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message 4801: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Jaye wrote: "I am absolutely shocked and appalled (and extremely irritated, can you tell?) that I have to make my posts in the form of a complaint. Where do I complain about this?"

Jaye you sly devil highly regarded complainer I regret to be so grumpred out as to fall prey to your trap and admit you complain about that right here just like you've done so annoyingly efficiently in one fell swoop.


message 4802: by Jaye (last edited Jul 12, 2013 04:16PM) (new)

Jaye McKenna I am also extremely annoyed to discover that the complaint department is so mired in efficiency that the standard complaint form (to be filled out in triplicate) is lacking the puce copy. Since this normally would be sent to Accounts Receivable, I am highly irritated to have to overlook it.


message 4803: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Jaye wrote: "I am also extremely annoyed to discover that the complaint department is so mired in efficiency that the standard complaint form (to be filled out in triplicate) is lacking the puce copy. Since thi..."

We are outrageously besmirched by your suggestion that ourslush fund in overseas banks accounts receivable resources are less than 100 percent lacking in puce we are quite sure any inquiries into fiscal responsibility for puce paper will totally exonerate us.


message 4804: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I have a complaint. I really hate books where the supposed heroine acts so dominant and strong and the first the male "hero" comes near her, she melts like a marshmallow. I mean, in the first chapters of the book. Grrr. She wants to lead a pack but everything she does with this one character is designed to make her his second or something. I don't think I can finish it. I mean I don't mind weak passive females but not when they start out pretending they want to be in charge. Really makes me mad!


message 4805: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Elorie wrote: "I have a complaint. I really hate books where the supposed heroine acts so dominant and strong and the first the male "hero" comes near her, she melts like a marshmallow. I mean, in the first cha..."

A petulant hello to you, Yllassr.


message 4806: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I hate it when the real world keeps me from venting my spleen here on complaints. And such a large spleen it is. A truly irritable greeting to you, Averin.


message 4807: by Keri (new)

Keri Reeves | 1 comments I hate GMOs! I hate the fact that I'm scared to eat anything because its in everything. Our food is not our grandparents food, and that is quite terrifying.


message 4808: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I am thoroughly annoyed by all the food additives. Especially when "they" change their minds from week to week about what is good and what isn't. Amd don't get me started on meds!!! I am diabetic and when I see on tv, lawyer central, all the types of insulin that can cause so many bad things! Freaking A. I have taken most of them at one time or another. Either they aren't tested enough, or the lawyers take the few bad results, and most have some people who react badly, and try to make another dollar off the pharmaceutical companies. Don't get me wrong, I could go on for ever about drug companies but all the trivial lawsuits only drives the cost of meds up for the rest of us. I am afraid that the world isn't driven by principle, but by greed.


message 4809: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments Elorie wrote: "I am thoroughly annoyed by all the food additives. Especially when "they" change their minds from week to week about what is good and what isn't. Amd don't get me started on meds!!! I am diabeti..."

I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that "all the trivial lawsuits" drive up the cost of meds. Your spouse/child/parent takes a drug and dies, or suffers permanent injuries. Asking for compensation for that kind of injury/loss is "trivial?"

You make the comment that most drugs have some people who react badly, so "the lawyers" take these "few bad results" and try to make another dollar off the drug companies. Are these the "trivial" suits you're talking about? You almost sound like you're saying that a few injuries or deaths are the price those people have to pay for development of the drug, and they should just shut up and deal with it, so as to reduce the possibility of the drug companies using litigation over bad products as a reason to jack prices up yet again.

I hope I misunderstood.

And then there's the "blame the lawyers" bit. Did it ever occur to those who play that game and demonize plaintiffs' attorneys that the bulk of any money recovered, by settlement or a jury verdict, goes to the people who were injured? Do they consider the fact that those lawyers spend thousands, sometimes tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money trying to get compensation for someone injured by a drug company's carelessness, a doctor's negligence, a driver's negligence, and the only way that money gets reimbursed is if they win.

Are there greedy, unscrupulous, plaintiffs' attorneys out there? Sure are. And they're matched by greedy, stretch-the-case-out-to-increase-hourly-billing, unscrupulous, sleazy defense lawyers. But I don't think it's fair to tar every lawyer with the same brush, simply because the legal profession has some bad apples...just like every other profession.

I also suggest that folks consider just what the consequences would be if drug companies, or any other product manufacturer, didn't have to face the possibility of a lawsuit when they cause death or injury. Does anyone truly believe that the world would be a safer place, and product prices would go down, and medicines would be cheaper, if only those pesky (expletives rarely deleted) lawyers weren't around to muck things up?

Ah, yet another of my hot buttons.

My apologies if offense was taken, as none was intended.

Eric


message 4810: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I am simply saying you are not going to get a hundred percent of no bad side effects in any drug. I am not saying all lawsuits are bad, just ones that are really "trivial". Ones that are designed to put money in the pockets of people who don't deserve it. I am not saying all lawyers are greedy or shady or whatever, and I certainly don't say people who are hurt by faulty testing, insufficient warnings etc, should not be compensated. Drug companies DO need to be held accountable, but in many cases, they are not. But when a case is not anything more than an attempt to get money, and the plaintiff wins, the drug companies are not who is held accountable. The company just raises the price. I did not mean when the case is such as you described. I meant when the action is truly trivial I seriously believe that the testing process is where the drug companies should be held accountable. Before there is a tragedy. And it is not always possible to predict the effect of a drug. 100% no side effect is not possible. There is always someone who could have a bad reaction and no way to predict. There are other factors, too. Are drug companies responsible for failure to administer as written or failure to read the instructions? But they are held so.
I take a number of drugs and I want those babies to be as safe as possible but I am also an analogous person, and almost every drug I have ever taken has given me unique side effects. I want the accountability to be earlier in the process, so that we don't allow the sleazes to make the court dockets be crammed with cases that prevent the hearing of legitimate grievances.
If this offends, well, we all have our own opinions and my hot spot is letting ANYONE get away with something, whether it be a fraudulent suit or an irresponsible drug company.


message 4811: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Whinging in here, I love cheese, but lactose hates me. I read somewhere, that if a food product's packaging says "New and improved" what they really mean is more lactose than ever.


message 4812: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments Well, being a diabetic, I learned quickly that "lite and any form of" usually means there is less in the package. And less of anything is always relative, depending on where you started. No sugar added also means, maybe there's high fructose or a variety of other pseudonyms that boil down to glucose or something less than step from it. Package labels are mostly a joke. Calories when many people nowadays say calorie counting is useless. Even fress vegetables and uncooked meat have things done to them. And I lived on soyburgers for years only to find out they are part of the reason I cant lose weight. To quote and old favorite of mine "Resistance is Futile." I may as well have my pay check direct deposited to the big corporations, I don't see my money long enough to get to know it.


message 4813: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Elorie wrote: "I hate it when the real world keeps me from venting my spleen here on complaints."

I am moaning and griping that this made me smile :-)


message 4814: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments I have to raise a stinking, moaning and groaning ruckus that in this thread (and this thread only) comments must conform to Rule 1.

"Rule 1. All posting of comments in the thread Post Complaints Here must being in the form of a complaint. Example: I am upset that…"

It's not hard. There are even examples posted on the top of the homepage: criticize, find fault, kick up a fuss, object, protest, air your grievances, grumble, carp, fuss, lament, bemoan, bewail, moan, whine, carry on, groan, kvetch, remonstrate, beef, bellyache, moan and groan, grouse, gripe, grump, bleat, whinge, squawk, squeal, and raise a stink...

The new name of what used to be Post Complaints Here is "Post Comments *in the Form of a Complaint* Here."

Comments only have to start off sounding like a complaint but after the beginning they can be anything, even complimentary.

Eric did a nice, subtle complaint using "I must respectfully disagree…" By the way there should be a rule that everyone must be nice to Eric because (1) He's sexy, and (2) He is our legal expert and we do not want to lose our legal expert because he helps us understanding strange legalese like "standing" which he used to explain why the Supreme Court wouldn't make its recent rulings on gay marriage apply to all the states in the US.

So I must protesterate that I'll stop my beeching now and reluctantly let you come up with creative words that sound like they might be complainy opening words for a post. They don't even have to be real words. Make something up like "composterate" if you can't think of a good complaint word. It just gets my goat and cheeses my off when the Complaint Department isn't complaining.

With gratitude for all your posting whether or they are complaints, empathy, agreement or silly. Have fun! Make friends!



message 4815: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments I shall carp that"Rule 1. All posting of comments in the thread Post Complaints Here must being in the form of a complaint. Example: I am upset that…" s/b must be in the form of a complaint.


message 4816: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Averin wrote: "I shall carp that"Rule 1. All posting of comments in the thread Post Complaints Here must being in the form of a complaint. Example: I am upset that…" s/b must be in the form of a complaint."

I'm all rattled and turned about that this is an excellent complaint. The Complaint Department thanks you.


message 4817: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 13, 2013 09:33PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments

To vote in a poll click on Polls in the upper right corner of this page or go to this link:
http://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/95...

We have two new polls the first is What's your favorite band or group? (You are encouraged to write in your favorite band.)



A companion poll is Who is your favorite singer? Write-in votes are encouraged.


Woody Guthrie writer/performer of "This Land is Your Land"



message 4818: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments POLL CLOSED What spice or herb appeals to you best right at moment. It's qualified with "right at this moment" since most all them are appealing at other moments in time. Write-in votes are allowed.

The winners were Cinnamon and Vanilla tied at 20 percent each. Somebody want to make up a batch of cinnamon vanilla cookies to give out as treats to the members who participated?


message 4819: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments About that rule. Was I the one who was obnoxious enough not to complain at first? I must apologize for not being grouchy enough to start. I aver that I was really complaining. I just complain so much at home that I had to make it sound like not-complaining and work into it. I promise to stop being so nice.


message 4820: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I am, to put it in as mild a form as possible, appalled, shocked, aghast, disgusted and horror-struck that



an astonishingly allusion-laden, bloody brilliant, cleverly complex, and definitely dazzling tale has acquired the reading and rating interest of less than one-half of one percent of the M/M Romance Group Horde.

A brief digression by the sexy quasi-legal expert: Not only did I never enter into a binding agreement whereby I would provide you with a rose garden, I have never committed to the issuance of only humble opinions, especially since mine are generally so awesomely accurate!

Back to the main thread: I am issuing a call to clicks! (or in the alternative, you may roll your mouse balls if you prefer, but frankly...eeeww).

Go here:

http://www.mmromancegroup.com/?page_i...

Scroll down to July 7, 2013, and once more unto the clicks, dear friends, once more...

And then when all is read and done, remember the words of wisdom of Thumper's Law: "If you can't say anything nice, with nice being at least 4 stars, then don't say nothing at all."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

(I'd insert a big old smiley-face, loopily-grinning emoticon right here, but alas, that computer literate I ain't.)

Eric


message 4821: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Eric Alan wrote: "I am, to put it in as mild a form as possible, appalled, shocked, aghast, disgusted and horror-struck that..."

Dangnabbit it is so annoying to see such messages scroll off the page here so you might consider posting the same message in the Author Self Promotion thread.


message 4822: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 13, 2013 06:43PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Elorie wrote: "About that rule. Was I the one who was obnoxious enough not to complain at first? I must apologize for not being grouchy enough to start. I aver that I was really complaining. I just complain s..."

I must say I'm teed off Elorie that you think you were the culprit when people have been ignoring the rule since mid-February 2012 when the Complaint Department opened.

This thread used to be called "Post Complaints Here" and even after we changed the name to "Post Comments *in the Form of a Complaint* Here" it didn't help.

As a result, every once in a while we post a nasty message telling people how sucky unfortunate it is that the rule isn't followed. Things improve for a bit then Rule 1 begins to get ignored again except by certain virtuous and thoughtful people and I love them for that…among other reasons :-)


message 4823: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments I'm so frustratingly upset that my air conditioning is out in my car. It gets into the 100's here, sucks to have no a/c!!!


message 4824: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Complaint Dept. I'm lodging a complaint! I'm ticked, riled all around disappointed, I was going to add shocked but very little shocks me anymore, that when people get into these "social media" sites (not sure GR qualifies but I'm going with that) all common courtesy goes right out the window and they revert back to their high school days where "mean girls" came out of the wood work just chomping at the bit to give a good ole bee slapping (always in numbers). Someone needs to remind them that name calling is childish and counterproductive but good ole fashioned debates are a good way to have a lively back and forth. Is this the example we want to give our children on how to get your point across. Yeah I'm more than complaining here, it's a scary thought. :(


message 4825: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Tj wrote: "I'm so frustratingly upset that my air conditioning is out in my car. It gets into the 100's here, sucks to have no a/c!!!"

I'm frustrated for Tj I can't imagine having to drive a car in that kind of heat without a/c! {{Hugs}} oh no wait I take that back it's just too hot. {{virtual hug}}


message 4826: by Boyd, Hunk of hunky burning passion (last edited Jul 14, 2013 12:30PM) (new)

Boyd (boydwalker) | 2304 comments I dreadfully regret I must interrupt these glorious complaints in order to post this announcement:

We have a new game called Which Book?



Enter the names of two books using the "add book/author" (but only enter a book not an author.) It is not required but it's considered more keen and adroit if the books are related in some way (subject matter, part of the title, name of the main character or another shared characteristic.) So your game posting should look something like is:

Something Like Summer or My Summer of Wes?

The next player choses one of these two books and then posts a message containing two books to chose from.

To play go to the Games section of our Discussions and choose Which Book? or use this link:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 4827: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 14, 2013 12:58PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments I'm so darn frustrated wondering which of our members will post comment number 5,000 in this thread. The tension is building as that milestone draws closer and closer.


message 4828: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Monika wrote: "Complaint Dept. I'm lodging a complaint! I'm ticked, riled all around disappointed, I was going to add shocked but very little shocks me anymore, that when people get into these "social media" site..."

With regret, I confess to not knowing what Monika is referring to and am most annoyed to ponder it.


message 4829: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Averin wrote: "Monika wrote: "Complaint Dept. I'm lodging a complaint! I'm ticked, riled all around disappointed, I was going to add shocked but very little shocks me anymore, that when people get into these "so..."

I'm most annoyed that I must explain it to Averin, I got into a discussion with someone about her ""review and she thought I was criticizing, picking on and all around being nasty to her which I totally was not. The next thing I know there are nine of her friends jumping into the discussion and they were being down right juvenile. I guess they thought calling me names is the adult way to solve things? I don't know how many times I said I was sorry she took offense I NEVER purposely set out to hurt anyone's feelings that's just not me. I felt like I was in high school again when the bullies came out in full force. I'm not saying I'm a victim here I'm not that saying "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me" works for me until the last girl called me a douc....never mind I'm not sure I can say that here. :p
ps. I'm not completely comfortable with even writing "I'm most annoyed with Averin" because I'm not.


message 4830: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Monika wrote: "Averin wrote: "Monika wrote: "Complaint Dept. I'm lodging a complaint! I'm ticked, riled all around disappointed, I was going to add shocked but very little shocks me anymore, that when people get..."

Seriously disturbed, Lol.


message 4831: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Averin wrote: "Monika wrote: "Averin wrote: "Monika wrote: "Complaint Dept. I'm lodging a complaint! I'm ticked, riled all around disappointed, I was going to add shocked but very little shocks me anymore, that..."

I'm seriously disturbed too. Lol


message 4832: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Monika wrote: "I'm seriously disturbed too"

I'm discombobulated, disconcerted and ruffled that it is so hard to keep myself from making a comment about this statement.


message 4833: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I am seriously annoyed that that happened to you. People have no understanding of "your own opinion", these days. It is bad enough that people ask for a review and then hate what you say because you aren't loving every word. But to be mad and juvenile because you didn't like their review, that is so stupid and ridiculous, How can a writer improve if they don't get any constructive criticism. And then to become abusive, That only shows their own lacks.


message 4834: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 15, 2013 07:45AM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Only 15 more comments to go before we reach 5,000 on this one thread (thousands more on other topics) but just in this one section of the Complaint Department we will soon hit our 5,000th comment. Who will it be who makes the 5,000th comment?

This is what 5,000 gay, lesbian and straight naked people look like standing in front of the Sidney Opera House:




and this is the youtube video version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZPekr...



The person who posts the 5,000th complaint will win a no expense paid trip to Australia to have their naked photo taken in front of the Sydney Opera House!
All comments must be in the form of a complaint per Rule 1 for this thread. Void where prohibited. Does not include tax and gratuity.


message 4835: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments I am per-snickered that we all have so much to complain about. If I win I'm going to hold you to that trip Preston so you better start saving your pennies. Lol


message 4836: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Monika wrote: "I am per-snickered that we all have so much to complain about. If I win I'm going to hold you to that trip Preston so you better start saving your pennies. Lol"

Needled and nettled to say better read that more closely Monika. It's a "no expense paid trip."


message 4837: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Now I want to lodge a complain, this place takes advantage of the old! You need to make things more clear, I don't know if I should blame not reading that right because I'm sick and don't feel like reading every word or because I'm old and my glasses probably need a prescription adjustment, jeez!


message 4838: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments So annoying to have to catch up with the complaints, but I've been struggling with the much hated upload systems of electronic publishing and nothing is more besnitching than to be casually informed that your much-worked on and loved upload file has failed the ePub Vetter, which is nothing more than a Nazi clothed in the disguise of a piece of code. Pah!


message 4839: by Lori S. (last edited Jul 15, 2013 07:20AM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments I am vexed by the electronic version of Godwin's Law (view spoiler) which Roger has to deal with. Especially when you've spent hours trying to get something that should be easy to work. :o|


message 4840: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Aw, Preston! What do you mean "no expenses paid"? No fun man! >'Course, standing in the all together in front of the Opera House really doesn't appeal, but I'd love to go to the Outback (not the restaurant) at some point.<


message 4841: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Lori wrote: "Aw, Preston! What do you mean "no expenses paid"? No fun man! >'Course, standing in the all together in front of the Opera House really doesn't appeal, but I'd love to go to the Outback (not the re..."

Boyd insisted we work within our budget ($0) and he preferred to stay out of jail for committing fraud by running a illegitimate contest because he doesn't need a boyfriend that badly.

ps: The existence of Godwin's Law is funny.


message 4842: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Lori wrote: "I am vexed by the electronic version of Godwin's Law [spoilers removed] which Roger has to deal with. Especially when you've spent hours trying to get something that should be easy to work. :o|"

Damn it, I thought I'd invented the law that leads to a Hitlerian comparison in a prep school debate when I was nine (I think my contribution to the debate, which was something to do with the Eurovision Song Contest, was along the lines of "The world would have been a much nice place if Hitler had never existed").

Is Godwin a relative of Sod?


message 4843: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments I think if I win I will choose to gracefully and irritably decline the honor of standing naked anywhere. Who deserves that punishment?


message 4844: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Elorie wrote: "I think if I win I will choose to gracefully and irritably decline the honor of standing naked anywhere. Who deserves that punishment?"

In the Youtube video they are not only standing up naked but also lying down.

This is the link to the Youtube video version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZPekr...


message 4845: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments And—horrors—bouncing about…


message 4846: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Preston wrote: "In the Youtube video they are not only standing up naked but also lying down."

Roger wrote: "And—horrors—bouncing about…"

I politely decline, with(out) too many grumbles. =-O


message 4847: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 15, 2013 09:58AM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Re: 5,000th complain in this one thread.

Roger complains about 5,000 bouncing straight, gay and lesbian people's junks at Sydney Opera House and Lori isn't fond of it either so we'll use another example:

This is what 5,000 books looks like:




message 4848: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I hereby complain that Preston did not provide us with notarized proof that there are in fact 5000 books in his show and tell. Surely if he counted each and every one an affidavit is not too much to ask for?


message 4849: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I hereby complain that bouncing lady parts in Sydney would be an eye-strain and an eeeeeeeewwwwwww moment indeed. But jiggling-junk from guys? Not so bad.


message 4850: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I also complain that I may or may not have won the coveted non-expense paid trip to Sydney by posting three complaints in a row. How soon will I know?


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