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i read that a couple of years ago. i can't wait to see your review of it. i really liked the part about iceland.

Chrissie, why could you never be a Buddhist?
I had a quick detour off my Around the World quest, but am back on track starting Anil's Ghost for Sri Lanka in my 5 mins of a lunch break today.

Welcome newbie Astrid! :P
I know, the posts are distracting, aren't they? I need to stop myself from reading them all and read my actual book.
Enjoy revisiting Harry and London.
I know, the posts are distracting, aren't they? I need to stop myself from reading them all and read my actual book.
Enjoy revisiting Harry and London.

Osho, I am no Buddha expert, but for me that the First Noble Truth states that life is suffering, but that it can be avoided. I don't think that it can. Secondly we are supposed to negate our own wanting. Is that really possible? Having a goal and striving for it is a want and it is something that can motivate us toward good. Life without dreams and goals is blah.
It is such thoughts that prevent me.

Thanks, Chrissie. My understanding of Buddhist principles is that pain in inevitable, but suffering is not, which distinguishes between difficulty and ruminating about/cultivating emotions about the difficulty. While the Buddhist ideal is to negate ego (defined more in terms of attachment to outcomes than to having no personality), most Buddhism, in practice, attempts to foster kindness and moderation. Lack of attachment doesn't mean indifference so much as the freedom to be compassionate while unencumbered by emotionally-charged expectations about outcomes. What this can look like is that the person notices the thoughts and emotions that arise and attempts to notice that they are not inherent in whatever the stimulus was. So if I get a bad evaluation at work, I would notice my thoughts and feelings that arise in response, and attempt to refocus on my breathing rather than rehearsing my grievances to myself or reliving the unpleasant emotions. If I were successful at separating my responses (not negating them, just separating them) from the evaluation itself, I would not be so distressed (in other words, I would not be suffering needlessly), and my capacity to decouple the event and the suffering would remind me that the evaluation, like everything, is transient.
This doesn't mean that I think emotions are bad or shouldn't be explored, but that we aren't at the mercy of our suffering. As a therapist I might ask my client if she wants to move on from what she's feeling or wants to stay with it. This accomplishes the same goal of increasing my client's awareness that there are options other than holding tightly to emotions. A teaching story that illustrates this: A monk and his acolyte are members of a sect that strictly forbids touching a woman. As they are walking, they encounter a woman at the edge of a rushing river that she cannot cross. The monk picks up the woman and carries her across the river on his back. They part ways. After quite some time, the acolyte bursts out, "Master, how could you forsake your vows and touch that woman?" The master replies, "I put her down at the river, but you're still carrying her."
This doesn't mean that I think emotions are bad or shouldn't be explored, but that we aren't at the mercy of our suffering. As a therapist I might ask my client if she wants to move on from what she's feeling or wants to stay with it. This accomplishes the same goal of increasing my client's awareness that there are options other than holding tightly to emotions. A teaching story that illustrates this: A monk and his acolyte are members of a sect that strictly forbids touching a woman. As they are walking, they encounter a woman at the edge of a rushing river that she cannot cross. The monk picks up the woman and carries her across the river on his back. They part ways. After quite some time, the acolyte bursts out, "Master, how could you forsake your vows and touch that woman?" The master replies, "I put her down at the river, but you're still carrying her."
I do love that feeling in this group. It's like you feel asleep on the train/bus and have gone "Oh *choose your own expletive*. How did I end up here?"

Oooh! I want to read that!

But Buddhism seems to say it is not good to strive after goals and dreams. I am supposed to negate all wants! I cannot live without dreams or goals. Please explain this part to me, too.
Please excuse Osho and my discussion. I hope others are not annoyed. Please let Osho answer, and then I promise we will zip our mouths.

I have The Terror on my list for some challenge or other - maybe the Read Across Canada one. You'll have to tell us if you enjoyed it when you are finished.

Wonderful Osho. Do you teach? This explains in more detail a few things my craniosacral therapist has been saying. Very clear. Thanks. Perhaps you should set up a thread for us!!




Beth, sorry about your husband's news and the possible repercussions for you both. Good luck with the searches.

I am going to one of the Malayan Islands in The Gift of Rain: A Novel by Tan Twan Eng. It is set during WWII during the Japanese occupation of the islands.
Briefly,
But Buddhism seems to say it is not good to strive after goals and dreams. I am supposed to negate all wants! I cannot live without dreams or goals. Please explain this part to me, too.
As I understand it, striving and dreaming are fine, and a Buddhist attempts to have fewer attachments (that is, clinging to the hoped-for outcome). This means you have goals and hopes while also recognizing that your feelings about them are just feelings and don't influence the outcome, but only how I feel. Think about receiving a letter that you hope tells you you were accepted at a college or job. Many people experience tremendous anxiety as they hold the letter in their hands. Both Buddhism and cognitive-behavioral therapy suggest that noticing your anxiety and letting go of it, rather than continuing to nurture it, would be a good idea, since your anxiety doesn't influence the content of the envelope and only throws your body and thoughts into disharmony.
For a good book on basic Buddhist philosophy, without the syncretic addition of demons and afterlives and reincarnation, and which you can count for either Nepal or Tibet, try How to See Yourself As You Really Are by the 14th Dalai Lama.
But Buddhism seems to say it is not good to strive after goals and dreams. I am supposed to negate all wants! I cannot live without dreams or goals. Please explain this part to me, too.
As I understand it, striving and dreaming are fine, and a Buddhist attempts to have fewer attachments (that is, clinging to the hoped-for outcome). This means you have goals and hopes while also recognizing that your feelings about them are just feelings and don't influence the outcome, but only how I feel. Think about receiving a letter that you hope tells you you were accepted at a college or job. Many people experience tremendous anxiety as they hold the letter in their hands. Both Buddhism and cognitive-behavioral therapy suggest that noticing your anxiety and letting go of it, rather than continuing to nurture it, would be a good idea, since your anxiety doesn't influence the content of the envelope and only throws your body and thoughts into disharmony.
For a good book on basic Buddhist philosophy, without the syncretic addition of demons and afterlives and reincarnation, and which you can count for either Nepal or Tibet, try How to See Yourself As You Really Are by the 14th Dalai Lama.




I'm starting this one tonight; sounds interesting to me too.
Lesley wrote: "Lilisa wrote: "In North Korea with The Orphan Master's Son a fascinating and intriguing read."
I'm starting this one tonight; sounds interesting to me too."
Lesley - Let me know what you think of it!
I'm starting this one tonight; sounds interesting to me too."
Lesley - Let me know what you think of it!


I've read some nice reviews of River Town. I'll be interested in your review.
I liked Hessler's books as a trilogy of his time in China.


I loved Daughters of the North.


Lesley wrote: "I will be returning The Orphan Master's Son unfinished to the library. I had too much trouble trying to understand the dialogue and it all got a bit irritating really. Too many good books waiting..."
:-( it took me a bit to figure out the the different voices as well, but the I got into it. It was intriguing for me, particularly since I was in North Korea for the first time. But agree, not for everyone.
:-( it took me a bit to figure out the the different voices as well, but the I got into it. It was intriguing for me, particularly since I was in North Korea for the first time. But agree, not for everyone.




:)

I like it how you can put your feet in two countries! wish I could do that myself (I'm not a multibooks reader, sadly).
I just left USA with Ryan Bingham in Up in the Airand now wondering where my feet would take me =)

So how was the book compared to the movie?

it's a pity but I haven't watched the movie! Will do it before writing my review, I guess =)
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