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I quit watching half way through season one.
Becky wrote: "I quit watching half way through season one."*jaw dropped*
Mmm, this kind of topics are what turned the GR group "ASOIAF Fans" into a community of whiners and crybabies, I seriously hope this group doesn't get infected by that as well :PAnyway, in the spirit of keeping "Valar Moghulis-Valar Dohaeris" a friendly and comfortable place, I'll contribute:
I'll keep watching because I have no reason not too.
Is Season 5 the weakest so far? Totally. Can't argue with that.
Was Dorne's plot worthless and contribute nothing cool to the show? Absolutely.
Are the books still infinitely better than the TV show? That has always been the case with most adaptations and this is no exception.
But, is the show, as an independent... thing, without considering the books, a good show? More than that I would say, it's one of the best TV shows I've seen, and I've seen a lot.
So yeah, damn right I'll keep watching.
As for what I'm more hyped about the next season...
- Finding out Jon's fate.
- "Tyrion and Varys: A meereenese adventure."
- Daario and Jorah the Greyscale Andal going in a quest to save princess Zeldaenerys (wait, what?).
- Motherfucking Oldtown, baby!
- Yar! Pitares at least! Or the closest thing we'll get: the Greyjoys. I really hope we get to see Nagga's Hill with the bones of the giant sea monster.
- Cleganebowl? Or whoever the FrankenMountain Robert Strong faces in Cersei's trial.
- What in seven hells is Littlefinger up to?
I quit halfway through Season 4. Bottom line.. I like the books a lot better than the show and didn't want to show to spoil my enjoyment of the books. I'll just wait patiently for the book releases. Maybe some day, when I'm old and grey and the book series is complete (or when I have to accept that the book series will never be complete), I'll power watch the show on whatever new fangled Netflix type contraption is around at the time.
I can't not watch. Too addicted to the characters and stories even if they are different from the books. I've said it before and will say it again... I'm an addict and I need my next fix! No matter what!
I also can't not watch. this show would have to go to a True Blood season 6 level of bad for me to even consider not watching, and it's far from that. still so many great things about the series despite my increasing complaints.
mark wrote: "I also can't not watch. this show would have to go to a True Blood season 6 level of bad for me to even consider not watching, and it's far from that. still so many great things about the series de..."Ahhh, this made me lol. I 100% completely understand and agree with your TB reference. They butchered that show! I was hooked season 1 - probably 4. I mean "binge watching instead of responsible chores/social activities/college homework" hooked. After that it was so bad!
Dawn wrote: "I quit halfway through Season 4. Bottom line.. I like the books a lot better than the show and didn't want to show to spoil my enjoyment of the books. I'll just wait patiently for the book releases..."Netflix is the devil! But yes, there are other series that are also good (Black Sails is one)
Remy wrote: "What in seven hells is Littlefinger up to? "
I want Sansa to meet him and flay him. That bastard.
@Maureen & Mark: Man, True Blood is indeed a disaster. Stopped watching after those fairies showed up. Well, at least Game of Thrones has some magic moments.
I am excited for Olenna vs Cersei showdown next season. I guess Randyll will stay in The Reach to meet Sam.
Silvana wrote: "That is the question. And why. I will start. I will keep watching:
1. because of some story arcs I really enjoy, of which continuation I am still eager to know. Arya and everything in King's Lan..."
There are certainly sufficient differences to regard the Books and the Show as seperate entities now. From what has been said, insofaras I understand, GRRM had the full book plan before he began writing, so hopefully the show won't influence too much. SHOW-WISE however, now he's been dispatched, I'd love to see a Randyll/Sam catch up now that Sam's grown a pair.....
Do wargs automatically transfer to animals upon death? I think this is what happened to the character in the prologue to ADWD. Rob may have transferred to Greywind during the Red Wedding the Wolf was killed as well. So it could be that Jon transfers to Ghost automatically after being stabbed. I'll have to watch to show to find out what happens to Jon.
From what I've seen from GRRM interviews he knows in his mind the ending but he makes up the story to get there as he goes. He gave a talk that some writers are architects that plan in detail the full story and have outlines. Other writers are gardeners that make things up as they go with an ending in mind. GRRM said he is of the gardener type. So it's not like GRRM can just hand the show producers an outline so they can closely follow the books. So differences should be expected.
I don't know about you guys but I don't prefer the option of him being inside Ghost at all. Yes, direwolf can fight but that's about it, his ability would be so limited...unless he developed telepathic skill to communicate to regular humans
I don't think wargs transfer their consciences automatically when they die. I think those that did it, like Varamyr and the other wildling Jon killed and sent his conscience to the eagle (can't remember his name) did it like a last resourse when they knew they were dying, so they reach their conscience to an animal instants before their bodies died. I wanna re-read ADWD's prologue, I'm sure there are more answers there.GRRM might make up some of the story as he goes, but at least he hasn't contradict himself so far, that I know of, so that's ok to me. As long as he respects continuity, it's all good.
Silvana, about Jon warging into Ghost, I wouldn't like that option either if it was something definitive, but if he does, I don't think it would be forever. If he indeed has something to do with some of those prophecies, he won't come back as just a wolf, and also, I'm convinced Melisandre will do something. Otherwise why the hell would they take her back to Castle Black in the show, or make her have prophetic dreams about "Snow" in the books? I think he'll spent some time inside Ghost's mind, but not forever.
Didn't Varamyr also said in his prologue that he couldn't stay forever in the wolf's mind? If I'm remembering correctly. Still, that wasn't a direwolf with a mystic connection to his family, so I don't know what are the rules there. But I do think Varamyr's chapter is there for a reason and that reason has something to do with Jon's fate.
varamyr first died and transferred when was six and his father struck him with a axe to the head. This early age and quick death seems like the transfer would be automatic. Maybe the warg ability varies from person to person. It would suck for Jon to run around for a whole season as ghost but who knows. I saw a YouTube video where kit and the producers jokingly talked about Jon being a wolf in season 6. It seems the whole wall plot revolves around Jon so if Jon is really dead then the whole plot was just a big waste of time. So I think Jon will somehow still be involved in the story
I'll keep watching.I enjoy this season, like a lot so I have to keep watching the show.
I love ASOIAF universe, and untill the next book, the show is where I feed my fanboy beast.
I deserted my post at the end of Season 2, when the departures were not so egregious. The good, and bad thing about the series is, given that news of it is splashed all across the net and other media platforms, one can easily keep abreast of what is going on without devoting the time watching the descent into fan fiction and farce.
I might wait until the last Sunday of the season and binge watch next year unless I hear that it is better than this year. I found that this season was just , dreadful most of the time. A waste of money and time, for the most part. We are not all in it for the sex and violence despite what the writers think.
Binge watching is probably better. I watched the first four seasons that way. The 5th was the first I watch as the shows on the first airing. Much better to watch it all at once as you get so little from each story line in an episode if you watch then wait a week for the next to air. I might go back and binge the 5th season now.
Just curious, why some people think season 2 is bad? I know Qarth storyline was horrendous but it was not completely made up, and definitely not as bad as Dorne/Winterfell last season. And we have that explosive (pun intended) Blackwater episode, Harrenhal scenes with Tywin, Arya and Jaqen and of course Renly's assasination.
I wished the show would have shown the battle of the fists of the first men back in season 2 or 3. I found it very confusing what had happened to most of the nights watch when the few survivors made it back to Kraster's Keep.
Great to see that the show won 3 major Emmys tonight! Finally! Peter Dinklege,for best supporting actor, and both D&D writers and the director for the "Mothers Mercy" episode.
Funny they got an Emmy after the weakest season. I think it is a compensation after they lost to Mad Men/Breaking Bad repeatedly. Same goes to Peter, he should have won last year. It is just an overdue award.
I agree Silvana, I think it's their guilt showing!
Hey guys, which storyline do you think they will do best (and probably worst)? Arya's training, Mercy scene and so on
Tyrion and Varys ruling Meereen
Dany in Dothraki sea and so on
Jon Snow's coming back to life and situation at The Wall
Bran's training with the Weirtreenet
Winterfell and the North: Sansa Theon Brienne Pod
Davos doing gods know what
Sam in Oldtown and Meet the Tarlys at Horn Hill
Kingsmoot
Jaime and Bronn Strike Back: The Riverlands Adventure
Cersei vs The Tyrells
Dorne...stuff
I know I forgot something. Anyway, look forward to hear (well, read) your opinion :)
Silvana wrote: "Hey guys, which storyline do you think they will do best (and probably worst)? Arya's training, Mercy scene and so on
Tyrion and Varys ruling Meereen
Dany in Dothraki sea and so on
Jon Snow's com..."
That's a pretty good list. Since I'm such a fan of both of their characters: Tyrion and Varys ruling Meereen. "The West Wing: Meereen" is sure to have plenty of drama and comedy! They both just absolutely NAIL their characters and can't wait for lots of witty banter.
Close seconds: Kingmoot, Jon Snow (obvi) and Winterfell action.
Ok, I realize I just read that question you posed incorrectly. Those are the storylines I'm most excited about/HOPE they do the best. But my #1 pick still stands because those actors are just so good.
I really want to see what happened1. After Theon and Sansa jumped
2. To Rickon
3. Did Stannis really die?
4. Did Jon die or get resurrected, and by whom, and as what?
5. What flashbacks do we get to see
6. Bran's enlightenment
7. What highjinks Little(twisted)finger sets in motion
8. When/if Cercie recovers what will she do for revenge
9. Same for Margery and her family...will there be a war?
I think the storylines they will do best would be the King's Landing one. And probably Arya's, based on the set pictures, they pretty much dedicated a lot for the Mercy scene. Kingsmoot and Oldtown/Horn Hill are still 50/50. I hope Euron will kick ass and the Tarly family drama won't be too soapy.
After seeing Kit Harrington's recent picture in the set wearing Stark colors, I am most intrigued with the North/Wall storylines.
So I think I've figured it out....yes Jon Snow is dead! But Jon STARK lives. That way his ties to the Watch are no longer valid, his story can continue, and he no longer wears the black. That's his new story line and no one is lying about Jon Snow being dead.
Might be a good reason to keep watching...one can only hope?
Mmmm Chris....you always tickle my brain.... You crazy man!
Chris wrote: "Or Jon Targaryen."It really depends on who "legitimizes" him after resurrection. If it is Howland Reed, then yes, Jon Targaryen. If it is Robb Stark's letter (or was it a Will/his orders/wishes upon death? Can't quite remember) then Jon Stark (and maybe eventually Targaryen if Reed ever makes an appearance!).
Brain tickle! Lol :)
Chris wrote: "Or...Jon Blackfyre?"Yes, sir, that is a definite possibility as well!
Kit has been seen in set so Jon Snow/Targaryen/Stark/Tarly/Lannister/ Baratheon/Greyjoy/Skywalker/Al'Thor/Hightower/Potter/Pendragon will be resurrected as Azor Ahai/The Chosen one/The Boy who lived/ Night Angel/Vader...
Slick wrote: "Kit has been seen in set so Jon Snow/Targaryen/Stark/Tarly/Lannister/ Baratheon/Greyjoy/Skywalker/Al'Thor/Hightower/Potter/Pendragon will be resurrected as Azor Ahai/The Chosen one/The Boy who liv..."You forgot to include his true identity, Wolf Jesus :p
I'm still laughing... I really needed a good laugh today ta very much Slick!
I will start. I will keep watching:
1. because of some story arcs I really enjoy, of which continuation I am still eager to know. Arya and everything in King's Landing, obviously.
2. Kingsmoot. They know now making up stories completely are not yielding the best results (see: Dorne) so maybe they will try to be faithful to the books this time.
3. Oldtown. We are going to see some addition in the form of the Tarlys but hell, bring it on. Have Randyll face to face with Euron if needed. Ironborn vs the Knights of the Reach, full steam ahead. Hell, if we get Oldtown we might even get a decent Sand Snake for once.
4. The new Meereenese Triumvirate.
5. There's no way I could stop using social media with the spoiler galore.
How about you guys?