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❀Tea❀ wrote: "Another book with no ebook page numbers: Highlander Untamed. Paperbook is 300+ and on Amazon is 400+."Done! All three in the trilogy. Good books, BTW; I read them.
Posted both here and on ebook thread for this challenge - wasn't sure which place you would want it☺here is the book I'm reading ebook version of
FYI- GR page states paperback version has 298 pages
Done! Man-oh-man, ~Melissa~, that one has all kinds of page numbers for the various versions. LOL!BTW, here is best. I zapped your comment in the other thread. ☺
Lisa Kay wrote: "Done! Man-oh-man, ~Melissa~, that one has all kinds of page numbers for the various versions. LOL!BTW, here is best. I zapped your comment in the other thread. ☺"
Okeydoke and thanks!
I think the author did a "revision" and "re-released" it as there are comments that it had tons of typos,lol. I'm assuming the first was self published maybe...
My edition from
has no page info. I'm looking at it right now, and it has 570 pages.I'm only start reading it tomorrow, for the BOM reading, and I don't mind to switch to other edition, but that cover is sooooo pretty :)
~Melissa~ wrote: "...it had tons of typos..."That would be a good reason.
Sonia wrote: "My edition from has no page info."Done!
Can team captains also ask about other member's books here?
Here's one from me - I read the ebook but as you can see, the page numbers are all over the board:
I assumed that
as well as the rest of the books in this series have enough pages as I think they all have over 1000 ebook pages.If not I need to remove this one from my shelves and then not count in the future.
Rebecca wrote: "...the page numbers are all over the board: ..."True. So, I'm going to leave that one alone. Unless there is a specific book/edition you want me to change.
~Melissa~ wrote: "......"Amazon has the print page count at 672, so I'm going with that, Melissa. I changed all the eBooks of that one.
Lisa Kay wrote: "True. So, I'm going to leave that one alone. Unless there is a specific book/edition you want me to ch..."It's more of a "does it count or doesn't it." Maybe it was answered elsewhere but what is the rule if there is a "print" edition that qualifies but the ebook doesn't.
FYI - I elected not to have used it but was wondering how to handle these situations.
1. With Kindle books is there a conversion formula that allows us to see whether an ebook fulfills the 170 page rule? If so, what is it?2. Also a number of kindle books I've recently downloaded have a page number specified with the comment "contains real page numbers". Does this mean that these numbers would be the actual numbers found in the 'real' book or do we take our guide from the GRs stipulation of pages?
Rebecca wrote: "It's more of a "does it count or doesn't it." Maybe it was answered elsewhere but what is the rule if there is a "print" edition that qualifies but the ebook doesn't."If there is an edition that shows a high enough page count - and it is NOT a LARGE PRINT book - then, I say, "Yes, it can count."
Zara wrote: "1. With Kindle books is there a conversion formula that allows us to see whether an ebook fulfills the 170 page rule? If so, what is it?"Zara, in answer to your first question, I'm using this from techtips.salon.com "This gives a rough rule of thumb of one page in print equating to 2KB."
Also, this:
Maybe this blogsite will help you a bit: The Daring Novelist.
Guess I should have had the cut off at 160 pages.
Science Fiction Writers of America
Short fiction: under 7,500 words
Novelette: 7,500-17,500 words
Novella: 17,500-40,000 words
Novel: 40,000 words and up
Short Mystery Fiction Society
Flash story: up to 1000 words
Short short story: 1001 - 4000 words
Long short story: 4001-8000 words
Novelette: 8001-17,500 words
Of course, now you have to find an eBook publisher who gives you word count.
Zara wrote: "2. Also a number of kindle books I've recently downloaded have a page number specified with the comment "contains real page numbers". Does this mean that these numbers would be the actual numbers found in the 'real' book or do we take our guide from the GRs stipulation of pages?"Yes, from blogs I have read I believe this is a new feature the iBook publishers are using - mainly due to readers request. (So many of us are in book clubs. We need page number references!)
Sorry, I'm ignorant on what you mean by "GRs stipulation of pages."
Zara, I'll do a scan of the GRs Librarian Group for "GRs stipulation of pages."
Lisa Kay wrote: "Zara wrote: "1. With Kindle books is there a conversion formula that allows us to see whether an ebook fulfills the 170 page rule? If so, what is it?"Zara, in answer to your first question, I'm u..."
"Of course, now you have to find an eBook publisher who gives you word count." LOL
I think Smashwords does but I get the bulk of my ebooks from Amazon.com or Koorong bookstore.
Zara wrote: "I think Smashwords does..."Yes, I use them as a source, also.
Lisa Kay wrote: "Zara wrote: "2. Also a number of kindle books I've recently downloaded have a page number specified with the comment "contains real page numbers". Does this mean that these numbers would be the act..."What I mean by GRs stipulation of pages is the pages quoted when one clicks on a book title to get more information on the book. I'm a GR Librarian myself and I never even thought to do a search there. Silly me. Thanks for the help.
Lisa Kay wrote: "~Melissa~ wrote: "......"Amazon has the print page count at 672, so I'm going with that, Melissa. I changed all the eBooks of that one."
Woohoo ~ thanks! I've also sometimes checked the ebook verification thread in the group called The Seasonal Reading Challenge. Not sure if you or one of the team captains are a member there but they have a llloooonnnngggg list of yes and no ebooks for page count.
Lisa Kay wrote: "Sonia wrote: "My edition from has no page info."Done!"
Thanks!!! :o)
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Nope. Not a member, but thanks.
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I need a page number for the following:
Amazon says 264 pages but I thought we couldn't use Amazon as a source so I don't know where else to check.
And I swear there was a Kindle edition listed the other day because I have in my notes 387KB.
Thanks!
Thanks for the link - I can't tell you how many hours I spent last night looking for this guidance.
I am also reading the Rock Chick series, I added the two that have book pages on the record, but there are still 5 that don't have it on the ebook version. I don't use my ereader very often, but where do I find KB to convert or do I try to go off the Kindle version when I have the Smashwords version? I would like to add the page numbers for these so that I can count them as well, they are all as long as the other two books which already have page counts over 170. I am a Goodreads librarian, so if someone can help explain how to determine this I can add counts to the editions. I have only done it if I have the specific book in my hand with page numbers because that is easy.
Turtlecollector wrote: "...where do I find KB to convert or do I try to go off the Kindle version when I have the Smashwords version?"Turtlecollector, KB refers to the file size. I'm not sure what type of computer you have, but I have a PC. Without going to the Amazon Kindle store (which would be the easiest, since the information is right the under Product Detail), I go into:
My computerSince my smashwords books go there also, it is the same process, though really, the words posted on their website are more accurate.
My C drive
User folder
Lisa folder
My Documents
My Kindle Content
Does this help?
Okay I found the word count on smashwords website, but how do I determine page count. I went to the blog you posted and used that estimate of 250 words/page but the numbers came out quite a bit higher than the kindle version listed on GR. Is there a better way to determine pg count or can I add these numbers to the editions?
Turtlecollector wrote: "I went to the blog you posted and used that estimate of 250 words/page but the numbers came out quite a bit higher than the kindle version listed on GR."Turtlecollector, why don't you tell me the particulars: what book you are talking about, the smashwords website word count, and your conversion, and what Kindle has listed.
~Melissa~ wrote: "Lisa Kay wrote: "~Melissa~ wrote: "......"Amazon has the print page count at 672, so I'm going with that, Melissa. I changed all the eBooks of that one."..."
I am a member of that group and our books for that challenge have to be at least 100 pages long. The list they provide is for ebooks without a print edition. All the books on that list has been checked for page number verification from reputable sources such as amazon,the publisher,author website etc ☺
That is a very competitive challenge so page numbers for books is necessary for fairness to all players.
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as 672 pages. If you can show me - or rather, give me the hyperlink - where on the author's web page that this is different, I'll be glad to change it.
Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges wrote: "100, ♥Robin♥, or 1,000?"I'm part of that challenge as well - surprisingly, only 100 pages.
Rebecca wrote: "I'm part of that challenge as well - surprisingly, only 100 pages."I'm just NOT seeing that, ladies. All I see is 672 pages on that book on all editions. (Well, I saw 670 on one, but I changed it.) Is it possible that someone has that book posted with the author's name spelled slightly different and listed as only 100 pages?
Lisa Kay, I was only responding that the group has strict guidelines about page numbers, not the page numbers of this book.
Regarding the Rock Chick series, smashwords has them listed at approximately 2 MB per book. Not sure if that helps.
Well, I was looking at Post #36 & Post #39.
OOPS sorry LK I was just making a comment about being a member of that group,(The Seasonal Reading Challenge) and about the SRC's guidelines state that books for that challenge have to be a minimum of 100 pages long and commenting about the list Melissa was referring to for the SRC group...wasn't making any reference to the book
and how many pages it was because I definitely don't know any page numbers for that series.
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Lisa Kay wrote: "Turtlecollector wrote: "I went to the blog you posted and used that estimate of 250 words/page but the numbers came out quite a bit higher than the kindle version listed on GR."Turtlecollector, w..."
Kindle pages according to GR:
Rock Chick Renegade 411
Rock Chick Revenge 595
Rock Chick Reckoning 561
Rock Chick Regret 607
Using word count according to Smashwords.com and dividing by 250 (which the blog you listed says is pretty common):
Rock Chick Renegade 147810/250=591
Rock Chick Revenge 171400/250=685
Rock Chick Reckoning 157170/250=628
Rock Chick Regret 170050/250=680
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I checked those books through Ingram and Worldcat and they are NOT listed.
There are many books out there, like the classics, that are posted with different page numbers, depending on the version and publisher.
With eBooks, this is going to be especially true, and very hard to get an agreement. There are multiple blogs on this topic, as it is a hot debate.
As far as the blog I listed, that is a guideline for us to use when there are no page numbers, but a member wants to know if a book counts. As you can see, it leans generously toward the higher page number side.
Personally, though GRs tells us we can NOT use Amazon or Smashwords as a source, if a book is published through Amazon or Smashwords, I find this very frustrating.
Should I not add these books to my shelf? Or, can I assume they are more than 170 pages since I read the Smashwords version, and all the other versions are well over 170 pages?
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