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What are U reading these days? (Part Five) (begun 3/12/09)
Jenni wrote: "I'm still working on Gone With the Wind, but I've also started reading Handle with Care by Jodi Picoult. Has anyone read this one? I'm such a sucker for Jodi Picoult!...I'm also reading The Art of Science by Ransom Noble. ..."
Jenni, I have yet to read a Jodi Picoult novel. She sure is a prolific writer. Which one should I start with? I already have _My Sister's Keeper_ on my To-Read Shelf.
Is _The Art of Science_ fiction or non-fiction?
How do you know Ransom Noble?
I see that she is a female. What an unusual name!
I would start with My Sister's Keeper. It will make you think! My first Jodi Picoult book was Vanishing Acts A Novel. This is a good book too, but I think I'd recommend Plain Truth after My Sister's Keeper. The only book I wouldn't highly recommend is The Tenth Circle A Novel. It's not that the book isn't good, it's just that I'm not exactly interested in graphic novels.I like Jodi Picoult because she makes you think. It doesn't matter if you agree with the story, you'll still walk away thinking about your own values and opinion.
Joy, if you try her, I think you'll like her!
I went to high school with Ransom Noble. It's a funny story, we met because I hit her (by accident) with a flag in marching band during our junior year. After that, we became friends, and the rest is history! The Art of Science is her first published book, but she also has a short story in Ruins Metropolis.
Joy, I doubt "True Blood" will be up your alley. I'll also warn you that the first episode had more sex & gore in it than the others. It is loosely based on the book. Most of the first season was based on the first book, but there are quite a few changes to characters & events.Dead and Gone was the one I just finished reading. It's the latest.
Jenni wrote: "I would start with My Sister's Keeper. It will make you think!...I went to high school with Ransom Noble. ..."
Jenni, thanks for the recommendations. I've copied and saved them in my files.
Interesting that you went to high school with Ransom Noble. It's a great feeling to see an old friend succeed in some way.
My 1951 high school graduating class included author, David Halberstam, who went on to succeed as a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author. Wiki says he was "known for his early work on the Vietnam War, his work on politics, history, business, media, American culture, and his later sports journalism." I remember him walking through the halls of our high school in Yonkers, NY, (a serious fellow, his arms full of books), but I never really knew him as a friend, even though he signed my yearbook.
In memoriam, David Halberstam.(He died in a traffic crash in 2007.)
I wish good luck to Ransom Noble and her publications.
Jim wrote: "Joy, I doubt "True Blood" will be up your alley. I'll also warn you that the first episode had more sex & gore in it than the others. It is loosely based on the book. Most of the first season wa..."Thanks for the warning, Jim. I'll take a look at it anyway.
I wish someone had warned me about _The Story of Edgar Sawtelle A Novel_. It turned out to be kind of horror story at the end. It's noted for its parallels to Shakespeare's Hamlet plot-wise. But that doesn't make it more appealing to me. I think it was just a cheap device to inflate the worth of his book.
Below is from a customer review of the Sawtelle book at Amazon.com:
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RE: _THE STORY OF EDGAR SAWTELLE_
"Sometimes a book just has the wrong ending, not a sad or loose end trailing kind of ending--both of those endings are just fine if they are the right ending for the story, but the wrong ending. 'The Story of Edgar Sawtelle' is a book with the wrong ending, making it a frustrating read. ... a wrong ending ... can make us resent the time and emotion we have invested in a story. And the ending is wrong for this book whether you see it as a retelling of 'Hamlet' or as a dog story.
'The Story of Edgar Sawtelle' frustrates so many of us posting on this site because the ending feels so wrong. Could Wroblewski have just gotten tired of telling his story and wanted to be done or perhaps his editor was up against a time crunch and needed to get the book to bookstore shelves quickly? Whatever happened, it's a shame because the characters deserved a proper ending and so did we, the readers."
FROM: http://www.amazon.com/Story-Edgar-Saw...
(Also, at the same web page, see customer Walter Scott's review entitled:
"Author Torches His Book As Well".)
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Joy-I feel the same way about Edgar Sawtelle. I wanted to like it so badly, but it fell short of my expectations. Parts of the book were so good, but other parts (like the end) were so rushed, and not good at all. In fact, I thought that the end of the book was incredibly rushed. I can't understand how that passed the editor. :)
Jenni wrote: "Joy-I feel the same way about Edgar Sawtelle. I wanted to like it so badly, but it fell short of my expectations. Parts of the book were so good, but other parts (like the end) were so rushed, ..."Jenni, I agree. I've never in my life resented a book so much as the Edgar Sawtelle book.
Y'all have made me feel better for resisting buying Sawtell! Thanks. :)
I've chosen Pandora by Anne Rice because it was on my bookshelf. The two choices for the letter K will have to wait, as the first choice, Karavans #1 is part of a trilogy. I have #1 and #2, #3 was supposed be out last year but I haven't seen it anywhere, amazon, here or the library. I'm not going to start a continuing story without having the end in hand. And the second choice, Kingdom River turns out to be #2 in a series; pointless unless I get the first and if there are others to the series then I'll need those as well.
Joy H. (of Glens Falls) wrote: "Jenni wrote: "Joy-I feel the same way about Edgar Sawtelle. I wanted to like it so badly, but it fell short of my expectations. Parts of the book were so good, but other parts (like the end) were..."No problemo!! Don't cave into the temptation! (Besides, if you REALLy want to read it that badly, just send me your address, and I can mail you my copy. I have no desire to keep the book!)
Joy H. (of Glens Falls) wrote: "Jenni wrote: "Joy-I feel the same way about Edgar Sawtelle. I wanted to like it so badly, but it fell short of my expectations. Parts of the book were so good, but other parts (like the end) were..."I cannot think of another book that I was as disappointed in as this one.
Pontalba wrote: "Y'all have made me feel better for resisting buying Sawtell! Thanks. :)"Oh Glens Falls Group, I have Edgar Sawtelle on my bookshelf, from where it has been glaring at me now for probably two months. It was pressed on me by a friend who LOVED it, but more and more it seems she's in a minority, and the more I hear about it from the apparently vast group of people who definitely did NOT love it, the harder I'm finding it to step up to the idea of spending time reading it. There always seems to be something more interesting and attractive pushing in line ahead of it!
Jenni wrote: "Jim wrote: "I'm very surprised by the reading of GWTW & seeing the movie. I really thought everyone had seen both. So much for what I 'know'. ;-)Both are classics for good reasons. Worth making t..."Hi Jenni - I'd read GWTW when I was about eleven, inspired by my mother's famous party trick of reciting the entire first page from memory (something she was able to do, and with great verve I might add, till the day she died) and reread it again a few years ago when I realized I really couldn't remember very much about it. The movie had superseded my memories of the novel, I think. One of the things that struck me when I went back to it was how attractive and engaging Mitchell makes a main character whose signature traits are basically narcissism, ruthlessness, and a willingness to throw pretty much anyone under a bus to get what she wants. They're the qualities that make her such a survivor, and such an ideal match for the equally unscrupulous Rhett, but I did find myself marveling at Mitchell's achievement in getting us to root for her so wholeheartedly: "Go, Scarlett! Steal your sister's fiance! Hit that little slave girl in the face!" :) (Very funny scene on that latter subject in Moonlight and Magnolias, Ron Hutchinson's comic play about the writing of the film script.) I also had not remembered how rich the historical atmosphere of the book is, and - setting aside the dialect issue - how fully realized the African-American characters are, which has to have been a big deal at the time and which Hattie McDaniel embodied so remarkably in the film. Every time I see it she blows me away again with the power and humanity of her acting, in spite of being saddled with the stereotypical studio idea of a Southern black servant. She just gets it done, and makes those prejudices and assumptions irrelevant to the character she offers.
Joy H. (of Glens Falls) wrote: "Nina wrote: "Add me to the list of non-readers of GWTW ... I often wondered why I hadn't read it. But, the first time I travelled to Atlanta years ago I made sure we drove down Peachtree"Nina, sp..."
Hi Joy - I LOVED Peachtree Road, and I hardly ever meet anyone who's read it. I actually prefer those earlier books of Anne Rivers Siddons - Foxes' Earth is great too, and Kings Oak - when she seemed to be pursuing a fascination with women in the South, and what that particular society does (or did) to them, turning them into belle-victims or into passive-aggressive monsters. In recent years her books have begun to feel a little squishy and uncommitted to me, in the sense that they don't have a larger underlying point to make, although I always enjoy reading them. And I've never forgotten this quote from Foxes Earth: "Along this road, only Jesus saves, only Coke adds life." What a concise, devastating summation of a certain kind of desperate, down-at-heel place. We used to drive through the South every summer to visit my grandparents, and oh boy did I know immediately the kind of road she was talking about.
I just got a catalog from a book club where I can pre-order The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. I didn't even know he had a new book coming out!I'll buy it, I liked the fast pace of The DaVinci Code and Angels & Demons. This is supposed to be fast paced and features Robert Langdon once again.
I have a bit of a wait, ship date is Sept 15th.
Jackie wrote: "I just got a catalog from a book club where I can pre-order The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. I didn't even know he had a new book coming out!I'll buy it, I liked the fas..."
I'm with you, Jackie, I had a great time reading both the Langdon books, and I have very little patience with all these people who get after Dan Brown for not being a superb literary stylist - seriously, did they think they were getting Dostoevski here? - or pushing some kind of sub rosa, subversive anti-Catholic agenda. (For goodness' sake, it's just a NOVEL, he came across an idea that sparked his imagination and he wrote a story!) I totally respect and appreciate authors who can write a full-on, barn-burner entertainment and know how to tell a terrific story. Stephen King is the same way - although I do actually think he's a much better writer from a stylistic standpoint. And I think you can tell in the first three or four pages when you've got one of those, it's like being a kid again: tell me a story! And then what happens! It's one of our most primal responses. So good for Dan Brown. I can't wait for the next one!
I'm not looking for literary genius, I find it boring really. I'm looking for adventure and Brown delivered that with both DaVinci and Angels.I'm expecting the same from The Lost Symbol.
I especially love the Langdon character because I'm into symbology and etymology, making Langdon my dream character, one who can deliver information without getting overly wordy or full of himself.
I hated the portrayal of him in themovie though, I felt it was just so off, so wrong.
Jenni wrote: "Joy H. (of Glens Falls) wrote: "Jenni wrote: "Joy-I feel the same way about Edgar Sawtelle. I wanted to like it so badly, but it fell short of my expectations. Parts of the book were so good, but..."I agree about the Sawtelle book. I really liked the beginning--the concept of communicating by signing with the dogs. It didn't go anywhere near where I thought it would go. Felt very flat and depressed at the end.
I also just finished Testimony by Anita Shreve and loved it---she never disappoints! The structure of this story was very intriguing!
Joy H. (of Glens Falls) wrote: "Nina wrote: "I am going to a Box Hill picnic on May 31st and ... we in the Jane Austin Book Society have an annual picnic to capture her mood. I will be reading aloud from that book..Should be fun...."Speaking of Ulyesses: I once took a course of how to read it. It was a challange that I haven't quite yet accomplished. nina
Jackie wrote: "I'm not looking for literary genius, I find it boring really. I'm looking for adventure and Brown delivered that with both DaVinci and Angels.I'm expecting the same from The Lost Symbol.
I es..."
Last night I went to a lecture about the science behind Angels and Demons... now I really want to read the book and see the movie! I agree with you Jackie - Dan Brown does a great job with adventure. When I read The DaVinci Code, I wasn't looking for "literary genius," just something fun to read.
Jenni,That must have been an interesting lecture. I wish I could have been there. I've been intrigued by the Illuminati for decades and read anything I find on that elusive group. I can't even imagine how difficult it must have been to be scientist in a theological world. Can't say I blame them for being so secretive, but it makes finding out about them difficult.
Pontalba wrote: "Y'all have made me feel better for resisting buying Sawtell! Thanks. :)"Pontalba, thanks for chiming in on this.
Margaret wrote: "Oh Glens Falls Group, I have Edgar Sawtelle on my bookshelf, from where it has been glaring at me now for probably two months. It was pressed on me by a friend who LOVED it, but more and more it seems she's in a minority, and the more I hear about it from the apparently vast group of people who definitely did NOT love it, the harder I'm finding it to step up to the idea of spending time reading it..."Margaret, yes, so many Goodreads members really panned Wroblewski's "Sawtelle" book, as you can see at the following web page:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27...
At our book discussion group the other night, there were fireworks in the room as the book was discussed. We were each very emotional about our opinions of the book, whether PRO or CON. To hear someone praising it really raised my hackles. When I read online newspaper columnists praising it, I start to lose faith in their opinions.
Readers of the book should go into it knowing that it's going to be a wrenching story, not just a sweet story about a mute boy and his lovable dogs. Forewarned is forearmed!
Jackie wrote: "I've chosen Pandora by Anne Rice because it was on my bookshelf. The two choices for the letter K will have to wait, as the first choice, Karavans #1 is pa..."Jackie, where is the book challenge you speak about, re reading authors whose names begin with all the letters of the alphabet?
Margaret wrote: "I'd read GWTW... One of the things that struck me when I went back to it was how attractive and engaging Mitchell makes a main character whose signature traits are basically narcissism, ruthlessness, and a willingness to throw pretty much anyone under a bus to get what she wants. ..."Margaret, thanks for pointing out so well all the great things about Margaret Mitchell's book, _Gone With The Wind_ .
I'm inspired now more than ever to read the book.
Margaret wrote: "I LOVED Peachtree Road, and I hardly ever meet anyone who's read it. I actually prefer those earlier books of Anne Rivers Siddons - Foxes' Earth is great too, and Kings Oak - when she seemed to be pursuing a fascination with women in the South, and what that particular society does (or did) to them, turning them into belle-victims or into passive-aggressive monsters."Margaret, thanks for recommending Siddons' _Fox's Earth_. That's one of hers I haven't read.
Somehow, I still remember the erotic "red ribbon" scene in Siddons' _Outer Banks_. It was my first time reading something of that sort. :) I'm pretty sure that scene was in that particular book.
Jackie wrote: "I just got a catalog from a book club where I can pre-order The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. I didn't even know he had a new book coming out! ..."Another book by Dan Brown. After reading his _The Da Vinci Code_, I found _Angels & Demons_ to be written in much the same style of a "wild-goose-chase" after a solution to a mystery. So I didn't finish it. IMO, the "wild-goose-chase" (is there a better word?) went on too long and I found it tiring and a bit boring.
PS-But I must say I enjoyed the book until the chase went on too long.
As far as the spiritual side of it, I felt it was too far-fetched. But as Margaret said, it was just a story.
One thing I dislike is when an author goes on and on, using obsure language about spiritual beliefs. I hate ambiguity. Can't remember if Dan Brown did that, but the book, _Gilead A Novel_ did that, and I didn't enjoy those parts.
Carol wrote: "I agree about the Sawtelle book. I really liked the beginning--the concept of communicating by signing with the dogs. It didn't go anywhere near where I thought it would go. Felt very flat and depressed at the end.I also just finished Testimony by Anita Shreve and loved it---she never disappoints! The structure of this story was very intriguing!"
Carol, glad to find another reader who was disappointed with the Sawtelle book. It's nice to be validated.
I've got Shreve's _Testimony_ on my To-Read Shelf. Thanks for the recommendation.
Margaret wrote: Hi Joy - I LOVED Peachtree Road, and I hardly ever meet anyone who's read it. I actually prefer those earlier books of Anne Rivers Siddons - Foxes' Earth is great too, and Kings Oak..
I looked at the links you provided, and if I recall correctly, they put me in a mind of Frank Yerby, gosh, I haven't thought of him in years. I read at least some of his books when I was practically a kid, and loved them. I couldn't tell you one detail about the books now, but at the time they made quite an impression on me. It would be interesting to go back and reread some of them to see just how much of my ideas/thinking comes from them.
I looked at the links you provided, and if I recall correctly, they put me in a mind of Frank Yerby, gosh, I haven't thought of him in years. I read at least some of his books when I was practically a kid, and loved them. I couldn't tell you one detail about the books now, but at the time they made quite an impression on me. It would be interesting to go back and reread some of them to see just how much of my ideas/thinking comes from them.
Jackie wrote: "I'm not looking for literary genius, I find it boring really. I'm looking for adventure and Brown delivered that with both DaVinci and Angels.
I'm expecting the same from The Lost Symbol.
I es..."
I did read The DaVinci Code and thought it rather clichéd and flat, but I'm told that some of the chase scenes in the film were quite effective.
I was surprised when they cast Tom Hanks as Langdon, while I like Hanks ok, good looking he isn't, and it seems to me a big deal was made of how good looking Langdon was in the book.
I'm expecting the same from The Lost Symbol.
I es..."
I did read The DaVinci Code and thought it rather clichéd and flat, but I'm told that some of the chase scenes in the film were quite effective.
I was surprised when they cast Tom Hanks as Langdon, while I like Hanks ok, good looking he isn't, and it seems to me a big deal was made of how good looking Langdon was in the book.
Jenni wrote: "Joy-I'm guessing it's The Book ChallengeThere is also an A-Z title challenge - it's fun too!"
Thanks, Jenni. That seems to be it at:
http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/9...
I've joined that group just so I can go back and read what's there when I get time. It's fun keeping up with what's out there in the book world, but I must say it's a bit overwhelming. On the other hand, the more I talk about books, the more I learn and understand about the different genres and their PROS and CONS.
Pontalba wrote: "...they put me in a mind of Frank Yerby, gosh, I haven't thought of him in years..."Hmmmm, Frank Yerby. I've never read anything by Yerby. But I do remember the title of his book, _FOXES OF HARROW_ which was made into a movie in 1947.
Below is the link to the movie page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039394/
From the Goodreads author description:
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"Frank Yerby rose to fame as a writer of popular fiction tinged with a distinctive southern flavor. In 1946 he became the first African-American to publish a best-seller with The Foxes of Harrow. That same year he also became the first African-American to have a book purchased for screen adaptation by a Hollywood studio, when 20th Century Fox optioned Foxes. Ultimately the book became a 1947 Oscar-nominated film starring Rex Harrison and Maureen O'Hara. Yerby was originally noted for writing romance novels set in the Antebellum South. In mid-century he embarked on a series of best-selling novels ranging from the Athens of Pericles to Europe in the Dark Ages. Yerby took considerable pains in research, and often footnoted his historical novels. In all he wrote 33 novels."
FROM: http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
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Now I've learned something. :)
Pontalba, I agree, completely wrong casting. I, too, am a fan of Tom Hanks, just not in this. Langdon was also younger, about 40, so being good-looking was believable. Hanks' 40 is long past. I think he's a wonderful actor, but the Langdon character didn't require outstanding acting. I don't think playing Langdon did anything for Hanks' career either.
I liked DaVini because I like word puzzles, puzzles of any kind, so I was trying to figure it out before Langdon did. I succeeded in all but one riddle.
I cou;d care less about people's reaction to it or the supoosed controversy surround it. It was a fictional novel and went along for the ride, that's all.
Jackie wrote: "I'm not looking for literary genius, I find it boring really. I'm looking for adventure..."Jackie, maybe you've got the right idea. :)
See the NY Times article, entitled "LITERATURE' BORES ME", at the following web page:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage...
I wouldn't enjoy it if it were a chore and that's what some literature is to me, a chore. I read what entertains me, after all, that's what life's all about. It's my free time, and I'll choose how I want to spend it. Not to say that I haven't read literary genius, I have, but it still has to be entertaining. Dune by Frank Herbert comes to mind. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. There's plenty out there where you can have both.
Jackie wrote: "... Not to say that I haven't read literary genius, I have, but it still has to be entertaining. ... There's plenty out there where you can have both."Sometimes trying to find it is the hard part. :)
Thanks for the links to the books and authors, Jackie.
Pontalba wrote: "Jackie wrote: "I'm not looking for literary genius, I find it boring really. I'm looking for adventure and Brown delivered that with both DaVinci and Angels.I'm expecting the same from The Lost S..."
I never got the Hanks choice either - among other things, I don't think he comes off as an especially convincing intellect on screen, although he's certainly a intelligent person. (That's a weird thing - actors who are very smart in life often don't play that way, and those who in reality are not the brightest bears in the forest can play absolute genius and be completely persuasive. It's a mystery.) How about Clive Owen? Or that Scots actor who was in ROME and does Grey's Anatomy now - Kevin McKidd? Not that they'll change up the casting on this one, that Brian Grazer-Ron Howard-Tom Hanks club is pretty tight...
Jim wrote: "Joy, I doubt "True Blood" will be up your alley. I'll also warn you that the first episode had more sex & gore in it than the others. It is loosely based on the book. Most of the first season wa..."Did you like, My Sister's Keeper? I thought it fairly good. nina
I've never heard of "My Sister's Keeper", Nina. What is it?
Re "literary genius," I think that making fiction (or whatever other literary form a writer is working in) truly entertaining is one essential component --though not the only component-- of genuine literary genius. All of the acknowledged great authors of the pre-modern period were popular with ordinary readers, who did find their work entertaining. But so much of what the modern critical clerisy hails as "literary genius" is actually just pretentious crap.
I have to laugh Werner,that's about what I think of much of the modern, or post-modern, whatever it's called it is totally unreadable to me. Writers like Thomas Pynchon annoy me no end. The little I've tried to read of Pynchon has left me colder than cold, and also with the rather creepy feeling that the author is playing with his audience, somewhat laughing in his fist at the readers that hail them as "great". Not just him by a long shot, but that name happened to float to the top.
To me literary genius is someone like Vladimir Nabokov, or John Banville. Something that you can not only sink your teeth into, but lyrical prose that is beautiful to read or listen to.
To me literary genius is someone like Vladimir Nabokov, or John Banville. Something that you can not only sink your teeth into, but lyrical prose that is beautiful to read or listen to.
Wanted to mention a book that is a good read. It is written by a friend of mine and it is captivating. Titled "Smart Boys Swimming in the River Styx" by Robert Phillip Bomboy. It starts in the summer of 1950 (with the Korean war looming).It portrays the lives, loves, losses, and hopes of its main characters. For anyone who enjoys: history, vivid settings, raw emotion, and pleasant nostalgia- this is a good one!
Just short of 700 pages but so enthralling it flies by.
Werner, pretentious crap, yes, I share you opinion.
Jenni wrote: "I would start with My Sister's Keeper. It will make you think! My first Jodi Picoult book was Vanishing Acts A Novel. This is a good book too, but I thin..."I got my reply in the wrong slot. I meant to answer Jenni concerning Jodi Picoult. I thought two of her books were great; Second Glance and My Sister's Keeper. nina
This is an answer to Jim about, MY SISTER'S KEEPER> I was supposed to be answering Jenni's remarks concerning that book which I thought was terrific..It concern's a child who was conceived in order to donate bone marrow to an already born sibling. etc and how she feels about this especially as life for her goes on and for her sister who is dependent on her for living..Very interesting and great character development. nina
Margaret wrote: "... How about Clive Owen? Or that Scots actor who was in ROME and does Grey's Anatomy now - Kevin McKidd? ... "Margaret, I'm not up on my actors, so I looked up the two you mentioned. If anyone is curious, they can use the links below:
Clive Owen: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0654110/
Kevin McKidd: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/
Pontalba wrote: "I have to laugh Werner, that's about what I think of much of the modern, or post-modern, whatever it's called it is totally unreadable to me. ..."Pontalba, Werner, & Jackie:
It's good to know that I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Nina wrote: "This is an answer to Jim about, MY SISTER'S KEEPER> I was supposed to be answering Jenni's remarks concerning that book which I thought was terrific..It concern's a child who was conceived in order..."Nina, thanks for the summary of _My Sister's Keeper_. An interesting idea for a story. It's on my To-Read Shelf.
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I'm also reading The Art of Science by Ransom Noble. I'm also only a few pages into this one. It looks like an easy read. (Oh, and I'm also friends with the author!) :)