the actress’ age irl but beside Theo especially she did look too young to be their mother).
Another thing would be I’m not sure how good an actress Imani is. I felt she had one mode during the show: being a badass hunter and that’s it. Her facial expressions didn’t change much, I felt like she only had one; compared to Sarah (Juliette) I don’t think she had as much to do acting wise, except (view spoiler) which called for some acting chops and she did pull through there but I just wasn’t feeling it for most of the show unfortunately. Her voice was quite monotone as well. It might be a bit reductionist but I feel for Juliette as well i came away feeling that she only had one character trait and that was being interested in Cal, while Cal’s trait was just being a hunter, as I said above. The show being very YA overall didn’t help either. I hope Legendborn, which Felicia D Henderson is also adapting for Netflix, is better but it has the advantage of being a whole story already, not a short story being expanded.
I’ve seen Little Monsters. I love Lupita’s character, she’s a breath of fresh air. I couldn’t stand the male lead though, lol. It’s funny but I didn’t mind Lupita’s wig.
The Score with Naomi Ackie and Will Poulter has been released. I haven’t seen it yet as I’m still looking up how to watch it (aside from an obscure streamer because ofc that’s where they’d put it, I hope like Open it’ll eventually become available on Prime or maybe even Netflix).
Rebecca wrote: "Legendborn, which Felicia D Henderson is also adapting for Netflix, is better but it has the advantage of being a whole story already, not a short story being expanded."Legendborn is directed by Felicia Henderson? Oh no.
I was hoping that the director of The Old Guard, Gina Prince-Bythewood, would direct it. Gina is a better director than Felicia, based on the productions I've watched.
No offense to Felicia Henderson, but the acting also depends on the directing too. For actress and actors, there are multiple takes of the scene, depending on the director's vision.
Imani may "not great in acting," but it is also because the directing isn't great. A good director can improve the actors or actresses' acting.
Just from technical point of view, the directing, editing and cinematography need help. It's as bad as Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Vampire Diaries. Actually, if I think about it, Vampire Diaries actually had better cinematography in certain episodes than First Kill.
I agree with you on what you mentioned about natural hair. I think Hollywood is so scared to show natural hair. It's weird to me. Or they just don't hire black hairstylist to do the hairstyle.
Also, just remember that Naomi Ackie is starring in a sci-fi interracial romance movie with Robert Pattinson in director Bong Joon Ho's upcoming book turned movie adaption.
Mosaic wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Legendborn is directed by Felicia Henderson? Oh no.No offense to Felicia Henderson, but the acting also depends on the directing too. For actress and actors, there are multiple takes of the scene, depending on the director's vision.
She’s the showrunner but that would mean she has more control than the director ultimately, I guess. I agree though. I never thought Jodie Comer for example could act until I saw her in Killing Eve then I was blown away cos the difference between that and other productions of hers was stark. Maybe the writing had something to do with it too as Villanelle was a much more compelling character than any of the other characters I’d seen Jodie play (and please no KE spoilers anyone who watches it, I haven’t finished it yet. I’m getting there, lol). And I think the writing is First Kill was a letdown (esp in regards to Calliope), which doesn’t all fall on Felicia’s shoulders as the original author herself, V E Schwab, was on board and very much a part of the team, very involved. I do think it being a short story expanded to a multi season tv show had a big part to play as well. But to me FK was just about on par with Riverdale and Vampire Diaries, no worse but no better. Just an average YA tv show.
I was hoping that the director of The Old Guard, Gina Prince-Bythewood, would direct it. Gina is a better director than Felicia, based on the productions I've watched."
I’ve only seen The Old Guard and First Kill for either of them but I agree, though I think Felicia has more writing credits to her name while Gina has director credits. The Old Guard had its flaws but it was still an amazing movie because of what Gina was able to do. And she had to fight for Nile as well behind the scenes: https://nevermindirah.tumblr.com/post...
Mosaic wrote: "Also, just remember that Naomi Ackie is starring in a sci-fi interracial romance movie with Robert Pattinson in director Bong Joon Ho's upcoming book turned movie adaption."
Is it a romance? I’d heard of the movie but I didn’t know that! They’re going to be love interests?? I didn’t know that. To think that Naomi was thinking of quitting acting a few years ago because of the lack of substantial roles for black actresses and now she’s going to play a love interest opposite a heartthrob A-list actor. Wow.
Mosaic wrote: "Also, just remember that Naomi Ackie is starring in a sci-fi interracial romance movie with Robert Pattinson in director Bong Joon Ho's upcoming book turned movie adaption."Do you have a source for the film having an IR element? I was doing some searching but all I got was confirmation of who’s been cast but I can’t even find who they’re going to playing. Most outlets can’t even confirm RPatz will be the lead. The movie seems to be billed as sci-fi as well, I haven’t read anything that says it will have any romance at all. As long as Naomie’s role is substantial I would still watch but it would be cool if she was playing the love interest to RPatz’ lead character.
Mosaic wrote: "I agree with you on what you mentioned about natural hair. I think Hollywood is so scared to show natural hair. It's weird to me. Or they just don't hire black hairstylist to do the hairstyle."Hollywood is notoriously bad about hiring competent hair stylists for black hair. There are a ton of first hand testimonials by actresses and even actors about that particular problem on sets. Shalita Grant left NCIS: NOLA largely because of the hair issue. She said the lack of a black stylists was causing her actual hair loss.
The stylist has to be a member of the Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Guild in order to get work. But you can't be a member of the Guild unless you amass so many hours on a set. So it is a vicious cycle. And of course structural racism has made it harder for black MUAs and HS to get a toe in on sets. And a lot of white stylists simply don;t get trained in how to work with black hair. This is true even of your local hair stylists.
There are many stories amongst black actors and actresses where they pay out of their own pocket to bring in their own stylists and barbers. But if you don't have the money then often they style themselves. And natural hair can take longer to maintain than they have to prepare. So they'll stick to wigs or other styles.
I believe Queen Latifah has to clout to insist on a black stylist on her show The Equalizer because every black woman on that show's hair is laid to the gods. And they all have different textures.
Rebecca wrote: "Do you have a source for the film having an IR element?"I never read the book, but the movie is called Mickey7 based on the same book. You can google it. I follow accounts on Twitter and catch the news of it. It's pretty confirmed by Hollywood reporters. I mean, there's a chance that I'm wrong and that BJH might not do the interracial romance b/c his previous movies never center on romance anyway. Maybe except Parasite. But even Parasite is bit iffy on what you consider as romance. I don't really consider the relationship between the brother and the teenage girl in Parasite as romance. It's more of manipulative relationship between employer and employee.
Tina wrote: "Hollywood is notoriously bad about hiring competent hair stylists for black hair. "
Oh, no doubt. I heard stories about The Vampire Diaries and the only WOC of the cast was suffering severe stress for her hair and the way they did to her hair. It was pretty bad and sadly, this type of treatment and behavior never cease.
Maybe recent change is better, idk. I notice that Vampire Academy show hires a black hair stylist, so I'm happy to see the improvement.
Also, I don't know if anyone sees the trailer, but there is a trailer of a movie or tv show (idk?) have interracial romance. It's teenager oriented, but I totally forgot if it's on Amazon or HBO or Hulu or what. And I can't remember the name of it. If anyone sees it, let me know.
Whatever it is, it involves with dancing or singing. Either way, it's teenager oriented interracial romance starring with dark-skinned black actress.
Also, might as well mention that Dangerous Liaisons (2022) on Netflix has interracial romance. It's starring with multiracial actress with yet again white actor.We need more films like Lovebirds and Mr. Malcolm's List, in which it starred with a couple of POC instead of just POC with white love interest. POC x white love interest is so insipid and uninspiring.
I know it is nice when and IR relationship are two POC. Not a main couple, but Disney's Ms. Marvel has a black muslim woman and a Pakistani man as a couple. The most recent episode featured their wedding, a traditional Desi wedding and it was glorious! Also Billy Porter's directorial debut, Anything's Possible is a coming of age story about a young trans female (BW) and an Arab guy. The trailer is cute and I like if because he is aware of her being trans so it isn't treated like some shameful secret.
Tina wrote: "Anything's Possible"Ah, that's the one I was trying to find. Thanks, Tina.
I saw the trailer and am pretty excited to watch it on Amazon. I really hope they didn't make the dark-skinned friend as villain though. 'Cause there are some scenes in which they make the dark-skinned friend seem like villain, which pretty much perpetuates the negative stereotype.
Need to mention about My Fake Boyfriend. It has interracial gay romance starring with a POC couple.
Also, Colombian tv show on Netflix called Once Upon a Time.. Not Anymore has interracial romance.
Spiderhead on Netflix. A Sci-fi psychological thriller. Has an iR romance between Miles Teller and Jurnee Smollett.It was interesting. Some plot holes big enough to drive a semi through, but the romance was a sweet element in the movie.
Saw the trailer of Pretty Little Liars Original Sin. It looks like it has interracial romance.
I forgot to mention that THE PERSONAL HISTORY OF DAVID COPPERFIELD has interracial romance starring with 2 POC.
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I do not care if the person is light black, half black, dark black, medium black or any shade in between. As long as the actor is black..."
I think downplaying their blackness but taking black roles is simply never saying a word about it, never wanting to own it, speak on ANY black issues whatsoever and sometimes flat denounce it..until its time for casting. Vin Diesel did the same thing lol. Would flat give every branch of his family tree in interviews before he would say he was black for a long time. He's since changed and thats cool so whatever. I didn't care either way I just get some people being bothered by it. I've no doubt it was career protection-to keep the scripts flowing and good for them. Whatever. But it does happen. Less now as diversity in casting becomes better. And no, I don't think everyone HAS to fly their black flag. But again, I understand why its off putting for some.