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message 4601: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jun 29, 2013 07:57PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Eric Alan wrote: "Preston wrote: "Averin wrote: "Prop 8 too!"

I complain with great anger that the Supreme Court had the opportunity to declare all state bans on gay marriage unconstitutional but instead chose the ..."


Hey Eric,

Since you seem to be our Supreme Court legal beagle able to sniff out that which perplexes me, perhaps you could help out by tackling this one.

Why couldn't the Supreme Court rulings related to gay marriage have been applied more broadly to make gay marriage legit in the same way the Court's Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967) invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage?

It seems like we need a Mr. & Mr. Loving and and a Ms. and Ms. Loving to go through the courts challenging bans for same gender marriage on the Constitutional basis of citizens being treated equally under state law.

The case was brought by Mildred Loving, a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man. Their marriage violated the state's anti-miscegenation statute, the Racial Integrity Act of 1924, which prohibited marriage between people classified as "white" and people classified as "colored." The Supreme Court's unanimous decision held this prohibition was unconstitutional, overturning Pace v. Alabama (1883) and ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage in the United States which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage.

If Mr. & Mrs Loving (perfect name;) were the ones with standing in the case and yet the decision invalidated all state laws against citizens getting married regardless of race, why couldn't the recent decision have given equal treatment of citizens regardless of gender?

Thanks.


message 4602: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments It is horrifyingly awful that there is a great documentary movie about asexuality that is absolutely free, I complain that people will think this movie isn't interesting, edifying and informative because it free.

(A)sexual 2013 is free to watch on HULU at this Link:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/503545


message 4603: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments Preston wrote: "Eric Alan wrote: "Preston wrote: "Averin wrote: "Prop 8 too!"

I complain with great anger that the Supreme Court had the opportunity to declare all state bans on gay marriage unconstitutional but ..."


Preston,

A *beagle*? Really? Couldn't I be something more dashing? A poodle perhaps, all swave and deboner with perfectly coifed curls (remembering that once upon a long ago time, and maybe occasionally still poodles were hunting dogs)?

Or a sleekly muscled Borzoi loping across the steppes in hot pursuit of an elusive legal point?

Or better yet, this really hot stud werewolf who can change at will so if you disagree with what I have to say I can end the conversation by ripping your throat out? And then turn back to my muscular 12-pack naked self?

{snicker}

As for the (beautifully) ironic name of the plaintiffs in that decision, the Prop 8 case did indeed have a Mr. & Mr. Loving, and a Ms. & Ms. Loving willing to argue their constitutional right to marriage...Federal constitutional right, not under the California constitution because that Supreme Court had upheld the validity of the Prop 8 amendment.

"Our Lovings" clearly had the necessary standing, just as the "real Lovings" did. But in the actual Loving case, Virginia was willing to fight tooth and nail to defend its miscegenation statute as far as the case would go. So there was standing on both sides: two people who argued their rights were affected by an unconstitutional statute, and a state which argued it had every right to enact that law.

The latter is what was missing when Prop 8 went up on Federal appeal. After the District Court ruling (and I don't recall the timing) California eventually said, in essence, "We agree with the trial judge and we're not going to appeal his decision." So: standing on one side ("our Lovings") and no standing on the Prop H8...uh...8 side.

Which leads us back to Do a deer, uh, leads us back to the fact of no standing, therefore no possible decision on the merits, therefore no possible Loving-style application to all state laws and state constitutional bans on same-sex marriage.

Woof!

Eric


message 4604: by Averin (last edited Jun 30, 2013 09:36AM) (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Begrudgingly, I'll allow that maybe this belongs to Lori's section, or perhaps What I hate about M/M, but I'm supposed to complain once a day, right? Here are two, on books.

1. Why does an author go to the trouble of looking up other LHNB author's books in the GR database and entering a review "not for me?" If you are that memory-challenged in regards to being unable to re-read a book you did not like, make a shelf! Why bitch-slap someone across GR.

2. Time. Some authors can manipulate, use time quite well. Others… sigh. MC 1 carries a torch and 1, 2, 10, 20 years later, MC 2 comes around? Well, don't tell me that, prove it! In the meantime, they both get involved or screw other people. Because they're guys? Explain how that works. If I were hung up on someone, I wouldn't want to touch somebody else, let alone be touched.


message 4605: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jun 30, 2013 10:00AM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Eric Alan wrote: "Which leads us back to Do a deer, uh, leads us back to the fact of no standing, therefore no possible decision on the merits, therefore no possible Loving..."

Dear Lupine Twelve Pack, Esq.

"So there was standing on both sides…" Who stands on their sides? People stand on their feet unless they are so muscular and awesomely ripped like you that they prefer to do hand stands.

In Baldwin Park California it is illegal to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool. Who could possibly stand while riding their bike in the chlorinated water? Who could challenge that law while standing on their side biking across the water?

Standing lost because AG of CA was not a member of Fight Club? So what? The very fact that CA had the law on its books shows the state's propugnation of its H8tred for same gender couples and aquatic bicyclists.

Ha!

Besides if it's not your turn to be vertical in the court the judges could be supremely in contempt of you standing around in their courtroom.

So Wolfie your hotness, I'm sitting out the rest of this game to just watch your perfect naked body while you flex your muscles as they glisten and ripple.


message 4606: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Averin wrote: "I'm supposed to complain once a day, right? Here are two, on books."

I applaud your sticking to the Challenge of a complaint a day and am impressed to see you innovate a new concept here in Complaint Department by talking about books. It's a very creative use of this Post Complaints Here section to actually get bookish in your complaints.

< the crowd roars approval >


message 4607: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments So if you've read my previous posts you know about my in-laws. They are still here. Were here through the entire vacation and look to be here a while. I'm hoping the gentleman renting their house is leaving because then I know they will be gone by the end of July to get the house ready for re-renting. Anyway, when we got home they told us their dog has a bad ear infection. 3-layered. Bacteria, fungus, and something else. Anyway, my mother-in-law is convinced their rv is now covered in germs and has been cleaning like crazy. She is certain the dog will give it to them. I'm just glad it's keeping them busy. I fully expected to hear all about the Supreme Court and its ruling. I'm really hoping I never do though. *grumbling over bigoted ideas*


message 4608: by Andra (new)

Andra (andora) | 17 comments Tj, I can't believe they seriously think dogs can give people their infections O_O

Butting in with a complaint of my own. I admit, I rarely complain about things 'cause I try to stay positive (sorry peeps!), but today was the day from hell. Came back from a six hours long trip and found my basement flooded with water. I spent the next 4 and a half hours taking most of the water out. Now I'm left with a basement full of mud and it's raining heavily again, which means I'll probably end up having to re-do the whole operation tomorrow.


message 4609: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Oh, that sucks, Andra! I would like to have a basement but there is one good reason NOT to have one:(

Yup, my in-laws are a little...odd. I don't really get along with them just try to be civil.


message 4610: by Tj (last edited Jun 30, 2013 01:55PM) (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Oh, Here is the results of the horrible internet trip.
5 generations

Ok, Preston:) From left to right: Me, my mother(Carolyn), my grandmother(Janice), Baby Eli, and my son(Nic)
My family

Left to right: Nic's fiancee(Cristy), Nic, Hubby, Me, my daughter(Maggie), and baby Eli
One of the rare times I've ever posted a picture of me around GR.


message 4611: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Tj wrote: "Oh, Here is the results of the horrible internet trip.
5 generations"


Beautiful, savvy, and beleaguered Tj thank you~! Who's who? We can pick out your son and grandson because we've seen photos of them before… your son is so dang hot no one could forget him. With only one baby in the photo sort of makes it easy to guess your grandson but we want names too!.

It would be nice to identify people left to right in each photo. Just edit your message above and under each photo tell us who's who by relationship and name. Pretty please with a cherry on top? And sprinkles, and extra whipped cream and another cheery cherry?

All of us love you and all the guys are in lust with your son and all the women are in (aww, he so cute) love with your grandson.

Also we give our deepest consolations for the presence of your in-laws dwelling with you again now that you are back home from this great 5 generation visit.


message 4612: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Since you asked so nicely, Preston. There you are. I've warned everyone that I look nothing like my presence online. I appear more like what I use to be...Sunday School teacher. Yup, I've all the appearance of those fanatical bigots. I figure it is only fair since so many, include the in-laws here, are so biased based on appearance;)


message 4613: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Tj wrote: "Since you asked so nicely, Preston. There you are. I've warned everyone that I look nothing like my presence online. I appear more like what I use to be...Sunday School teacher. Yup, I've all t..."

I'm complaining that I cant thank you enough for posting the names and relationships. The FIVE GENERATION photo is much enhanced by being able to see who's who and it makes it much more valuable to me. It's a joy to see everyone but especially the two truly beautiful people sitting on the far right and far left of the 5 Generation photo.

Great to"meet" Christy and Maggie and always a joy to see Eli.

I sure wish my Sunday school teacher of long ago was so pretty, smart and caring.

These are both amazing photo's and there are greatly appreciated. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!


message 4614: by Gabbo (new)

Gabbo Parra (lordgabux) | 559 comments Well, TJ (read this with my best southern drawl) y'all look like the kind of people I like to have here for brunch!


message 4615: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Aw, you flatters you:)


message 4616: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jun 30, 2013 06:01PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Gabbo wrote: "Well, TJ (read this with my best southern drawl) y'all look like the kind of people I like to have here for brunch!"

And don't forget to invite her PhD brother who recently graduated to that brunch because although he is as straight as her gorgeous son, Tj's brother is some of the sweetest eye candy on the planet.




Isn't he soooo handsome in his Canterbury cap? Look at the way Carolyn is admiring him so proudly! I'd do that but I'd probably drool staring at this hottie!




message 4617: by Laura (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) Speaking of brothers, I'd like to complain that mine has the best tattoos and I am jealous.


message 4618: by Tj (last edited Jun 30, 2013 06:26PM) (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Oh, he was there too:)


And he has tattoos too;)


message 4619: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Tj wrote: "Oh, he was there too:)"

I'm complaining that Tj's family keeps turning out hunky hotties but there is some genetic defect preventing production of a gay male. The whole bunch of them are flaming heterosexuals.

Look at that bicep muscle on her brother! What a waste. The family is just cursed with men so straight you could use them for plumb lines and straight edges.

So sorry about your bad luck Tj


message 4620: by Laura (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) Completely handsome Tj - and that baby!!! How precious!

My bro's tattoos have taken over his body, I will have my revenge when he is old and wrinkly and they look terrible. Grumbles about how awesome his back looks...for now!




message 4621: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Laura wrote: "Grumbles about how awesome his back looks..."

Grumbles and grieves why can we see his front too? Whether it's inked or not we are all… curious :-)


message 4622: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Ah, little bro is an athlete. Ran the 800 in college and still stays in shape. Yes, the family is cursed with straights:( Though Mom hinted at a recently divoced cousin of hers that is gay. We are also "fruitful".

Laura that is a beautiful piece! My goodness the time involved.


message 4623: by Laura (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) Since you put it so grumbley, I will oblige:

His front ink:



And his handsome gross face, so that you can suffer:




message 4624: by Laura (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) Tj wrote: "Ah, little bro is an athlete. Ran the 800 in college and still stays in shape. Yes, the family is cursed with straights:( Though Mom hinted at a recently divoced cousin of hers that is gay. We..."

Yeah, I think the back piece took 6 sessions at 3-4 hours each. The dope hast spent more money then I care to calculate on ink. I can't wait until he gets old and wrinkly.


message 4625: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Nice! The ink of course;)


message 4626: by Laura (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) You can't see the detail of the chest piece in that picture, but it is beautiful too. It was his Mother's Day gift to my mom three years ago.




message 4627: by Andra (new)

Andra (andora) | 17 comments Aww, Tj, your grandson is so adorable!!


message 4628: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Jul 01, 2013 12:06AM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Laura wrote: "Since you put it so grumbley, I will oblige: His front ink: And his handsome gross face, so that you can suffer..."

I'm suffering alright and Boyd has… (well some things we can't talk about without changing this to an adult group :) We are suffering because you and Tj have such hot guys in your families and not a single one of them gay or even slightly curious.

Your well inked brother is hot as hell with a great body and handsome visage. It really is disgusting he is so flamboyantly heterosexual. Has he no shame?

While you look forward to revenge when he gets all wrinkly you can also contemplate those ears having holes that hang down to his shoulders like the ones on the Buddha on his back. :-)

Thanks for the intriguing pics of your bro's ink. I think Boyd's dreaming of one of those M/M romance book Gay-For-You fantasies with your sexy sibling.


message 4629: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Preston wrote: "It is horrifyingly awful that there is a great documentary movie about asexuality that is absolutely free, I complain that people will think this movie isn't interesting, edifying and informative b..."

Ah, thanks annoyance for the link. My apologies for not being here earlier to receive it, but yesterday was a busy one and I never did really get online (and though I like the Kindle, it's harder to type on the thing). I did look, and if the one on Hulu is the same as the one I have saved in my queue on Netflix, I will be watching it soon. Hulu wanted money as I'm not a member and I didn't feel like joining yet another site and having to come up with a password which I'd forget within half an hour of producing ... >snerk<


message 4630: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Lori wrote: "Preston wrote: "It is horrifyingly awful that there is a great documentary movie about asexuality that is absolutely free, I complain that people will think this movie isn't interesting, edifying a..."

Lori this is weird which ticks me off.

I am PO'd that I just took a look at the movie (A)sexual on Hulu again and watched part of it. I'm not even a member of regular HULU let alone HULU Plus and I wasn't signed in so I don't understand why I was able to watch it.

I checked Netflix where I am a member and (A)sexual on Netflix is the same documentary movie on asexuality. I'm glad you will be able to watch it and let us know what you think of it.


message 4631: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments I deeply regret that I must complain that this has nothing to do with complaints. It's just a ventriloquist (she's very good) doing an act that I though was a bit more than mildly amusing. So, I decided to share it with my fellow members of the Complaint Department in the hopes it bring a smile into your day. You can watch the brief video at this link:
http://biggeekdad.com/2013/02/ventril...


message 4632: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Preston wrote: "Lori wrote: "Preston wrote: "It is horrifyingly awful that there is a great documentary movie about asexuality that is absolutely free, I complain that people will think this movie isn't interestin..."

I thought it was weird too. Maybe it was the device I was using (Kindle Fire)? >shrug<


message 4633: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments I'm besugared to announce that, while the wind rises and the rain threatens, Britain is heading for a heatwave commencing Friday. How is this possible? Who has allowed such a thing to happen? What will be the outcome? Is there enough sun block in the country to go around? What will happen during the sultry nights? I'm frightened…


message 4634: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments I hate junk mail! I hate junk mail! I hate junk mail…

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/07/02/h...


message 4635: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Today I decry an author (actually think there are two more) who is selling her LHNB story on Amazon for $2.99 and Createspace for $7.00 BEFORE MMR has released it.

I refused to work with her due to a previous run-in.

So free editing and profit by screwing over your readers and the chief platform promoting your miserable career.


message 4636: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Averin wrote: "Today I decry an author (actually think there are two more) who is selling her LHNB story on Amazon for $2.99 and Createspace for $7.00 BEFORE MMR has released it.

I refused to work with her due t..."


That's despicable.


message 4637: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Roger wrote: "I hate junk mail! I hate junk mail! I hate junk mail…

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/07/02/h..."


And that's quite clever. =oD


message 4638: by Laura (last edited Jul 02, 2013 09:36AM) (new)

Laura (mingaboxer) Lori wrote: "Averin wrote: "Today I decry an author (actually think there are two more) who is selling her LHNB story on Amazon for $2.99 and Createspace for $7.00 BEFORE MMR has released it.

I refused to work..."


That's just disappointing. :-(


message 4639: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Averin wrote: "Today I decry an author (actually think there are two more) who is selling her LHNB story on Amazon for $2.99 and Createspace for $7.00 BEFORE MMR has released it.

I refused to work with her due t..."


It's quite against the spirit. They should have to guts to write without the LHNB prompt and take the risk of selling without the exposure like everyone else.


message 4640: by Andra (new)

Andra (andora) | 17 comments Averin wrote: "Today I decry an author (actually think there are two more) who is selling her LHNB story on Amazon for $2.99 and Createspace for $7.00 BEFORE MMR has released it.

I refused to work with her due t..."


O_O wow! I seriosuly can't believe someone would do that, first and foremost to themselves, and secondly to the Goodreads team, who's investing so much work and time for free!


message 4641: by Boyd, Hunk of hunky burning passion (new)

Boyd (boydwalker) | 2304 comments Without too much ire I must reveal that If you want to complete your "Complaint Challenge" or any challenge here's a tip. Goodreads won't accept zero as the number of books but if you put in .001 for the number of books, presto! You've completed your challenge as seen below.




message 4642: by Boyd, Hunk of hunky burning passion (last edited Jul 02, 2013 11:01PM) (new)

Boyd (boydwalker) | 2304 comments Roger wrote: "I'm besugared to announce that, while the wind rises and the rain threatens, Britain is heading for a heatwave commencing Friday."

Thank you Roger for using Rule 1 and stating your comment in the form of a complaint.

Actually Preston and I get excited about every posting but it's especially a treat when members follow Rule #1 in Post Complaints Here.

It's appreciated. :-)


message 4643: by Boyd, Hunk of hunky burning passion (new)

Boyd (boydwalker) | 2304 comments









message 4644: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Screaming doo-daddles, who let the elephants into the room?


message 4645: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Oh purrleese, how delightful don't tell me we've got to welcome deal with a Magical Monika now! (My autocorrect insists it should either be Monica or moniker, btw).




message 4646: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments I'm about to break rule one already and I have't even been part of the group for a day. Wait a minute is that a complaint?

I want to lodge a formal complaint. I was told there would be elephants and magicians for me if I joined the CD group nowhere did it say "sketches" of elephants and magicians! Breach of contract. *annoyed look*


message 4647: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Look at that welcoming annoying sunshine, is this what I get to look forward to I'll have to put up with at this place?


message 4648: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Moaning Monika, no, most times this is what you get…



Only real swearing isn't allowed :-))


message 4649: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments *ROFL* *crying* thats no fun.


message 4650: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Grumbily welcomes to Monika and all.

Are those elephants or am I hallucinating?! ... if I'd known the brownies they were handing out in the building were full of more than just pecans and powdered sugar, I wouldn't've eaten one ...

Roger, where did you find the grouch?


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