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message 5751: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Roger wrote: "An American "Quack" Doctor is let loose in Europe to medically cure homosexuals...

He has no credentials here in fact in 2002 he was permanently expelled from the American Counseling Association. Richard Cohen is not licensed by any American or any other licensing body whatsoever.

He has said: "I am not doing therapy per se. I'm coaching."

His book Coming Out Straight: Understanding and Healing Homosexuality is on Goodreads. Many Goodreads members have ridiculed it and rate it with one star counteract positive review. They have rated it with one star even though they have not read it because they know all they need to know about it to rate it. If you would care to add to the put down of his book you would be in good company.

And of course do as Roger has suggested and sign the petition at https://www.allout.org/en/actions/no-...


message 5752: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Now I am really angry. How dare people like this get equality in matters of insurance (and who let Jay Bell's partner Andreas out…?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d917...


message 5753: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments A possibly very serious complaint from Grizelda. Check her post:

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

and see if anyone knows what's going on with a company purporting to be an ePublisher called DIPRESS.


message 5754: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments ♥♡♥♡♥♡HAPPY 30th ANIL ♡♥♡♥♡♥



message 5755: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Happy birthday Anil!


message 5756: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Happy Birthday, Anil!!


message 5757: by Rick (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Happy Birthday, Anil!


message 5758: by Anil (new)

Anil (loykalina) | 303 comments Thank you, guys! xxxx


message 5759: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments

GRUMBLE GRUMBLE MUST I SAY IT?

Monika in British Columbia and everybody everywhere:




message 5760: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments *grudgingly says*

Thank you Preston and a Happy Canada Day to all my fellow Canadians!

Flag of Canada


message 5761: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Hope it was a good one!! Not long to the Fourth now…!

But goddammit Oliver and I are off to London this morning for two nights, so he can be present at the British Library for the evening talk with author Rupert Smith about Oliver's (Zack) contribution to gay London liberation, and what happens? The London Underground power workers go on strike today until 9th. The management say it will have no impact on services, the union says it will be chaos.

:::groan:::


message 5762: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments It was a beautiful sunny day. :)

Even with the strike how exciting for you and Oli!

Sorry Preston I didn't comment in a complaint way sometimes it's so annoying to have to do that. :P


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Roger wrote: "Hope it was a good one!! Not long to the Fourth now…!

But goddammit Oliver and I are off to London this morning for two nights, so he can be present at the British Library for the evening talk wit..."


How am I going to get to work? Hey how come you guys didn't say you will be visiting London?? We could have met for lunch :(


message 5764: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments How exciting for you two! The history part, of course, not the traffic nightmare. And now I'll complain that Ije is back to work.


message 5765: by Averin (last edited Jul 02, 2014 08:01AM) (new)

Averin | 1962 comments I wish to complain that I can't articulate how asinine I think this behavior is: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-mu....


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Averin wrote: "I wish to complain that I can't articulate how asinine I think this behavior is: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-mu...."

Asinine and shameful.


message 5767: by Monika (new)

Monika  | 2175 comments Averin wrote: "I wish to complain that I can't articulate how asinine I think this behavior is: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-mu...."

This is totaly asinine!


message 5768: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Ije the Devourer of Books wrote: "How am I going to get to work? Hey how come you guys didn't say you will be visiting London?? We could have met for lunch :( ..."

Oh, Ije, we were half way down the M40 when it occurred to me that I should have mentioned the British Library evening (I'm so sorry), which went brilliantly, well over a 100 people in the auditorium, and Rupert Smith was great at introducing the topics and getting Oliver talking. Shocking picture son the giant screen as well :-))

Anthony McDonald made it to the evening and although he couldn't make the talk, we all met with Anil after.


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Roger wrote: "Ije the Devourer of Books wrote: "How am I going to get to work? Hey how come you guys didn't say you will be visiting London?? We could have met for lunch :( ..."

Oh, Ije, we were half way down t..."


So I missed you, Zack and Anil :( Nevermind. Next time hopefully. Glad to hear it went well.


message 5770: by Lori S. (last edited Jul 07, 2014 07:48AM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments In what universe is it OK for a strange guy to walk up to another person, who he does not know, and rub shoulders with her?! I had to run downstairs to retrieve something from the guard station and while I was standing there another guard walked up and rubbed his shoulder against mine! Arrgh. NO, just NO!!!!!!!!
Smiley


message 5771: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Lori wrote: "In what universe is it OK for a strange guy to walk up to another person, who he
does not
know, and rub shoulders with her?! I had to run downstairs to retrieve something from the guard station..."


I hate when crap like that happens. Technically, most employer sexual harassment policies say any unwanted touching,blah, blah, blah. But making a complaint is a whole new hell. Not complain, you could unknowingly be laying out the welcome mat to such a dick. My sympathies.


message 5772: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments Additional thought: Perhaps quietly suggesting to the guy, "You touch me again, and I'll break your arm off and shove it up your ass, sideways." (Most politely said, of course.)

Additional thought: "You do that again, and I'm filing a complaint" (which means you have to, since there's no point in bluffing).

Either way: document what happened. Sit down (frankly...NOW!)and either write out everything that happened in handwriting, signed and dated, or if you type it out, print a copy, and even if the typed text has a date, sign it in blue ink (which makes it easier to show it's an original, given the capabilities of copiers these days) and date it as well.

And I mean literally document...everything that happened from the moment you entered the site where this occurred to your departure. If there's any further contact with the guy (as in a warn-off), document that as well.

I'm not qualified to give you legal advice, but from a logical standpoint, if you have this stuff in writing close to the time the event(s) occurred, should you need to refresh your recollection later (he makes a move again, you have to complain) this is more "authentic" than suddenly saying weeks/months later, "Oh, yeah, and this also happened."

Just my USD .02.

Eric


message 5773: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Eric wrote: "Additional thought: Perhaps quietly suggesting to the guy, "You touch me again, and I'll break your arm off and shove it up your ass, sideways." (Most politely said, of course.)

Additional thought..."


You're absolutely right, Eric.


message 5774: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Thanks Averin.


message 5775: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Eric wrote: "Additional thought: Perhaps quietly suggesting to the guy, "You touch me again, and I'll break your arm off and shove it up your ass, sideways." (Most politely said, of course.)

Additional thought..."


Bueno, Eric. Good thoughts and thanks.


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Sorry thus happened Lori. And thanks Eric for the good advice. I get on really well with my colleagues but I wouldn't expect them to initiate any form of contact with me, what more if it is a perfect stranger?

Lori - If you have a way of raising this within your organisation then you should do even if it is someone having a quiet word with the person concerned.


message 5777: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments If I were better at thinking on my feet (I just wanted to get my item and leave) I would have made a complaint to the other guard who was standing right in front of us at the time. Sigh.

Thanks Ije.


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Never mind. Don't feel that you need to do anything. It is easy to look back on these kinds of situations and think about what you would have liked to have said or done at the time, but the reality is these things often take us by surprise and it isn't always possible to respond at the time.


message 5779: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Lori wrote: "In what universe is..."

That is totally weird. In what Universe indeed!? The guy must be an alien. I mean people you know and love don't come up to you and rub your shoulder… it's freaky. The likelihood of me getting to New Mexico is slim to none but if I do I promise not to rub your shoulder. Are real hug instead of a virtual one would be nice though :-)

We've missed you but then I know you don't have time for our Complaint Department games. So once again, no sicko shoulder rub but but as always a hug and smile though virtually.


message 5780: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Preston wrote: "Lori wrote: "In what universe is..."

That is totally weird. In what Universe indeed!? The guy must be an alien. I mean people you know and love don't come up to you and rub your shoulder… it's fre..."


You say the sweetest things Preston. I don't tell a lot of people this, but I am somewhat touch averse, especially with strangers and I really don't appreciate strangers assuming that they can touch me without permission. My friends, on the other hand, I will give hugs to so you'd be welcome. Smiley


message 5781: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Had he tried rubbing his nose against yours you could at least have pegged him for someone from… oh, is it Inuit or the guys from Papua New Guinea who do that to say "hello"?


message 5782: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments

I'm bejiggered that this information isn't sent to every social service agency in the world:

"Children of same-sex parents have above average health and well-being, research by the University of Melbourne shows." NBC News

See story at: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-he...



message 5783: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments An Australian research result, well observed, no doubt. Odd, that the statistics are so favorable in a country still resisting same sex marriage.


message 5784: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments And the biggest problem for the kids and their families are coming from outside sources. Hmmmm.....


message 5785: by Rick (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Lori wrote: "And the biggest problem for the kids and their families are coming from outside sources. Hmmmm....."

Isn't that always the way with prejudice & intolerance?


message 5786: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Yep.


message 5787: by Rick (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Lori wrote: "Yep."

Just one reason why I have loved the Planet of the Apes films over the years. All that wonderful sub-text about prejudice and intolerance. ;)


Dusty Bibliophile  | 28 comments I hate that there are no discussions about books I want to discuss. I hate that all the action in book discussions (outside of groups) is in YA and reeks of Teen Spirit.


message 5789: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "I hate that there are no discussions about books I want to discuss. I hate that all the action in book discussions (outside of groups) is in YA and reeks of Teen Spirit."

What genre of books do you want to discuss?

If you can't find any discussions you could hang out here with us because we all are waiting for a frog with a crown to come along so we can kiss him and turn him into a handsome prince. I think it might happen very soon.

Either that or the big hunk who's a bully at high school is going to turn out to have a crush on us and make us live happily ever after.

I'm sorry there are no book discussions about books you want to discuss. :-( That's no fun.


message 5790: by Dusty Bibliophile (last edited Jul 18, 2014 06:55PM) (new)

Dusty Bibliophile  | 28 comments As an example, I am reading The Big Over Easy. There seems to be very little in the way of discussion of this book. Another book I'd chat about, The Quantum Thief seems to be discussed in book groups but since I can't dedicate myself to reading all the books in the groups to consistently be an active discussion participant I can't participate. And the books that I have read that are actively being discussed are YA such as Divergent, Delirium, or The Host seem to attract topics like "Which character would you want to take to bed?" or "What did you think of the movie?"

Oh, Preston, btw, your avi (at least in thumbnail form) makes me think of Tamara de Lempicka's works.

EDIT: Sorry, just reread the rules. Just google Tamara de Lempicka Adam Eve.

EDIT: Oops. I missed actually answering the question.

Preston wrote: "What genre of books do you want to discuss?"

I read mostly fantasy and sci-fi with some literary fiction thrown in. I also enjoy non-fiction and wouldn't mind discussing various topics in that category. I'm pretty eclectic.


message 5791: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Here you go:
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Some day my frog will come ...


message 5792: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Cute frog, might make a Handsome Young Prince ;-/


message 5793: by Rick (new)

Rick | 15794 comments Lori wrote: "Here you go:


Some day my frog will come ..."


I hope you don't have to wait too many more days for that Frog. He looks like a charmer. ;)


message 5794: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "Oh, Preston, btw, your avi (at least in thumbnail form) makes me think of Tamara de Lempicka's works."

It was painted by Oliver Frey who is a member of this group and is Roger's partner. Some of Oli's works are on exhibition now at The British Library where he spoke at a recent event.

Oli has long been called a legend now that the British Library has put him on display as well as his artwork we can call him a National Treasure of the UK.


Dusty Bibliophile  | 28 comments Cool! I like the art style. Sorry to see you changed the avi.


message 5796: by Eric (new)

Eric Westfall (eawestfall) | 386 comments I hereby whine, whimper and complain that I'm going to have an Allusions Contest when MMRG publishes The Rake, The Rogue and the Roue.(For those who don't know already, it's a Regency MMM novel set in "Another England" in which Charles II honored his word and on regaining his crown, persuaded Parliament to abolish the sodomy laws, including the death penalty.)

As some of you may know from my earlier stuff, in and out of the MMRG events, I use allusions. A lot! I don't actually think...oh, hey!, how can I work in a reference to Hamlet and Yorick...and then figure out how to do so.

It just happens. There I am, clickety-clacking away on the keyboard, and suddenly, there the allusion is. Now granted, sometimes once I know I want to make a reference to a particular song, for example, or a movie or a play, I tweak the words until they're right. But sometimes, the line is just there.

Thus the Allusions Contest.

I'm not sure how enticing the prize will be, but the winner will get a free copy of my next-up "for sale" short novel: The Warlord and the Bard, which will be out and about amongst the pixels in a couple of weeks.

The basic rules are simple: In the first X days (so okay, I haven't figured that out yet) after RRR is first published by MMRG, you all read the book and jot down the allusions. You'll have to make a list, letting me know what the allusion is and where it's from.

Here's a freebie example: "Lay on, Macduff, and damned be him, who first cries 'Hold, I've pissed enough!'" >s<

The correct answer would be something to the effect of "The Macduff pissed line. Macbeth."

Considering how well-known the actual line is that one is kind of obvious.

Another freebie: Donna Summers and Streisand are lurking about.

Note: If the same source is alluded to twice (though hopefully in a different way) that counts as a separate allusion.

So whoever gets all the allusions right (if anyone bothers to try) gets a free copy of the new book. And if there are more than one of you, everyone who gets the list right gets a copy.

And as a bonus, the first person who sends in a full correct list gets a copy of the next book after Warlord/Bard. I have no idea which one that's going to be, but the odds are: (a) no way out...another Regency set in "Another England" with a really, really, really nice HEA scene that's already written, and it won't be anywhere near as long as RRR, or (b) The Prince and the Redneck (working title), inspired by the every-intriguing mind of Eloreen Moon.

Thoughts, anyone?

Eric


message 5797: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Interesting. Could be fun. :-)


message 5798: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Wow, Eric. That's almost as intellectual an exercise as the CD poems and Everwending stories, which are—of course—incredibly intellectual in their scope.

Allude Away, I cry, looking everywhere within my kingdom for a horse a horse… anyone?


message 5799: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "Cool! I like the art style. Sorry to see you changed the avi."

You hurt my dog's feelings. >grin< Don't worry I will be back to using 'Nibbled Ear' because i love it… it's so sexy too.


message 5800: by Preston, Moderator (new)

Preston | 20148 comments Eric wrote: "I hereby whine, whimper and complain that I'm going to have an Allusions Contest when MMRG publishes The Rake, The Rogue and the Roue.(For those who don't know already, it's a Regency MMM novel set..."

I can't play. I ain't an intelekule. What is an illusion?


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