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The reboot of the show the 4400 looks like it has an IR marriage in it. And also, bonus, one of the central characters is a brown skinned black woman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16gX...
Tina wrote: "The reboot of the show the 4400 looks like it has an IR marriage in it. And also, bonus, one of the central characters is a brown skinned black woman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16gX..."
I’ve seen this trailer around. It looks really interesting. I watched a little of the original years ago. I don’t remember much but I’m looking forward to this reboot. More sci-fi is never a bad thing.
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Arch wrote: "I'd watched the original. I will pass on the reboot."Me too. I still remember too much of it to watch another version of the same story. If I hear that they've changed things up to make it fresh though, I might check it out.
Tina wrote: "The reboot of the show the 4400 looks like it has an IR marriage in it. And also, bonus, one of the central characters is a brown skinned black woman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16gX..."
Thank you. I hope it is better than the original. Many of these start out promising, but then descend into banal silliness
I am definitely giving it a look, if for no other reason than I'd like to check out a show that features two main characters that are brown skinned black women who are central to the plot and three additional black women that are recurring characters. In a genre show even one black woman is rare and I am a big fan of genre shows.
Tina wrote: "I am definitely giving it a look, if for no other reason than I'd like to check out a show that features two main characters that are brown skinned black women who are central to the plot and three..."Same. I hate how rare it is to have a black woman main character — especially one who is unambiguous and brown or dark — except for when it’s to do with racism or struggle in some way. (And the rare shows that don’t do that get cancelled.) Same reason I’m eagerly awaiting Sandman on Netflix though I don’t know a thing about the comics it’s based on. But there are going to be four black women in the show, at least two main characters/important to the plot. I’ll also be checking out CW’s Naomi, it looks interesting.
This is in the early stages of development: https://bookstacked.com/book-to-film/...It’s going to be a tv series. If they stay faithful to the book, it will be ir: black woman/South Asian man. I honestly feel like I’m in a fever dream; I love this book but never thought I’d see the day it was optioned for adaptation. Things are finally turning around, it seems.
Rebecca wrote: "This is in the early stages of development: https://bookstacked.com/book-to-film/..."Great news. I love interracial couple that doesn't simply limit to white love interest.
I'm a comic book fan, and I didn't even know CW is doing live action adaption of Naomi. Cool, I will watch it next year.
Mosaic wrote: "Great news. I love interracial couple that doesn't simply limit to white love interest."Same, though I understand why that happens. Art imitating life, those couples being the most common and longer lasting (generally). Also the prevalence of white actors in media.
I’m not a comic book fan but I’m still very willing to watch. It can’t be as bad as Iron Fist and what they did to Misty (not least because Naomi is the lead and Misty wasn’t so I don’t think they’ll be able to do Naomi dirty in the same way).
Rebecca wrote: "Art imitating life, those couples being the most common and longer lasting (generally). Also the prevalence of white actors in media."I know some of my friend's friend is in interracial marriage. They're an example of blasian couple though. It's not rare. At least not where I'm at.
House of Dragon is including POC with some biracial characters. One of the roles is Laena Velaryon, and she is the wife to Matt Smith's character, Daemon Targaryen. Laena's brother, Laenor, is the husband to Rhaenyra. I can safely assume there is IR romance or, in the case of GOT seasons, sex.
Forgot to mention that Amazon releases a trailer of a book turned tv show called The Wheel of Time featuring multiracial characters. https://youtu.be/3Fus4Xb_TLg
Yeah, I am stoked about A Wheel of Time. As a book series it pre-dates Game Of Thrones and all 12 (I think it is 12) books are complete. As a matter of fact, I was waiting for the next installment of A Wheel of Time (I think it was book 5) back in the late 90s and wanted something like it to read until the next book came out and that is how I discovered Game Of Thrones. So for me WOT was my gateway drug to GOT. LOL.
When they first posted the casting I was stoked because the casting is very multicultural. Also a romance that happens in the book between two characters, Nynaeve and Lan, will -- if it follows the books -- be an IR romance between two actors of color. So that is cool.
Mosaic wrote: I know some of my friend's friend is in interracial marriage. They're an example of blasian couple though. It's not rare. At least not where I'm at.I have a cousin who’s blasian (South Asian, specifically) but her parents separated. Asians, where I live, heavily prefer to date within their own cultures. It’s the same with most people actually, but by far the most common ir couples will have one white person and one poc, not two poc from different ethnicities together.
Mosaic wrote: House of Dragon is including POC with some biracial characters. One of the roles is Laena Velaryon, and she is the wife to Matt Smith's character, Daemon Targaryen. Laena's brother, Laenor, is the husband to Rhaenyra. I can safely assume there is IR romance or, in the case of GOT seasons, sex.
Laenor is gay so any ir relationship with him won’t be including Rhaenyra. Have no idea what they’re going to do with Daemon and Laena, my memory of the book is fuzzy but I think their marriage was at least amicable. Slight post-season one spoiler: (view spoiler)
Rebecca wrote: "Laenor is gay so any ir relationship with him won’t be including Rhaenyra. "Lmao, yeah, I expect him to be in IR relationship with guys.
Anyway, Netflix's book turned movie, There's Someone Inside Your House, has IR relationships in it. 2 IR couples in fact. It's out now.
Mosaic wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Laenor is gay so any ir relationship with him won’t be including Rhaenyra. "Lmao, yeah, I expect him to be in IR relationship with guys.
Honestly, thinking about the way the book goes, HotD is the last series I’d recommend for anyone looking for ir in genre tv. Not unless they add original characters who aren’t in the book.
I’m not too keen on horror/thrillers but I might give the film a go, the book it’s based on sounds interesting.
Rebecca wrote: "I’m not too keen on horror/thrillers but I might give the film a go, the book it’s based on sounds interesting."It's decent. The dialogue is bit heavy handed, but I understand why, b/c we American audience like to be spoon feed on certain things.
Also, I don't know if anyone mentions this, but Hulu's book turned tv show Little Fires Everywhere has IR relationships involved with black woman. One of the POC characters is in triangle love with the brothers.
I’ve seen that show (it’s on Prime in the uk), I found that to be a little heavy handed, especially after hearing it’s different in the book. I mean the themes, not the triangle.Shadow and Bone is a YA fantasy on Netflix that has prominent ir relationships with the main character (mixed Chinese and white) in a triangle of sorts. Because I know the books here too I know that in later seasons there will be more ir relationships, both lgbt and hetero. One of those, which is the former, will be featuring a bw, Nadia, and a Chinese (possibly biracial) woman called Tamar who will be introduced in s2.
Rebecca wrote: "I found that to be a little heavy handed, especially after hearing it’s different in the book. I mean the themes, not the triangle."I thought the show is very poignant, and I really like the ending of Little Fires Everywhere. It's well done in acting and script.
I didn't really like Shadow and Bone only because I don't think Jessie Mei Li act well. It's her constant blank expression that just throws me off.
Also, for those who watch Venom, it also have villain IR couple involved with BW, so there's that.
I think Kit Young is Shadow and Bones’ best actor followed by Danielle Galligan, the others I am less sure of (yes, even Ben Barnes, lol) but imo Jessie’s not the worst (I wouldn’t agree with her having a blank expression but I suppose we see things differently). They’re all fairly new actors as well (except for Ben) so there’s certainly room for them to grow. I look forward to seeing more of Gabrielle Brooks (Nadia), I love her personality, she’s so bubbly. I love seeing bw like that onscreen.Naomie Harris? I know she’s in Venom (and a villain reportedly). I haven’t seen it yet but I’m planning to.
Rebecca wrote: "yes, even Ben Barnes, lol"Color me surprised. Ben Barnes is never the definition of good actor. He depends on visual, not acting skills. My expectation for him is always low. But then again, I never watch Shadow and Bones. I only saw the trailer, and then I saw a few clips from Jessi Mei Li in it.
I'm, like,
I always want to watch something with decent acting skills; if the acting is bad, I ain't watch it.
Nowadays, I'm watching Black Sails and, sometimes, Vikings. Vikings is not historically accurate at all, but I anticipate Vikings Valhalla all the same. I did notice that they cast WOC as Jarl Haakon though.
Mosaic wrote: “Color me surprised. Ben Barnes is never the definition of good actor. He depends on visual, not acting skills. My expectation for him is always low.”Well, it’s not that he’s bad per se, it’s just the others I mentioned are better (though much less established) and he’s playing a different character to the one in the books, in no small part because of him, I heard. I won’t say much for spoilers just that I wasn’t expecting that sort of performance with that particular character (which is neither a good thing or a bad thing, I’d need to see the other seasons to know where the show is going with him and decide which it was).
Mosaic wrote: "But then again, I never watch Shadow and Bones. I only saw the trailer, and then I saw a few clips from Jessi Mei Li in it."
Oh, I thought you’d seen the actual show. If fantasy’s your thing, you should check it out. Your opinion might change after watching. I get what you mean about acting skills though.
Mosaic wrote: "Nowadays, I'm watching Black Sails and, sometimes, Vikings. Vikings is not historically accurate at all, but I anticipate Vikings Valhalla all the same. I did notice that they cast WOC as Jarl Haakon though"
I quit Vikings about s3 or 4, it got a bit nonsensical for me, don’t know if I’ll watch this sequel even with Caroline Henderson (Jarl Haakon).
Her character description seems like more of the same tbh.
“Portrayed by Danish-Swedish actress-singer Caroline Henderson, Jarl Haakon is the ruler of Kattegat, one of the key settings in the original Vikings and which served as the seat of power for Ragnar Lothbrok and his family.
Netflix’s official description of the character calls her a “great warrior and tolerant leader” who “rules Kattegat with a steady hand. Though Pagan, she has managed to keep Kattegat a city open to all faiths in a challenging time.”
Great warrior isn’t so bad being as it’s a Vikings spinoff, so I know many of the women there were also warriors but I wonder if that’s all her character will be? Will there be any more depth to her than that?
“She will become a powerful mentor to Freydis, who is drawn to her wisdom.”
Nothing I haven’t heard before, it’s really not enticing me to watch this show tbh cos I still have the above question. Mentor. Is that all? Is she going to have any sort of storyline outside of guiding Freydis?
“There’s speculation Jarl Haakon may be inspired by the historical figure Haakon Ericsson, who was Earl of Lade and governor of Norway.”
If I hear good things about this show I might watch it but as of now I’m personally not interested. I’ve seen the way this plays out before, especially with racebent characters (though not always like with Misty Knight who wasn’t racebent and I’ve heard things about Chicago Med’s April and Maggie). Too often they just get sidelined, given crumbs of a storyline, less nuanced arcs and if they’re ever put in a romantic situation the couple has a fifty percent chance of being endgame etc etc. Again not saying it will go like this for sure in Vikings but I’m just wary at this point, esp since she’s the only woc in the main cast. I’ve just seen it too many times, seen bw be little more than stepping stones in other characters’ (usually white characters’) arcs and it’s why I don’t watch much tv and if I do, I don’t expect anything at this point or I expect the worst; sometimes I just disassociate (for lack of a better word) and enjoy the acting/plot from a viewer’s perspective, and not the perspective of someone underrepresented looking for positive representation.
Don’t know if I explained it well but I hope that makes sense. It’s why I love Blood & Water and hope more shows like it get greenlit: there’s more than one black girl (so no tokenism) with a variety of personalities represented and the focus of the show has nothing to do with race/racism, they’re just ordinary teens living life (more or less), allowed to be multifaceted and have/be love interests with a hefty chance of one or two of those couples being endgame, not to mention a young black girl at the centre of a love triangle. That in itself is rare. (The girl in Little Fires Everywhere was biracial or supposed to be even if Jesse Williams, her onscreen father, is biracial himself—but he does pass for white, certainly I thought he was being unfamiliar with the actor before then. I don’t know if she’s biracial irl, but I heard she is. But I remember the white girl (the sister of the two brothers) once saying she was pretty then asking if she was mixed-race because she looked it. I’d heard stuff like that happened sometimes to black girls, being told they’re pretty for a black girl, being asked if they were mixed (and I even experience it myself a little since I have keen features) but still, that part of the show was… something else.)
Black Sails I’ve seen and I absolutely loved it. Madi and Silver’s chemistry was really really good. I’d love to see Zethu in more stuff. I saw her in this South African film once. I’m gonna look up the name. She was a different person, smiling, joking, so different to Madi. The film is called Fanie Fourie's Lobola. It’s ir, bwwm.
Rebecca wrote: "If I hear good things about this show I might watch it but as of now I’m personally not interested. I’ve seen the way this plays out before, especially with racebent characters (though not always like with Misty Knight who wasn’t racebent and I’ve heard things about Chicago Med’s April and Maggie). Too often they just get sidelined, given crumbs of a storyline, less nuanced arcs and if they’re ever put in a romantic situation the couple has a fifty percent chance of being endgame etc etc."That's true. Most of the times, WOC don't get the endgame in love, or they get in depth development in characterization. It's sad to see. I'll let you know if Viking Valhalla will have in depth for WOC character, but yeah, I doubt it too. Cause Vikings killed off the Chinese character like it was nothing. Lol. To be fair, it makes no damn sense to have Chinese princess in Vikings at all. It makes more sense if they have Mongolian, but not Chinese. Simply because Tang Dynasty in China during that time was very wealthy and considered to be one of most powerful countries in the world during that period. Although Byzantine Empire did have contact with Tang Dynasty, but it was nothing about Vikings.
Rebecca wrote: It’s why I love Blood & Water and hope more shows like it get greenlit: there’s more than one black girl (so no tokenism) with a variety of personalities represented and the focus of the show has nothing to do with race/racism, they’re just ordinary teens living life (more or less), allowed to be multifaceted and have/be love interests with a hefty chance of one or two of those couples being endgame, not to mention a young black girl at the centre of a love triangle. That in itself is rare....But I remember the white girl (the sister of the two brothers) once saying she was pretty then asking if she was mixed-race because she looked it. I’d heard stuff like that happened sometimes to black girls, being told they’re pretty for a black girl, being asked if they were mixed (and I even experience it myself a little since I have keen features) but still, that part of the show was… something else.)"
I understand what you're saying, because shows like Little Fires Everywhere is very much race centered show. The show is pointing out the covert racism in white characters (even those who considered to themselves as accepting and progressive), and it is very much social and political commentary about different social classes and racial groups. In the case of what you point out, it is to point out the racial hypocrisy in Caucasian characters even though they are considered to be "open-minded and progressive" compared to other racists. The scriptwriters are very sharp when it comes to social commentary about racial bias treatments. And Little Fires Everywhere hints about the rich vs poor, which is an issue in hyper-capitalistic world.
I mean, that's why Parasite and Squid Game resonant with people in present times. And I'm one of those who watched both Parasite and Squid Game as well.
As for Fanie Fourie's Lobola, I'm gonna give it a try. Shadow and Bones, on the other hand, lol, nah. I have better chance of watching webtoon turned K-drama on Netflix than that show. Even though I love fantasy books, Shadow and Bones ain't my thing. Idk, I just find the female protagonist very Mary Sue-esque based on the synopsis, and the main actress who played Mary Sue eque character turn me off in the trailer too. And this is coming from someone like me who watched a few triangle love in Kdrama. Lol.
Mosaic wrote: "That's true. Most of the times, WOC don't get the endgame in love, or they get in depth development in characterization. It's sad to see. I'll let you know if Viking Valhalla will have in depth for WOC character, but yeah, I doubt it too. Cause Vikings killed off the Chinese character like it was nothing. Lol. To be fair, it makes no damn sense to have Chinese princess in Vikings at all. It makes more sense if they have Mongolian, but not Chinese. Simply because Tang Dynasty in China during that time was very wealthy and considered to be one of most powerful countries in the world during that period. Although Byzantine Empire did have contact with Tang Dynasty, but it was nothing about Vikings."Thanks. I remember that, that was one of the things that confused me and turned me off from the show. This and another female character they killed (can’t remember her name). Oh, I didn’t know that, thanks for the history lesson (I love history).
I get that, I just didn’t expect them to go there in the show. Not complaining or anything, just trying to give my thoughts. I heard they’re not black in the book either so… But I do think that racial bias is another consequence/tenet of colourism (and featurism/texturism) that’s sort of brushed under the rug, as it were, not as highlighted as it should be: the notion that being biracial (or at least having a certain racial ambiguity) makes you (more) attractive, worthy of love, protection, happiness etc. I do mean generally, not only as it pertains to Little Fires Everywhere. For instance on MelaninMonroeMedia (linked a few pages back) where the blog’s aim is showcasing black woman who are desired in media, most of the black actresses featured on that blog are lightskinned and/or biracial. So much so the creator made a tag just for darkskinned women, they were such a minority. There was an American study about that recently: https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/...
There’s a further breakdown of the study here, the tweets really aligning with my own thoughts on this: https://blackfemmecharacterdependency...
I haven’t yet seen Parasite and don’t know if I’ll see Squid Game, not quite my thing, the latter.
Lol! The main character is actually way better than she was in the books, they fleshed her out and gave her less Su-ish tendencies, more of a personality etc etc but fair enough. But do give Fanie Fourie's Lobola a try, it’s been a while but I remember liking it well enough.
On the vein of rom-coms, I saw the trailer for Boxing Day with Aja Naomi King. I’m excited. It’s about time someone put her in a rom-com. The film’s main pairing is not ir but based on what I could make out in the trailer Stephen Dillane is going to be the boyfriend? partner? of (I think) Marianne Jean Baptiste’s character—and it’s going to shake things up by the looks of things. Also I can’t wait to see Tamara Lawrance, some of my favourite actresses all in one film.
Also 355 dropped a second trailer. That does look like it will have an ir pairing, with Lupita’s character.
Rebecca wrote: "I heard they’re not black in the book either so… But I do think that racial bias is another consequence/tenet of colourism (and featurism/texturism) that’s sort of brushed under the rug, as it were, not as highlighted as it should be: the notion that being biracial (or at least having a certain racial ambiguity) makes you (more) attractive, worthy of love, protection, happiness etc. "Yeah, I think that's the whole social commentary in Little Fires Everywhere. It's to point out that racial bias under the assumption that light-skinned = attractive, and Eurocentric beauty POV = standard beauty. And yes, Little Fires Everywhere the book didn't have POC characters other than Chinese character.
As I mention before, colorism very much exists in media, and the sad thing is that people think hiring more light-skinned POC means racism/colorism no longer exist.
Remember this truth about POC:
Rebecca wrote: "I haven’t yet seen Parasite and don’t know if I’ll see Squid Game, not quite my thing, the latter."
You should watch Parasite. It's very funny but insightful social commentary about human greed and capitalism, which is very true. I personally enjoy the dark comedy in it. Squid Game is gory, and I can see why certain people aren't into it.
Rebecca wrote: "On the vein of rom-coms, I saw the trailer for Boxing Day with Aja Naomi King. "
I honestly wish there are more fantasy/action/sci-fi starring POC characters as main protagonist, not just biracial light-skinned POC. It's good to see rom-com, but I want more variety on TV too.
As for Lupita's love interest in 355, I remember the trailer shows that Lupita's white love interest die right in the beginning.
That’s pretty on point. But what’s tvdu?Mosaic wrote: "I honestly wish there are more fantasy/action/sci-fi starring POC characters as main protagonist, not just biracial light-skinned POC. It's good to see rom-com, but I want more variety on TV too."
Same. But at least this is a start. Women who look like her aren’t usually cast as the love interest. Plus rom-coms have the requisite HEA—Happily Ever After, so no matter what happens we know everything will turn out okay in the end. That’s not the case with other genres as the tweet you posted shows.
Mosaic wrote: "As for Lupita's love interest in 355, I remember the trailer shows that Lupita's white love interest die right in the beginning. "
He’s just captured and at gunpoint. They don’t show anything else. So he’s in danger but he may live. Films have pulled off more nonsensical things. (Also I think he’s Latino.) I consider Lupita even having a love interest progress seeing as it’s usually the black woman of the cast who’s single and not given a love interest or any romantic attachments (or if they are they’re not endgame (like Dick and Kory in Titans? Don’t have any idea what’s going on with them in the show but in the comics they’re not endgame and Brenton apparently said they might not be in the show either) or they’re only given crumbs compared to other cast members and their romantic storylines (like Josie in Riverdale).
Michaela Coel spoke on this somewhat in this interview: https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/ce...
The best friend role she turned down was much of the same, oversexualised, just there for comedy purposes, no love interest(s). Meanwhile the lead gets three men interested in her at the same time. The lead in the original play the film was based on was biracial. Michaela says in another interview that she took the lead role so that little black girls could see themselves represented positively onscreen.
Rebecca wrote: "what's TVDU?"TVDU refers to The Vampire Diaries universe, but to me, it applies to every show/movie tbh.
Now that we're talking about Lupita, I just remember Lupita's movie, Little Monsters, also feature IR romance too. I'm gonna watch the movie.
Mosaic wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "what's TVDU?"TVDU refers to The Vampire Diaries universe, but to me, it applies to every show/movie tbh.
Now that we're talking about Lupita, I just remember Lupita's movie, Lit..."
Oh, I see. I didn't keep up with that show but it makes sense from what i rememeber.
It does, yeah. Loved her character's personality there. (The other lead... not so much but ymmv.)
You on Netflix has an IR couple this season (season 3). Shalita Grant and Travis Van Winkle play Sherry and Cary Conrad. And they are great, there is a good payoff if you stick through the season.
Hmm, I notice alot of Netflix adult romance shows starring with light skinned WOC. I watched You season 3, but it's always having biracial black actresses as love interests, in this case, Tati Gabrielle being half black half Korean. With that said, Tati Gabrielle is such talented actress. She is so cute in the Korean magazines.
Just started watching You. It’s a good show. Almost finished with first season
Mosaic wrote: "Hmm, I notice alot of Netflix adult romance shows starring with light skinned WOC. I watched You season 3, but it's always having biracial black actresses as love interests, in this case, Tati Gabrielle..."Yeah, I don't even count her since she becomes his new 'You' and Joe's 'You's' aren't really love interests as much as they are objects of obsession that he will eventually turn on because none of them really satisfy his obsession. They never end well.
But I loved Sherry (played by Shalita Grant) and Carey. They are the Alpha couple of their little affluent town and became -- especially her -- outright scene stealers. She was a delight in the role. And the back half of the season they really shine.
Ohhhhh I wanna join this discussion too!!!Yes, I agree there are less dark skinned black woman compare to lighter skinned or biracial black woman in mainstream. It's very annoying, because when they do hire a dark skinned black woman, she either have a very secondary role or is just a "main" protagonist with lesser screentime.
I've watched so far
There's Someone Inside Your House- I watched this one the other day and I felt like the story was just mehhh and I still dun understand why that painkiller guy had to die. Also the ir ship between the painkiller guy and the black girl was so brief ....there is hardly any reaction after he died ...I guess.
Titans - Starfire's character is so underrated. I'm getting sick of Robin/Nightwish batman and whatever dilemma BS story. Blackfire and Superboy is also a new IR couple but I feel like they won't last long because that's what they did to Starfire too. Also they still don't seem to get her hair right, the wig is so bad. Blackfire hair looks much more natural and suits her. I don't really have much hope for Titans, I thought S3 was suppose to be more about Starfire's past life but dayum .....
Shadow and Bone - Yes there is a book series with the show name and another one called Six of crows. The TV show is a combination of both. This book and TV show is very diverse in terms of race and LGBTQ. I love the show and the book so far. As far as I know Alina (the main protagonist) in the book is not biracial but for the TV show they wanted to cast someone with Asian background. Which is fine by me :)
Travelers - This one started out really good but OMG, I quickly got sick of the main protagnist MacLaren's storyline. Suppose he and Carly (bw) was suppose to be lover from the future but when they travel to the past their relationship simply died off. I mean, the girl from the future is white but in the past her host is black. Carly is one of the main Traveler team but her screentime and storyline sucked!!. They choose to explore MacLaren and his wife story more compare to other Traveler. While the whole plot concept is awesome, I still feel like they failed alot especially when they keep focusing the series with 3 out of 5 Travelers.
Black is Beltza (Netflix) - I only watched it halfway, so far it looks pretty good. Based on 60's black rights movements I think.
You - yeah...no
Deviki wrote: "There's Someone Inside Your House- I watched this one the other day and I felt like the story was just mehhh and I still dun understand why that painkiller guy had to die. Also the ir ship between the painkiller guy and the black girl was so brief ....there is hardly any reaction after he died ...I guess. "Spoiler for the book which I haven’t personally read but I looked up the differences between it and the film cos I was curious though I haven’t seen the film either and don’t plan to (view spoiler)
Deviki wrote: "Titans - Starfire's character is so underrated. I'm getting sick of Robin/Nightwish batman and whatever dilemma BS story. Blackfire and Superboy is also a new IR couple but I feel like they won't last long because that's what they did to Starfire too. Also they still don't seem to get her hair right, the wig is so bad. Blackfire hair looks much more natural and suits her. I don't really have much hope for Titans, I thought S3 was suppose to be more about Starfire's past life but dayum ....."
I actually like Starfire’s hair this time round; it looked more natural. But I haven’t caught up on the latest episodes since Blackfire and Connor hooked up, I’m just not interested — in the whole show really. They’ve neglected Kory too much. I do like Connor and Blackfire though, they have really good chemistry, I just don’t know if they’ll be endgame cos I heard she’s not exactly a beacon of morality in the comics. (To that I say, why not give her a redemption arc if they go down that path in the show? Writers generally love handing out redemption arcs like they’re handing out candy. Why not give her one cos I’d take them as endgame over Dick and Kory. I don’t care. Dick and Kory has gone stale for me. It’s a ship sustained by crumbs. Certainly that’s what I saw on their tumblr tag when I browsed it trying to muster up some enthusiasm for the ship. At least Connor and Blackfire have meaningful conversations onscreen. Kory deserves better, she deserves to be first choice, by Dick or whichever potential romantic partner she has and by the writers. But they’ve chosen to focus more on Dick and Barbara…)
Re: Shadow and Bone. Alina is white in the books but she does live near the border of Ravka (fantasy Russia) and Shu Han (essentially fantasy China). Leigh Bardugo, the author of the books, wanted to rectify the lack of diversity that had been present in her, to quote her directly, “very straight, very white” books that were a product of their time.
I’ve not seen those other shows. You don’t like You?
Blood and Water s2 has a bwwm couple. They’re an unexpected pairing so I won’t say who; for me while watching I enjoyed how unexpected they were. They have lots of potential and lots of chemistry.
Deviki wrote: "There's Someone Inside Your House- I watched this one the other day and I felt like the story was just mehhh and I still dun understand why that painkiller guy had to die. Also the ir ship between the painkiller guy and the black girl was so brief ....there is hardly any reaction after he died ...I guess."There's Someone Inside Your House's main female protagonist is definitely leaning toward dark-brown skinned, though biracial (half Korean half black), she is definitely not light skinned as Tati Gabrielle.
I agree with Tina about You. Love interest is the word I would describe from Joe's POV, because all these girls are symbolic of his "love." To we audience, it's object of obsession for Joe.
Rebecca wrote: "Leigh Bardugo, the author of the books, wanted to rectify the lack of diversity that had been present in her, to quote her directly, “very straight, very white” books that were a product of their time."Ok, this part makes me giggle because 'product of their time"? Did she really say that??? Because those books came out in 2012 not 1912.
Tina wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Ok, this part makes me giggle because 'product of their time"?"Welp, I definitely agree with Leigh (the author) about "product of their time," cause her protagonist is very definition of magical flashlight Mary Sue. Which is very popular among fanbase similar to Twilight.
Tina wrote: "Ok, this part makes me giggle because 'product of their time"? Did she really say that??? Because those books came out in 2012 not 1912. "Haha! Ok, I’m kinda paraphrasing, I don’t remember her exact wording but she said something like how she was influenced by what she grew up reading and was around her at the time and her works really do share lots of tropes with popular YA from back then like the Hunger Games and Twilight: limited first person pov, as Mosaic said Mary Su, self insert protagonist (in the vein of Bella Swan), love triangle. She got better from Six of Crows onwards but her original Grisha trilogy was very bad and tropey. And very straight and white, as she noted.
Mosaic wrote: "There's Someone Inside Your House's main female protagonist is definitely leaning toward dark-brown skinned, though biracial (half Korean half black), she is definitely not light skinned as Tati Gabrielle."
As much as I’m not gonna watch the film, I just wanna say I’m glad we’re getting some variety in the biracial actresses they’re giving exposure to. Finally. Darkskinned and brownskinned biracial people do exist. It’s about time they showed that. (Also I think Sydney Park could have totally been the protagonist in the movie Everything, Everything. Did they not she existed back then or something?)
Rebecca wrote: "Haha! Ok, I’m kinda paraphrasing, I don’t remember her exact wording but she said something like how she was influenced by what she grew up reading and was around her at the time and her works really do share lots of tropes with popular YA from back then like the Hunger Games and Twilight: limited first person pov, as Mosaic said Mary Su, self insert protagonist (in the vein of Bella Swan), love triangle. She got better from Six of Crows onwards but her original Grisha trilogy was very bad and tropey. And very straight and white, as she noted."Ah, gotcha. Ok that makes sense. The original way I read it was giving me very much a 'Black people weren't invented yet" energy. LOL.
Rebecca wrote: "Deviki wrote: "There's Someone Inside Your House- I watched this one the other day and I felt like the story was just mehhh and I still dun understand why that painkiller guy had to die. Also the i..."Yes I agree, its more natural compare to season 2 and season 1 but if you watch the show (season 3) there is a hair change halfway through the show and each time there is a fighting scene for Kory she tend to look like she is struggling with her hair. Pushing it away from her face and clutching at it while talking. Not sure If i'm looking into it too much or what but compare Blackfire's hair it didn't look too great to me.
Nope I don't ever want Dick and Kory together she is honestly better off without him. I feel like Dick is this dude that gets all the hot chic in the show but "wait, i'm a sob with commitment issue". Nope...I wish Kory will find a better partner in the future.
Connor and Blackfire, yes they had great chemistry in the show but they also hinted that Connor screwed up at the end with her spaceship. I don't really have high hopes for these two because I can see they just gonna make them Dick/Kory 2.0. But I can't help ship them because they're a cute couple.
No I don't like You. HAHA
Shadow and Bone - I've only read Six of Crows (SOC) duology and from what I read they seem very diverse. I will be reading Shadow and Bones soon and then the other duology. As far as I know, Alina is white with white hair in the book, when they first introduced the actor casting for the show, a lot of people was not happy that Alina is going to cast as biracial asian because Shu Han nation is suppose to be their enemy and casting biracial asian to play Alina kinda shift her background story a lil bit. At least that's what I remember reading from the TV show hype updates but honestly I can't be sure until i actually read the books. But at least from the SOC book, it seem like Shu Han are one of the villain nation next to the Fjerdans , Ravka's enemy. Race wise it suppose to be a fantasy race/nation but based on our own reality. But from SOC it's pretty diverse to me.
Mosaic wrote: "Tina wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Ok, this part makes me giggle because 'product of their time"?"Welp, I definitely agree with Leigh (the author) about "product of their time," cause her protagonist i..."
I don't think Inej Ghafa from SOC is anything like magical Mary Sue. I do not agree they're close to Twilight series ewww. I don't know which books you are referring to but SOC is def not like that ......
Oh wait just saw ur other response ok so you're referring to Shadow and Bones. Gosh I hope I hope it's not that bad !! Because I really want to read the series because of Zoya Nazyalensky.
Deviki wrote: "I don't think Inej Ghafa from SOC is anything like magical Mary Sue. I do not agree they're close to Twilight series ewww. I don't know which books you are referring to but SOC is def not like that ......Oh wait just saw ur other response ok so you're referring to Shadow and Bones. Gosh I hope I hope it's not that bad !! Because I really want to read the series because of Zoya Nazyalensky."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Idk why you're irked that Leigh's books comparing to Twilight. Their fanbases are similar in the same vein. Alina is magical flashlight Mary Sue, but it's harmless. As for Inej, I'm gonna do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. At the end of the day, it's what fans want -- Mary Sue or not. Most authors project themselves, whether they want to or not. It's in our subconscious that we project ourselves into the media subliminally.
Like Martin Scorsese once said, the most personal is the most creative. Which is why authors tend to write from their experience subjectively, often with their fantasy projecting into their self insert characters.
Obviously, I prefer the authors not to do conscious projection onto self insert characters.
I'm rewatching some of my childhood rerun tv shows like A Different World. In one of the episodes - season 4 ep 15, it has one of the main protagonists - Kim, who is dark skinned black woman, having IR with a white classmate. 
Deviki wrote: "Yes I agree, its more natural compare to season 2 and season 1 but if you watch the show (season 3) there is a hair change halfway through the show and each time there is a fighting scene for Kory she tend to look like she is struggling with her hair. Pushing it away from her face and clutching at it while talking. Not sure If i'm looking into it too much or what but compare Blackfire's hair it didn't look too great to me. "Honestly their fight scenes are either too fast, too dark or both for me to be able to make out anything so no wonder I hardly noticed, lol.
Deviki wrote: "Nope I don't ever want Dick and Kory together she is honestly better off without him."
Cosign. Like you soundly believe.
Deviki wrote: "I feel like Dick is this dude that gets all the hot chic in the show but "wait, i'm a sob with commitment issue". Nope...I wish Kory will find a better partner in the future."
I feel she might be getting the Misty Knight treatment. But according to some things I’ve read online this pairing has always been a bit of a hot potato: apparently it’s common in their various iterations for the relationship between Kory and Dick to be sidelined. In one comic storyline, he left her a single mother to get (back?) together with Barbara. And apparently even Brenton (Dick’s actor) had said the endgame is Dick and someone else (either Dawn or Barbara, I’ve heard different things). Who knows if that’s true. As I said, I’ve not caught up on the show post Connor and Blackfire getting together and don’t really have much enthusiasm to, as much as I’d love to watch to support Anna and Damaris.
Can I ask why you don’t like You?
Rebecca wrote: "Deviki wrote: "Yes I agree, its more natural compare to season 2 and season 1 but if you watch the show (season 3) there is a hair change halfway through the show and each time there is a fighting ..."I do wanna see more of Connor and Blackfire. I hope they get more screen time next season and Kory too.
I don't know I just didn't find "YOU" all that interesting. I can't positively point out what I didn't like about the show but it just didn't perk my interest is all.
Yeah, You's subject matter isn't for everyone. I mean, it centers on a guy who gets obsessed by finding his one true love, stalking her, killing everyone who gets into his way and then if she isn't on-board he turns on her.You season 1 was good in a very shocking way.
You season 2 -- not great. I could not get into at all and only made it to three eps maybe.
You season 3 is a riot, tho. A lot more humor, albeit very dark. Joe is on the other end of the stick because his wife is possibly a bigger psychopathic killer than he is and she is completely capable of killing him. But, imo, it is the presence of Shalita Grant as the momfluencer Sherry Conrad and her marriage to Uber-physical Alpha dude, Carey that is a high point. They eat every scene they are in (especially her). Also they are really in love so even though they present at first as really superficial, by the end you understand they are an incredibly functional and truly in love couple.
S3 takes place in a wealthy suburban community with lots of married couples and is well represented by IR couples. Joe's 'You' obsession Marienne is unlucky in love, what with being Joe's 'You' in this season. But her ex is a white guy who is gaslighting her. Her BFF is a white gay guy who is married to a black guy, there is Sherry and Carey, and also Sherry's BFF is an Asian woman married to a white guy.
Interesting. Thanks for the breakdown. Can’t say it sounds like my kind of show but maybe I’ll check it out on a slow day.
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LOL, no, Klaus was definitely a Nazi soldier, but ex-Nazi. He was fighting for Nazi cause, and that made him a Nazi...."
I see. Cos I just remembered he does address this himself when he tells Cassandra 'not all Germans are Nazis'. And that is true, not all Germans were Nazis. But I can't remember season 1 very well so I don't know if he was truly for the idealogy and what was happening in Germany. I don't think so though. In that case I believe calling him a Nazi would be a dilution of the word. If he wasn't a member of the party or a follower of the idealogy then he wasn't imo.