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Honest Bleach hobbit


message 2: by Honest (last edited Mar 28, 2013 03:57PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Honest Bleach hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbir hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit


Celine☆ Wow. It's beautiful. :0


Micaela one has an r at the end of it


Celine☆ I SEE IT!


Celine☆ Yes!!! I'm so happy to hear that. :')


Honest Bleach i saw it friday BEST MOVIE IN MY LIFE


Scott I saw The Hobbit yesterday. It was GREAT!! The movie deviated from the book as much as the LOTR movies did, but it seemed to work out very well. I loved watching the bad-ass dwarves carve their way thru enemies! There was the comedic and the touching as well, so over all I heartily recommend this movie to everyone!


Jaime I still cannot see a trilogy from this smaller book.


Maari Im seeing the hobit movie today so i hope its as good as everyone says... i have high standards because its Peter Jackson.....


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Hannah Jaime wrote: "I still cannot see a trilogy from this smaller book."

agreed


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Hannah I'm seeing the movie sometime this week. I'm really mad that the next one isn't coming out till next december!


Danielle i've just saw the movie, and i loved it. I'm going to read the book after the trilogy, i almost always do. otherwise I'm going to compare the movie with the book, not just enjoy the movie for what it is.and on a side note; i reaallly liked the movie, that song, the lonley mountain, just,, wouw (L)


Kirby Jaime wrote: "I still cannot see a trilogy from this smaller book."

me neither. I don't understand that decision.


Nyaore With the way they paced the movie, I could see them maybe squeezing out two movies, if they really stretched things. Though I believe only one was really needed. But three? I just can't wrap my head around that, unless they're expanding upon supplementary material or giving full attention to scenes Tolkien might have glossed over.


Nicholas Horton I imagine they will follow Gandalf's path a bit in the next movie, that would explain how they fill it up.

As for the first film, I didn't like it. I don't enjoy my favorite Tolkien race being nothing more than comic relief, let alone all that was left out and all that was unnecessarily added in or changed. They extended this short book into three films and still can't stay true to the work... that's pathetic.


Nyaore To be fair, Gimli suffered the same treatment in the original movies. However while I enjoyed some of the humor, I do have to agree that they had a tendency to push it at times.


Jaime Anyone who has read The Hobbit will not be staisfied with this movie. It should have the disclaimer based on material from The Hobbit. It reminds of the 1950s and 1960s biblical epics where the movies never resembled the actual Bible tale.


Cassandra 'hobbir'
And yes, read the book, all you adventure-seekers!


Nyaore Jaime wrote: "Anyone who has read The Hobbit will not be staisfied with this movie. It should have the disclaimer based on material from The Hobbit. It reminds of the 1950s and 1960s biblical epics where the m..."
I wouldn't go that far, I've read the book and enjoyed the movie. Was it as faithful an adaptation as I'd have liked, definitely not, but I enjoyed it none the less in spite of my many misgivings.


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Bud Cobb Nyaore wrote: "Jaime wrote: "Anyone who has read The Hobbit will not be staisfied with this movie. It should have the disclaimer based on material from The Hobbit. It reminds of the 1950s and 1960s biblical epi..."

Agreed, I thought the infusion with stories from the Similarian are providing the material for a trilogy. Radagast and the necromancer, the mountain giants, and the pale orc are all providing much more depth and drama than the book could provide for a trilogy


Nicholas Horton It would have been a simple matter to add all the extra scenes while not changing the major story. For instance, the eagles and the wargs talk in the hobbit, but that was much less of a concern as changing the troll conflict completely, and flat out leaving three or four riddles out of the movie. They didn't just stray from the story, they changed every scene for no reason. They can't claim time, given that the whole movie could have fit into the first episode if they didn't add anything. They just plain didn't like this amazing story the way it was, and so they made a less entertaining version for the screen.


Honest Bleach Nicholas wrote: "I imagine they will follow Gandalf's path a bit in the next movie, that would explain how they fill it up.

As for the first film, I didn't like it. I don't enjoy my favorite Tolkien race being no..."


you are so wrong


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Liz Chiodo Scott wrote: "I saw The Hobbit yesterday. It was GREAT!! The movie deviated from the book as much as the LOTR movies did, but it seemed to work out very well. I loved watching the bad-ass dwarves carve their way..."

I agree, but I totally understand the choice to vary some information from book to movie and I enjoyed seeing the way it translated onto film. What a magical and inspiring tale. I love the world of Midlle Earth. :)


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Ben Hundley I saw the midnight screening, and it did not disappoint!


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Liz Chiodo I saw it at midnight too! Long night & I was soo tired Friday, but it was well worth every second (& every penny)!


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You guys do realize that the novel has been stretched into three films because PJ is incorporating Tolkien's other works into the film?

Also he can add in a lot of the Gandalf scenes to the film.

Overall, I thought it was amazing. I saw it once in 3D 48fps, then IMAX 3D 48fps.

Seriously, if you haven't seen it in IMAX, go now. It's a huge and amazing difference.

I was worried that they would cut the riddle scene into a super short thing, with maybe two riddles shown. I was so happy when they included each riddle (excluding the fish one), because I was afraid if it was so long it might bore people who aren't fans.

I can honestly say I only recently got into the LOTR fandom (I'm 14 years old, and super sad I couldn't have seen the original trilogy in theaters), and everyone has welcomed me with open arms. Most fandoms hate newbies who come in way late, but not this one.

Can't wait for the next one!


message 28: by Nyaore (last edited Dec 19, 2012 06:40PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nyaore ^ I REALLY wish I could have seen it in IMAX, but the only IMAX theater near here is showing it exclusively in 3D - and 3D gives me a headache. (And IMAX 3D ramps that headache up to eleven - complete with a side of nausea and head spinning) I'm hoping that they'll eventually put the 2D version up before the end of the movie's theater run, or they do so when they eventually have an LoTR marathon before the final film.
I agree though, both with the rest of your post and the fact that the LoTR fandom is amazing. There's some hiccups, and far too many Mary-Sues in the fanfiction sections, but overall it's one of the most pleasant fandoms I've ever had the pleasure to be a part of.


Honest Bleach yeah i dont remember the big goblin or orc or whatever he is


Andrew I first read this book in 1967, so I've been waiting 45 years for the film. I hope to see it soon, and since it's a Peter Jackson film, I'm sure it's worthy.

I've read the Hobbit at least a dozen times over the years, and I read it again last week to refresh my memories to see the film.


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Mark Having read the book so often I am happy that my oldest daughter has come to that age where she can read the book herself. And she is enjoying it a lot telling me about it with a big smile on her face. Almost as good as reading it for the first time myself.


message 32: by johanna (jo) (last edited Dec 20, 2012 10:22PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

johanna (jo) :D Loving this discussion topic. LooL. The movie was EPIC :DD I loved it :3. Changed the book a bit, which was dissapointing, but hey, not everything's possible. I just thought of it as someone else's (in this case, Peter Jackson's) interpretation of the book. But I loved it. I think the actor as Bilbo was brilliant - he really brought the character alive! And Gollum was ... he was Gollum . He was epic :D


message 33: by Teresa (last edited Dec 21, 2012 01:32AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Teresa I saw the film and then reread the hobbit only as far as the film gets.

In my opinion, although there are some big changes (just as the eagles at the end), I believe the film gives greater depth to the dwarfs (comparing to the book so far). And I, for one, loved that. In the book the beginning makes the hobbit obviously a children's book.

I've read some complaints about lack of female characters in the book, so lots of people are eager for the female character Jackson created for the films. I don't think adding that female character is a bad move (quite the opposite), but I do not feel horror stricken for reading a book without important female characters. Why can't there be stories with an exclusive male or female cast?


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Totally agree. I seriously don't see what's wrong with an all male cast, and I'm female myself. Everyone thing Eowyn (sp?) is the best female role model, and that every girl who watches LOTR loves her, but my favorite character and role-model from the films will always be Frodo and Gandalf. The rest of the hobbits are great, too. Eowyn was okay, at first I hated her because I love Arwen and Aragorn together, but as the films went on I started lightly shipping her with Aragorn.

Ugh, I had the most horrid experience today.

I was riding the bus home from school (As I said, I'm 14, and I can't start drivers ed until spring), and my neighbor and some other girl started talking. I'm not one for stereotypes, but the best way to describe them would be as dumb blondes. Anyways, we recently watched Fellowship of the Ring for English (it was amazing for me). So this is what I overheard:

"Oh my gosh, the Hobbit was, like, the worst movie ever!"
"Jesus, I know! I wish I had gone to see Breaking Dawn again instead."
"Ugh! Me too!"
So I politely intervened with this:
"Well, if you read the novels first it's much easier to understand and enjoy. Not to mention watching Fellowship of the Ring in school kind of sucked the fun out of it because we had to take notes. Also, if you watch the rest of the trilogy it's amazing."
"Seriously? No, it was crap. Four hours of shit."
At this point I was pretty pissed off. I mean, if you hate something, have a genuine reason. Then I asked what DID they like, and they said this,
"Twilight! Omigosh, Stephanie Meyers is an amazing writer! So much better than that lady who wrote those god-awful Harry Potter crap!"

Right there was when I stopped. I was SO angered by what they said, and I knew I would just say something I would regret. Seriously, there's like no people in my school who actually read GOOD literature. I'm sorry, but I've actually read every Twilight book, and it was garbage.

I might just be too protective over my fandom, but whatever.


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Peter Pam wrote: "The problem with comparing the hobbit to biblical stores made into movies is some times movies on biblical stories stray from what the bible says( that is real) the hobbit was fiction not based o..."
I disagree. They're both fiction. But there is no excuse for making an inferior 'based-on' film if there is the scope and technical prowess to render the original faithfully.

Haven't seen the movie yet. Won't be able to until next week. It doesn't open in this country until 26 Dec.


Peter Pam wrote: "Can not say much for your taste in movies.
also you do not need to use Jeesus name like you did"


Read it again.

It was the dumb blondes' taste in movies. And direct quotes of what they said. What about 'crap' and 'shit'?


Diana I've read the book too many times to count. When i watched the movie all I wanted to do was watch it over and over again. LOVE The Hobbit :D


Peter Nicholas wrote: "It would have been a simple matter to add all the extra scenes while not changing the major story. For instance, the eagles and the wargs talk in the hobbit, but that was much less of a concern as ..."

Moviemakers almost always do that, Nicholas.
Saraman's death in LotR movie, for example.
It's crosses the line between taking a liberty and artistic license, in my opinion.


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Lol sorry if I offended anyone with my language; I'm used to seeing curse words all the time on the Internet, so I didn't think it would bother anyone else. I can change it if you'd like.

Saruman's death was gruesome in the films... I haven't gotten around to it yet in the novels (I've only just finished Fellowship), but I always thought there would be an epic fight or something. Not just... getting stabbed by a mill....


Peter Your language doesn't offend me. I suspect it, selectively, only offends one poster.

Saruman's demise is nothing like the film. But without giving too much away, it's not an epic battle.


Jeremy Poole You cannot watch the Hobbit you have to read it. It’s a book, this site is called GOODREADS.I've not seen the film, but I'm sure I'd enjoy it. I've read the book and The LOTR many times. Why do we talk about films on this sight when half of the member haven't read the books? Next it'll be what's the best character and everyone will talk about the film characters. Like The LOTR no one even knows Tom Bombadil. Books rule!


johanna (jo) Jeremy wrote: "You cannot watch the Hobbit you have to read it. It’s a book, this site is called GOODREADS.I've not seen the film, but I'm sure I'd enjoy it. I've read the book and The LOTR many times. Why do we ..."

There are threads about the book ... but this thread is specially about the movie. I think.


Bara'ah i read the book,,, but u guys r really exciting me for the movie!! i think im gonna watch it!!!


Danielle Bara'ah wrote: "i read the book,,, but u guys r really exciting me for the movie!! i think im gonna watch it!!!"

you schould, it's really worth the time/money and everything ;p


johanna (jo) Bara'ah wrote: "i read the book,,, but u guys r really exciting me for the movie!! i think im gonna watch it!!!"

Haha good!! That was the idea C: have fun watching!!


Honest Bleach ງດໂາຊກກຊ wrote: ":D Loving this discussion topic. LooL. The movie was EPIC :DD I loved it :3. Changed the book a bit, which was dissapointing, but hey, not everything's possible. I just thought of it as someone e..."

you are welcome


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Liz Chiodo Going to see it again tomorrow - 48fps!


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 Becky  I thought this might be of interest to this group.

The Tolkien Professor weighs in on fan reaction to Hobbit film. January 1st 2:00 PM Eastern.

http://news.mymiddleearth.com/2012/12...


Emilie Just finished the book and now waiting for the movie to come out on DVD.


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 Becky  Emilie wrote: "Just finished the book and now waiting for the movie to come out on DVD."

Emilie, If it is at all possible for you to see it in the theater, I would strongly recommend it.

When I was in line waiting to see The Hobbit, a little boy came out of the prior viewing, he had the most incredible look of awe on his face. He announced to nobody in particular, "That was awesome!!". Seeing his enjoyment warmed my heart.

This being my first 3D experience, I said, I hope I have the same look on my face after I see this movie. I'm glad to report that I did... and he was correct, it was awesome.


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