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message 6551: by Monika (last edited Dec 17, 2015 01:05PM) (new)

Monika | 3337 comments Aww, they are wondrous coworkers indeed :))


message 6552: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Yes, a nice present.


message 6553: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each other, but should they really be together? Oh, and there is a secret from one or both of their pasts that threatens their love!

ALMOST ALL THE YA AND NA CONTEMPORARY ROMANCES I FIND ON HERE.


message 6554: by Monika (new)

Monika | 3337 comments And how could you forget about the triangle - third boy/girl for the sake of angst. Main character always has a dilemma who to choose. Bleh!


message 6555: by Lori S. (last edited Dec 17, 2015 03:13PM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each other, but should they really..."

Yes, there is definitely a similarity of theme that gets old very fast.

I have a similar problem with things like chick lit (single female who isn't happy with her appearance, or what-have-you, and does nothing but whine about not being in a relationship (or, if she's not complaining, others in her life are doing so for her or pestering her to get into one).

My personal complaint about a lot of adult fiction is that it's so dull ... Trying to find something interesting to listen to in the car at the library can be such a downer sometimes.

I recommend Sleepy Hollow: Rise Headless and Ride, SLEEPY HOLLOW: Bridge of Bones, and SLEEPY HOLLOW: General of the Dead by Richard Gleaves which nicely subvert the love triangle and are cracking good reads too.

Hold Me Closer, Necromancer and Necromancing the Stone by Lish McBride, which don't have love triangles at all (it does fade to black m/f though).


message 6556: by Rick (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each other, but should they really..."

And Wren wins the prize for getting why Pieriq doesn't like most YA fiction. Even Intermediate (ages 10-12) has more interesting story ideas and themes. They've also become hopelessly mired in dystopian realities where they've completely lost touch with the point of dystopias. This happened in fantasy fiction in the 80s as well: suddenly everyone was world building but all they really did was turn fantasy into a cliché. Blah. Blah. Blah. Pieriq drones on...


message 6557: by Monika (new)

Monika | 3337 comments Lori S. wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each oth..."

Oooh, they look like fun. Thanks Lori :)
And I hate all those whiny heroines too, where are other strong female characters like Eve from In Death series... :(


message 6558: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Rick wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each oth..."


Pieriq?


message 6559: by Wren (last edited Dec 17, 2015 05:10PM) (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Lori S. wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each oth..."

I read Hold Me Closer Necromancer and I thought it was awesome. Thanks for the recommendations!


message 6560: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Monika wrote: "And how could you forget about the triangle - third boy/girl for the sake of angst. Main character always has a dilemma who to choose. Bleh!"

Yes! And when all the time its always based on the love triangle....I wouldn't mind if it was more a side thing but it can often overshadow the plot


message 6561: by Rick (last edited Dec 17, 2015 05:15PM) (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "Pieriq?"

As I'm having to keep my left eye close while using goodreads these days, otherwise I get nauseous and dizzy from eyestrain because of the new font & color scheme, I've adopted the moniker Pieriq, sort of "Pirate Rick" since I'm a one-eyed hacker so to speak. See post #6576 above.

.-)


message 6562: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Rick wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "Pieriq?"

As I'm having to keep my left eye close while using goodreads these days, otherwise I get nauseous and dizzy from eyestrain because of the new font & color schem..."


Ah ok

Yeah I don't like the font.....hurts my eyes too


message 6563: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments I wanna complain that I am afraid to talk about my triggers and the issues I face for fear of sounding like some pathetic tumblr sjw.

The ones I have are based on 10 years of abuse, not three months of tumblr blogging. I'm serious about them. But whenever I say "this triggers me" I cringe because I sound so stupid.

Just now I saw a post on fb which had my heart pounding, my stomach hurting and my eyes watering. My hands were literally shaking as I hit the screen to hide the post. This isn't just some dumb pc sjw stuff. This is real, and it affects me, but I feel so ashamed and angry and upset.


message 6564: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "I wanna complain that I am afraid to talk about my triggers and the issues I face for fear of sounding like some pathetic tumblr sjw.

The ones I have are based on 10 years of abuse, not three mont..."


PTSD (ask anyone who's experienced it) is nothing to sneeze at and people who say otherwise need a good kick in the knee. From what little I've gathered about Tumblr, it's full of overly sensitive people with just a little too much time on their hands. Ignore them.

I hope you're doing alright now Wren. Remember, you're in a safe place.


message 6565: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Monika wrote: " other strong female characters like Eve from In Death series... :( ..."

Or Mercy Thompson


message 6566: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments Speaking of strong women characters:

Eve/In Death and Honor Harrington (the David Weber series of umpteen...though not as many as "JD Robb"...books) are the two strongest women characters I've read in the last 67 years.

Weber's fantasy series "The War God's Own" (first book), features some extremely strong women.

And IMNHO, Miss Marple qualifies as well. Beneath that supposedly dithery exterior was a will of steel.

And I'm not disagreeing at all with Mercy Thompson.

Okay, I have to go back to typing for dollars now. Thanks for the mini-break.

Eric-who'd-prefer-to-be-reading-fun-stuff


message 6567: by Lori S. (last edited Dec 18, 2015 09:09AM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Another strong female character who gets very little press is Vicki (Victory) Nelson from Tanya Huff's series of the same name.

Blood Price (Victoria Nelson, #1) by Tanya Huff


message 6568: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments Lori S. wrote: "Another strong female character who gets very little press is Vicki (Victory) Nelson from Tanya Huff's series of the same name.

Blood Price (Victoria Nelson, #1) by Tanya Huff"


Absolutely right, Lori. Ms. Huff tends to have strong women characters in all her books. And also...

Awwwww. Doggone, y'all. Ya done did it to me. I hereby complain and whine as follows:

I just spent a Christmas bonus on 45(ish) movies from AMZ, from new/recent stuff to ones I only have on VHS and would like to see again. (If anyone knows where to get a DVD of Hepburn/Olivier in "Love Among the Ruins" let me know!!!)

So the talk about Tanya Huff led me to start to mention her Confederation series with Staff Sergeant Torin Kerr (of the female persuasion since you can't tell by the name >s<). And for some odd reason I mentally segued into a sword and sorcery series with a strong woman warrior. I couldn't remember her name but did remember the series was by Jennifer Roberson.

Thanks to Google I found the "Sword-Dancer" series about Del(ilah) and Tiger. It turns out there are now 7 novels in the series that started in 1986, with an 8th upcoming. I have the first 6 in trade paperback, but while I know what the 11,600ish books in my library are, I have no bloody idea where this set is. Thus I'm going to be forced to buy ebook copies so I can reread the series.

And it's all your collective fault!!!!

So there.

Eric-the-ever-ranting


message 6569: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Lori S. wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I wanna complain that I am afraid to talk about my triggers and the issues I face for fear of sounding like some pathetic tumblr sjw.

The ones I have are based on 10 year..."


Thank you


message 6570: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Eric wrote: "Lori S. wrote: "And it's all your collective fault!!!!

So there.

Eric-the-ever-ranting"


I've tried to get into Huff's Torin Kerr books for years and still haven't managed it. Maybe I'll try an audiobook at some point.

As for that last bit - glad to be of service! Smiley


message 6571: by Monika (new)

Monika | 3337 comments @ Wren, everyone has things that trigger some kind of reactions in them. If you know yours, then it's half of the success, imo. I usually don't know what triggers me when I get angry. I don't believe anyone here would think that you are a "pathetic tumblr sjw" if you decided to share your problems. Sometimes simply writing things down helps, sometimes someone really can come up with some good piece of advice. Or if you don't want to talk about personal things openly talk to one of your friends. However, if you react in such a strong manner, maybe you should talk to some professional. They teach some techniques how to deal with things that trigger a person. In my opinion, worst thing you can do is to not talk about it.
*hugs* and remember, there are a lot of people here who wish you well :)


message 6572: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "Lori S. wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I wanna complain that I am afraid to talk about my triggers and the issues I face for fear of sounding like some pathetic tumblr sjw.

The ones I have are ..."


I'm sorry you feel like your triggers are shameful. These things aren't and I so agree with Lori. (((hugs)))


message 6573: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Thanks everyone

I've tried professional help, none of them really did anything but I think I'll try again if I can find the time and a counsellor.


message 6574: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "Thanks everyone

I've tried professional help, none of them really did anything but I think I'll try again if I can find the time and a counsellor."


It is so hard to find one that will be what someone needs. You keep trying. I'm working on my daughter to go to someone but she is being stubborn. (She was raped and has sever anxiety.) I'm glad you aren't.


message 6575: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Tj wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "Thanks everyone

I've tried professional help, none of them really did anything but I think I'll try again if I can find the time and a counsellor."

It is so hard to find..."


I'm so sorry. :( I really hope things get better for her


message 6576: by Wren (last edited Dec 18, 2015 03:15PM) (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments I went through all sorts of bs and now certain things relating to it, whether it be direct mention of something similar that happened, or implying something within the context of which it occured (ie religion) make me feel sick inside, its like a reflex, my stomach clenches, I get the urge to cry, often I get the urge to be aggressive. Sometimes I find myself grinding my teeth really hard, my heartbeat quickens, I have trouble breathing, and depending on how bad it is sometimes I think about how I don't want to live anymore if these sort of things are always there. When I get triggered sometimes my body physically shakes and I can't stop it. I get the urge to run when they're mentioned in real life. Even if its just in passing.


message 6577: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Dec 18, 2015 05:07PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "I want to complain that I feel like a large number of YA and NA contemporary romances sound ridiculously similar. Girl meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each other, but should they really..."

I disagree. A dissimilar version exists:

Girl Guy meets mysterious guy, they are attracted to each other, but should they really...

Just kidding <-Grin-> :)


message 6578: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "I went through all sorts of bs and now certain things relating to it, whether it be direct mention of something similar that happened, or implying something within the context of which it occured (..."

Why hasn't your doctor prescribed anti-anxiety medication (usually a benzodiazepine like Klonopin) for your generalized anxiety disorder symptoms?


message 6579: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments I am complaining that Goodreads will not do anything about the font change. I submitted this complaint t(below) to them using help [At the end of the small print at the bottom and to the left of Switch to mobile version.] Then from the choices on the right select Contact. Select "other" as the problem and tell them how it deeply bothers you.

Even though I complained on behalf of the group it is important that they receive a large number of complaints so each of you should complain individually.

Sent to Goodreads:
"I represent Goodreads members in my Group (Complaint Department) . Several members of the Complaint Department have agreed that the new font is not just esthetically a bad choice but it is actual harmful because it hurts people's eyes. As moderator I must be on Goodreads in my group everyday. I just spent 15 minutes in my Complaint Department group and I now have a headache. There were no vision problems with the previous font. This is a case were good intentioned people in Goodreads management think they must do something to help users and end up making things worse. Please restore the previous font."


message 6580: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Preston wrote: "Wren (He or They) wrote: "I went through all sorts of bs and now certain things relating to it, whether it be direct mention of something similar that happened, or implying something within the con..."

I used to take them. We tried several different ones, for different periods of time. Nothing works in terms of meds.


message 6581: by Eric (last edited Dec 21, 2015 07:18AM) (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I wish to complain that now I can't complain about Dreamspinner's sort-of bait-and-switch, and stuffy sticktoitivity about the rules.

DSP advertised a sale of 11 for $1 for 1 day. The titles looked interesting and to a tightwad like me, what's not to like? But when I reached checkout the price was $14.99. After a calm WTF! reaction at my screen I did a little checking, and one book on the list was, after all, shown at it's regular price, without the discount being applied. I figured it was just a typo and if I went ahead, I'd get a refund or store credit for the extra $3.99.

So I paid the full price, and immediately sent them at email explaining their goof, and asking for a refund of the $3.99 or a refund of the full price if they wouldn't honor the sale commitment.

I received, yesterday, a "sorry for the inconvenience of having charged you too much for a book that was on sale, but that sale is now over and we don't do refunds or store credits except for duplicate orders."

So I sent the following, which I call a nastygram (between the asterisks):

******

It's good to know that Dreamspinner doesn't honor its advertisements, sort of a bait-and-switch kind of thing since DSP did offer all of those 11 books at $1.

It's good to know that when DSP makes a mistake, a customer who gambles on DSP rectifying its error will be on the losing end of the bet.

It's good to know that when DSP refuses to correct a mistake it makes, it does so with a feeble "our rules don't permit us to fix what we did wrong in overcharging you for a book we advertised as being on sale," when the reality is that the owners/management can do whatever they choose to do in terms of breaking/bending a policy to fix a company error...and then don't choose to do so.

All of the above is really good to know because I have just under 11,700 books in my personal library, about a third of them now being electronic, I buy hundreds of books a year, and this incident will certainly be a factor in my future book-purchasing decisions. And yes, when I'm purchasing from Amazon, I normally do scroll down the page to see who the publisher is before clicking on the purchase icon.

Apology not accepted.

******

This morning I got an email that provides me with $3.99 in store credit, which is just fine.

So I therefore wish to complain about Dreamspinner being an honorable gay press...so are they all, all honorable gay presses...and cutting off my ability to whinge about it not being so.

>sigh<

And of the 5 books I've read so far, they've all been fun.

Eric-the-ever-buying


message 6582: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments It's sad when there's nowt to complain of :-)


message 6583: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Eric wrote: "I wish to complain that now I can't complain about Dreamspinner's sort-of bait-and-switch, and stuffy sticktoitivity about the rules...."

I'm really ticked off that Dream Spinner Press did the proper thing in reimbursing you because now we can't complain about anything other that we can't complain about them. They have some great titles too. How said we have to praise them instead of damning them.


message 6584: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments How dare someone nominate Harry's Great Trek in the M/M Romance Readers' Awards in two categories:


and



message 6585: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments It is with deepest sorrow and regret that I complain that for the first time in my life I've been nominated for an award, as in



for Mr. Felcher's Grand Emporium, or, The Adventures of a Pair of Spares in the Fine Art of Gentlemanly Portraiture

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

and I find I am competing with the eminent RK himself.

Ah, well, quel dommage as they say.

Eric-the-surprised-and-honored


message 6586: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Congrats to our medalists!


message 6587: by Raven (new)

Raven ~Words Hurt~ (scarsarewhatmakeyoustronger) | 30 comments I hate it when people make fun of me. I'm just like everyone else. If I'm bullied why can't everyone be bullied? I've been called every name in the book, and I know some people who have never even HEARD of some of the names people call me.
And people wonder why I cut. -_- Idiots..


message 6588: by Monika (new)

Monika | 3337 comments I want to complain that I'm too lazy to write anything and will never get such pretty M/M Romance nomination ;))
Congratulations gentlemen :D


message 6589: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Dec 25, 2015 04:58PM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Raven wrote: "I hate it when people make fun of me. I'm just like everyone else. If I'm bullied why can't everyone be bullied? I've been called every name in the book, and I know some people who have never even ..."

Welcome Raven. I'm glad you joined the Complaint Department. Don't worry you won't get any lectures here just empathy from those of us who have also been bullied and called names. As a gay man I have been called all sorts of nasty names so I feel badly you're getting called names.


message 6590: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Merry Christmas . Feliz Navidad . Joyeux Noël




message 6591: by Raven (new)

Raven ~Words Hurt~ (scarsarewhatmakeyoustronger) | 30 comments Preston wrote: "Raven wrote: "I hate it when people make fun of me. I'm just like everyone else. If I'm bullied why can't everyone be bullied? I've been called every name in the book, and I know some people who ha..."

I feel you. My sister is gay as well (lesbian) and she has been called plenty of mean names. She doesn't deserve it, and nethier do you.


message 6592: by Monika (last edited Dec 25, 2015 03:08PM) (new)

Monika | 3337 comments Preston wrote: "Merry Christmas . Feliz Navidad . Joyeux Noël "

Merry Christmas!
Damn, I want this guy to be my Christmas tree *.*
And instead that's my reality:



message 6593: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Eric wrote: "It is with deepest sorrow and regret that I complain that for the first time in my life I've been nominated for an award, as in…and I find I am competing with the eminent RK himself..."

Kind of you to say so, Your Eminence! :)


message 6594: by Tj (new)

Tj (bluesmokey) | 632 comments NO!!!! I just dropped my tablet and broke the screen...*sobbing*


message 6595: by Monika (new)

Monika | 3337 comments Ouch, that's no fun. I hope it still works or at least it's salvageable...


message 6596: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Tj wrote: "NO!!!! I just dropped my tablet and broke the screen...*sobbing*"

No. Not fun.
Smiley


message 6597: by Wren (new)

Wren  (wrenreaders) | 339 comments Im just sad. Im just so sad and afraid.


message 6598: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Wren (He or They) wrote: "Im just sad. Im just so sad and afraid."

Hi Wren,

I know you don't think much of medication but there are scores of medications for anxiety and depression. If I was in your position I would search for a psychiatrist that I felt comfortable with, tell her or him all my fears and sorrows and work together to test the vast types and range of medications until I found one that worked. That's what I did for depression many years ago and now it's not a problem at all. If you try this I wish you good luck.


message 6599: by Preston, Moderator (last edited Dec 28, 2015 08:49AM) (new)

Preston | 20148 comments @Rick and friends:
The January 8/15, 2016 double issue of Entertainment had the gall to reveal my personal physician, Dr. Strange. At least it didn't reveal what magic he uses to keep me from wearing a Robin Hood mustache and Superman's wife's wedding gown like he does. This is so, so, so…Cumberbatch!




message 6600: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments I don't like Cucumberpatch. :(


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