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That's dreadful, I pray you'll be okay and are able to get to a safe place!

Foucault's all right. Derrida's a laugh a minute. Lacan and after... my head still hurts from freshman year, back in '87. As for my heart, the slivers still hurt when it's humid, though my soul's started to knit. Not much had changed by 2000, the period I'd returned to academia for my graduate degree, except me -- I was finally mature enough to just take from it what I wanted and ignore the rest, rather than feeling monumentally inadequate because I just didn't get it, didn't belong to the hallowed club of the marginalized fighting back in their own slyly vicious little ways, playing their ivory tower power games.
Editing others' academic papers at present, I find I can groan deprecatingly and realize it's all so much self-serving masturbatory hot air. Desiccated phantasms of intellectual subversiveness. Sad, really. I pity the poor fools now. Wish I'd been less fragile and gullible then.

Foucault's all right. Derrida's a laugh a minute. Lacan and after... my head still hurts from freshman year, back in '87. As for my heart, the slivers still hurt when it'..."
Now you're going to make me think hard. You've reminded me of something that I found but did not use in a paper last year on Dylan Thomas. Probably somewhere in my 10k post-it notes. Arggh! I will not violate Rule No. 1, I will not violate Rule No. 1, I will not…

Good Grieving Grumpiness Bat Man! I am shocked by your
Before I start with the rules I thought the one person who would enjoy a little satirical humor would be his majesty the glorious Grand Goesta so your reaction to my mavinesque first message was odd as it I didn't think you would take every word so literally and seriously.
In fact it was a bit of an homage to Logan's observation "Does the robot in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy books not seem like the perfect mascot for this group, though maybe slightly more depressed but very complainy.
‘Ghastly,’ continued Marvin, ‘it all is. Absolutely ghastly. Just don't even talk about it.’”
Ah but the rules by the numbers was your topic.
1. While this could be most amusing, unless this is rephrased "must begin with" I suggest we take our more in-depth communications elsewhere in this group (chatter perhaps...)
Good point Goesta. I changed the rule to: 1. All posting of comments in the thread Post Complaints Here must begin in the form of a complaint. Example: I am upset that...
2. "I propose that rule 2 be changed utterly to reflect the intention, which I presume is to prevent us from getting in trouble by contravening certain arbitrary media conventions to which we are subject here."
This is a reasonable request so I changed the rule to: 2. No profanity is allowed. If that is not specific enough for people with common sense then let the George Carlin comedy routine help you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZhpf... except turd is allowed when combined with donkey. Turd, no can say. Donkeyturd is okay. This is because The Founder used Donkeryturd a few times in his message postings here. By the way, I am violating the rules by posting a link to adult material since it is against the GR rules for open groups—so don’t follow my bad example. BTW it's just my own opinion but I think it's refreshing for our adult members to have a pleasant place free of nasty words
3. Does it mean the moderator cannot complain about another member either, or that no member may complain about the moderator as well (both readings are entirely acceptable, however).
It means both so I made it clearer based on your grammatical sensibilities. The rule is changed and now reads: 3. No member may complain about a another member including the Moderator. Yes that works both ways.
4. This rule also seems to have been cut and pasted from a foreign language place...I strongly protest that there is nothing excessively prurient about the area of skin between belly button and contemporary belt lines, nor about flashes of buns in speedos, bare legs and feet, none of which could be shown following this rule. Which would mean we are being censored worse than 50's America. At the same time, there is no rule preventing anyone from posting entirely nude women…"
Thank you for pointing out the typo/grammo which has been corrected. However the reason for this rule is that one of reasons Goodreads allows us to be an open group because we don't post images unsuitable for the youngsters permitted to join the group. The rules now reads: 4. No photos may be posted that show unclothed or scantily clad men exposed below the belly button. If you feel a need to post lascivious or even suggestive photos both the M/M Romance group and the (for men only) G/G gay fiction for gay men group allow erotic images. Those are both adult, closed groups which allow complete nudity. We are not a closed adult group so people ages 12 and up are allowed to join the Complaint Department.
Another reason the rule exists is because it never was The Founder's intent to have even vaguely suggestive photos when there are other places members inhabit that provide that sort of thing. It did not fit in to his plan for a supportive, funny, caring and comforting place where people could let off steam, have fun and express empathy for each other.
As a sort of an aside, the thing about belly button versus waist is because I had to delete photos that exhibited some 'modern' waist lines which were showing some pubic hair. Also other images which were showing men with shaved public hair regions where the exposed nakedness included the location where pubic hair would naturally grow could be seen.
There is no prohibition against naked women since it is logical that our gay male members wouldn't post it and our asexual and straight women fans of M/M relationships and men in general would not post it either. If someone posts prurient photos of women I will delete then if I find them so that people like Preston don't puke all over and mess up the place with stinking vomit.
5. I must point out that this is in effect a blanket prohibition against all intolerance. Since intolerance, strictly speaking, lies at the root of complaining…"
When you get into prohibiting complaining about supermodels it seems like this might be a little tongue-in-cheek. Still because woman make up the majority of our amazing clever and truly lovable members, they deserve to be included in the list of those not be denigrated and defamed.
The reason for prohibiting, defaming or demeaning LGBTQ people should be very obvious. I am not happy with the acronym either but it is short and to the point so I've used it as did The Founder, holy be his name. (smiling)
People of color in this country were slaves only 150 years ago. This inhuman and inhumane and outright evil perpetrated against blacks is America's greatest sin and shame. Althought it has been rivaled lately, this disgrace will always be our worst in US history. For this reason one who exhibits any intolerance based on race or color may be banished from the group.
Some of our members have physical and mental disabilities. Being intolerant towards people with disabilities is not only detestable but indirectly violates the rule against complaining about fellow members.
In all of this there will be exceptions made for stories with satire intending to actually show that this type intolerance is wrong.
Thanks Goesta and your suggestions helped a lot. Isn't that so typical of the tyrannical "cardboardy imitation moderator" you have called sock puppet that he would be responsive to member suggestions even to the point of agreeing? Someone should complain about this :::sigh::: but I'm feeling far too marvin-like to do anything so hopeless and dismal.
Thank you for writing such a useful and comprehensible message. What happened? Did you get really good drugs perhaps? [just kidding my sweet!]
Again, thanks for improving the rules. All members may criticize the rules so join in if your unhappy about them.
Huggers and a fist bump!

Another Marvin quote I've always liked: "Life? Don't talk to me about life"
When you lovely folks start talking about Sholto, I had thought you were making references to one of H.P. Lovecraft's tentacle monstrosities.
Why do I always miss the good stuff?! Sigh.


Squawking and carping I state that LKH counts HPL among her influences.
Here is Toby Tentaclion, Lord of the Sea :


Well I know this. Roger Keen's Oli ( Oliver Frey aka Zack) has been cute forever! Talk about sweet cheeks his are even rosy and his eyes sparkle too.
This is a pic from his publisher Bruno Gmümder Verlag and it not the best because he's really, really cute when he smiles which unfortunately he's not doing in the photo :-(


Is he cute? Is he of legal age and is he gay? I need a serious relationship because all guys my age seem to just want to fool around and have no interest in monogamy :-(

I would also like to express my deep discontent at the situation in Turkey. I hope you and your family are safe, Anil! Thinking of all of you--take care!


Dearest and most lamentably plaintive Boyd...
I can see why meeting someone your age would be difficult. From what I know of you, you are not typical for your age. You are kind and have a loving heart, a wondrous sense of humor, empathy, a keen mind and intellect, and much more I'm sure I'm unaware of. These are traits that some men your age might not appreciate, but someone will treasure in a partner and possibly future husband. Beauty, some say, my golden tressed Adonis, is only skin deep, but you are the sum of all your parts, dear. I know you want more--sometimes the harder we look the more elusive what we look for becomes. Take a deep breath, step back. Who you want might already be in front of you somewhere you haven't noticed. He might not know you yet. Don't settle for less than anyone who doesn't appreciate, respect and treasure you for who you are. As Oscar Wilde said, "Never love anyone who treats you like you're ordinary."
Hugs, Wendy

Compunctiously I admit that my snit about the rules was partly designed to draw our mystery moderator out further into the open fo..."
I feel the deep, bemoaning need to question a fellow member (not an insult). Goesta, are you your own sock puppet? I am sensing a "Meeting John Malkovich" moment here. Very clever plan earlier. But have we returned to the butterfly and the man scenario, or are they working in conjunction to aid you in your investigative efforts?
Run, TinTin, Fiesta may have fallen down the rabbit hole!
Goesta, don't eat anything until TinTin brings aid, and don't talk to any large caterpillars.
I reluctantly admit we may need ComplaintDepartment's assistance here (shh, Goesta, play along). :-)

Well I know this. Roger Keen's Oli ( Oliver Frey aka Zack) has been cute forever! Talk about sweet cheeks his are even rosy and his eyes sparkle too....."
I must protest that I have been metamorphosed into a drug-crazed guy through the replacement of a single vowel – a second "e" instead of "a" has made me "as mustard" but not me. Boyd has made me into someone I'm not!! Not fair!! (Oh, is that breaking rule No. whatever? Sorry.)


Compunctiously I admit that my snit about the rules was partly designed to draw our mystery moderator out further into the open fo..."
You and your claspers! He is a Gormiti, an Italian toy big in Europe I'm told, a failure in North America. Nonetheless, some thirty or so of them and their damned volcanoes occupy space in my house. And yes, some them do look like they belong on gaydemon.

Compunctiously I admit that my snit about the rules was partly designed to draw our mystery moderator out further i..."
Or a Gormito (as singular)? As in, Gallese e Gormito?*
*a right stretch, I poutingly admit. "Wallace" meaning Welshman and the rest, well, sounding vaguely how a certain character particularly beloved of Tintin might sound in Italian. Or Japanese.
This scientific illustration makes much clear about Toby and his (I now see) vehicle, apparently a souped-up Chevy Calamaro (appropriately known in America as a 'pony car'). Not claspers but agile feelers of sorts.
I must bemoan a sudden appetite for deep-fried squid rings.



Boyd wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Speaking of children--my darling boy, all 6'5" of him and about 250 lbs of mostly Hot Pockets and Ice Cream just tossed his pillowcases and bottom sheet over the balconey for me to wa..."
Last I heard he was straight, in an internet relationship with Kitten, short for Your Sex Kitten. Before that, he was involved with Cyber Sex Whore, with whom he had three virtual cubs. Werewolf cubs, my only grandchildren so far.
So it appears my mom-like relationship advice has fallen on deaf ears, so I will not send any your way, either. Other than to read DH Lawrence. Hugs, Sarah
Last I heard he was straight, in an internet relationship with Kitten, short for Your Sex Kitten. Before that, he was involved with Cyber Sex Whore, with whom he had three virtual cubs. Werewolf cubs, my only grandchildren so far.
So it appears my mom-like relationship advice has fallen on deaf ears, so I will not send any your way, either. Other than to read DH Lawrence. Hugs, Sarah


Disturbed to hear, as you ought to know.

Compunctiously I admit that my snit about the rules was partly designed to draw our mystery moderator out further into the open fo..."
Grousingingly, I admit that I
Regrettably, I find I must wail for your indulgence, as the device I was using to post last night kept insisting on correcting your name to Fiesta, which is somewhat...interesting? Ironic? Odd? So now you go forth into the world with a new moniker, Fiesta Goesta, which I believe you could form a platform around and rise to great heights with. It does have a nice ring to it. I only noticed this morning when looking at it again. I was too tired last night to catch it (perhaps posting should be considered one of those things, like driving, that you should only do while fully alert). I tried multiple times to correct the darn thing, but it wouldn't, so it liked it too.

Or E.M. Forster.

Compunctiously I admit that my snit about the rules was partly designed to draw our mystery moderato..."
I once found calimari quite

Bleating and maundering, I am forced to admit that I am addicted to eBooks. I try not to, but it's so difficult... So I'm trying. (Very trying, some would say). I'm extremely (ha) parsimonious, and took full advantage of the sale. I had only one of the six. It was a wonderful opportunity to stock up on the other five. I did ever so graciously thank him for his generosity, which he thanked me for, so it was parsimony with gratitude. He is very much
Wendy wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Boyd wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Speaking of children--my darling boy, all 6'5" of him and about 250 lbs of mostly Hot Pockets and Ice Cream just tossed his pillowcases and bottom sheet ove..."
yes, absolutely. How can we add anything to the literature of passion after Lawrence and Forster? But what is the point of writing anything else?
yes, absolutely. How can we add anything to the literature of passion after Lawrence and Forster? But what is the point of writing anything else?

.99¢ is cool though.
And, I agree Wendy, Mr. Lanyon is a

Am I right in thinking that Goesta's story up soon?"
It is a


Grouse I must that Wendy has found me a numdeeplumb too late for me to enter the written world as, let's see, Sage/Zac/Chance Fiesta. Perhaps I'll reserve it for the purely erotic efforts to come, if any (I'm currently questioning the purpose for my characters to have sex at all, that's how low I have sunk into sullen despair).

Huh, the purpose of telling authors is so they will tell their fans who aren't members already and get them to join and read.

I complain the that morphing stuff c..."
I find the new look
(actually, at this very second my brain is imploding as I cannot figure out how to phrase this comment without either breaking rule number one or criticizing, if not a member, then a member's chosen unlikeness -- apparently there are things that cannot be written within the logic of this thread, arghh)
Lemme try again. I am disturbed
(yes I'm aware I'm misusing the word "liable," it is for stylistic effect)

I agree but I was told in an email not to reveal the posting date as it is a secret to be kept from the members and the post originator. Beats me. Which is annoying. Unless the beating were undertaken by either EyeCandy or PrimeModerator. Or both. Gently. Which it isn't, hard as I'm trying.
So I suppose I ought to be spreading the word outside of the MM Group. Except no one reads anything I post anywhere else. Except here I suppose. But since I don't know who here is a member of that group as well I'm stymied.

Well, I am baffled and perturbed, Herr Fiesta Goesta. Please, please pull yourself from the depths of your sullen despair. Do your characters need to have a reason to have sex? Sometimes I write scenes I know I'm going to take out, just for the fun of it. I'm terrible at writing sex scenes, though. I think I may try to recruit Preston with assistance for those, if he were amenable to leaving his buttons, levers and pulleys. Make it spontaneous. Park benches. Copses of trees off the path. A pet store. The restroom at Starbucks. (take that Capitalism). To which I must ask, has Starbucks spread its tendrils that far?
I cannot type today. I am having to correct almost every other word. Fingers stiffer than usual. Just the two, the rest are okay, but then my brain starts doing weird things.

In fear of bowdlerization [! not a commentary I couldn't resist, when else will get to use that word?] I am neither abashed nor ashamed to admit I've mined the depths of the CD's men sex posts, because of the language, literacy, and informativeness therein. To be appropriately recycled in a story yet to make it off my hard drive.


Give the fig, I say! Leaf it alone! It's not a wrap! Or as the houseboy says in Behind the Candelabra, offering Matt Damon disgusting little sausage rolls, "Pig?"
Yeah, I didn't get that last one either. But it seemed appropriate somehow to mention it in the same breath as Mr. Bowlder and his efforts at keeping fine literature clean and tidy.


In lighter news: I and hubby are totally beside ourselves at present; ready for bed, we discover a bat that has erred into the bedroom (no, it's not Tintin, it flies... and flies... and flies in a circle). Opened all the windows, turned on the light in the hope it will want to leave, out to where it's dark and nice and open. Closed the door to the room so it doesn't get trapped in the hallway. Just waiting now.
Update. Bat's flown the belfry. We still feel a bit weird, but the bedroom seems clear. Unless a hunky vampire climbs out of the closet after we snuggle under the covers. In which case, it's been

I find, much to my chagrin and sometimes befuddlement, that I worry my comments will cross over to the other group, where I am not so sure of my reception, which is why I hide here, making too many long posts.
I am sure, Herr Fiesta Goesta, that people otherwhere read your posts. They are too interesting to leave glancingly unplundered. ?
My brain? I worry about my brain as well. No, actually I think what happened was (I'll try to make this short) my pinky and middle finger on my left hand are affected, and I was very concerned about my ability to type (my insistence on doing so right after surgery was approved by my surgeon) since it's sort of necessary, and I refused to use dictation software (ulnar nerve neuropathy due to an editing injury. Ah-hem). I think my brain was trying to compensate for the lack of those two fingers and reassigning things to my right hand, with the result that I then couldn't type accurately with either hand. I hadn't been expecting that, and my only explanation was that the synapses were sending signals that were crossing or trying to compensate somehow. It took me a year to get up to where I can type fast enough for me again, but some days I still make a lot of errors, and don't do well when my hands are cold. It's been two years since the surgery and I've pretty much gotten used to it, sometimes I just get frustrated. It doesn't hurt (lately my elbow has been, occasionally, which does worry me a little, since I was told I might have to have surgery again after I had the first one. What I need is someone to make me work at least my arms out, to strengthen the muscles so they take the burden off my elbow). But I know more about nerves now and I thought it was interesting that my brain could have been trying to compensate (messing me up worse in the process, but, if it was just trying to help..
Sorry, I didn't mean to get into all that. It's not very interesting.

Lemme try again. I am disturbed by to my bones ."
All you have to do according to YOUR suggestion for the new Rule 1 is start the posting in the form of complaint. So it would be easy to say
'I am terribly annoyed that I find the new look totally adorable'. It was started as a complaint so you don't need strikethroughs and you can praise me in glowing terms because it follows the rule just by beginning with a complainy sounding start.
After saying the magic words "terribly annoyed" you can now just say hey the new guy looks like a real man not one of those fake gym bodies (sorry Boyd we know your ripped bod is natural genetics and normal exercise.) In fact he looks liker a normal healthy guy I would like have to have over for tea and biscuits and a bit of cream of bat soup.
Nothing wrong with saying "I do enjoy a man who delights in swallowing what he puts in his mouth/gullet/craw/hand/ briefs/ or whatever. We wouldn't have fun without some suggestive words. Consider how Our Lady of Mistress Macky wrote incredibly foul sounding serial stories without using one word in the famed George Carlin act.
Of course knowing you, your doing the strikethroughs and "I can't say" stuff just for comic effect. You naughty boy. You do deserve a spanking. Boyd, go order us up some airline tickets to Berlin. Perhaps even your hubby would like to delicately pun-ish you too?
Like I wrote in your high school yearbook, 'Always stay as sweet as you are!'
♥♡♥♡♥
Huggers

Needs be that I shuffle up to the table and bang my head on it in frustration and vexation, becauseI haven't been able to write either. I don't know what's wrong. I have to trouble here, much to many's chagrin, I'm sure.
Wait for just a moment here. A break from the regularly televised program. All right. Logan, where did you go? Jerry, are you around? Nathan, I know you're out there somewhere as well. Jacob, oh shy one, I'd love to know more about you. If I shut up for a day or so, will some of you post something? Anything? The name of a pet? Your favorite food? Your favorite children's book. Your favorite restaurant. The restaurant you hate the most of all the restaurants in the world, including the one at the end of the universe. The hands down worst TV show ever. Your least favorite book, and whether or not it was because you were forced to read it in school.
I started reading from the beginning of the posts, as it was pointed out that I had not done, and I started looking through the members. This is a nicely sized group, not so big that you get swallowed up because there are too many members. I understand lurking. I was a lurker for a long time (really, I was, and then something odd happened and now I can't shut up).
No one will laugh at you or make fun of you. We can't, it's in the rules, which, although seemingly benevolent, I'm sure our new moderator will enforce. Everyone has a voice, everyone has an opinion. I know many of you are probably very busy people with one or more jobs, so don't feel forced or obligated. Just, if someone has something to say that they've been wanting to say, that follows the rules, please say it if you want to. I can shut off my jibberty-jabbering. If someone has a question, I can respond with yes or no answers, you just have to word the question right. It's an interesting exercise. So starting right now, Sunday June 16th at 5:47, I am going to be quiet for 24 hours. I'll answer PMs, of course. But I feel like my loquaciousness might be intimidating, which is isn't meant to be in the slightest, it's just me. If I were sitting here with you I'd do the same thing, although I would give you some cookies and something to drink. Okay, now the time is 5:49. Until tomorrow, hugs.

Oh, the sacrifices I make for your benefit and are they appreciated? Only my lovely zephyr Wendy noticed and cared enough to comment!"
I complain that I wanted to complain earlier about your morphing avatar (which I am not complaining about and is every bit as intriguing as the previous one,
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Okay, your Sholto is cuter; almost attractive compared to the tumblr one.
"neo-Freudian poststructuralist Marxist" Gah, now I will have to check before Orientation on Thursday to see if I still have a spot in "Introduction to LGBTQ Studies" (and why is that a Women's Studies class?)