What's wrong with Piper?

[Leah]

I'd really like to know. I see lots of Piper hate all over these discussions and I don't understand it. Can someone explain? (disclaimer: I will defend my case. No matter what. Just so you know, be prepared to debate)

[[deleted user]]

she is selfish IMO. thats my main problem with her. yes i get everyone is suppose to be a bit selfish, but IMO, she is too selfish.

i should however mention that while i dislike her because of that, i also think it makes her interesting since it means she has room for character development.

btw : we are having a discussing here and not some covert way of insulting ppl who don't share your view of piper rigth? just asking...

[Aurora]

Flawed characters, that's all I can say. It may turn out to her fatal flaw.

[Kathy ♡]

Umm.. Well in my opinion, Piper isn't really a bad character.... But a lot of people think that she's selfish. People also thought that Jason could've been with Reyna if Piper didn't get in the way. That's what I've seen on some discussions, but to me she isn't so bad....... Just my opinion =)

[Emma]

I liked Piper in the first book a lot, but I think she is just being compared to the bigger characters that most everybody likes, Percy and Annabeth. She can be a little annoying, but I'm with you, I don't get all this Piper hate going around. Maybe because her boyfriend is Jason, who can be annoying, and because she replaced Reyna.

[Leah]

I respect other people's opinions. I just think my opinion is right.

[[deleted user]]

The reason that Piper is hated is primarily because people think that she is a Mary Sue. She has flaws yes but no other character points them out or calls her out on it. Instead, they only say positive things about her.

Also, many people get a bit annoyed at her Jason obsession. To the Piper haters, Piper seems like the new Bella Swan.

She is also said to be hypocritical. She scorns Drew and the other Aphrodite girls for drooling over Jason yet she herself does the same thing later on the quest.

Also, a few of her haters are rabid Jeyna fans.

In my opinion, Piper will be a more liked character if she realizes her flaws and actually tries to change for the better.

[Rachel]

i never liked piper as a character, in the lost hero all she spoke bout was jason and how he doesn"t remember her and blah.i even felt like she and jason left leo out a lot in that book.
i hoped in the mark of athena she would be cooler because she and jason are a couple,but unfortunately she didn't.she is still is obsessing over jason and he's all she can talk about.but when she called percy unimpressive i got so mad!!!i hated how she kinda acted like she and percy weren't supposed to get along.like acting surprised when percy smiles at her in the morning and letting jason almost kill percy.i also feel that she is the least useful when it comes to battles or quest as she doesn't really have a weapon other than her charmspeak and that rick riordan goes out of his way to make important and be equal to the rest of the seven.
positive traits of her character are that despite being a daughter of aphrodite she isn't girly and has a unique personality .she can also be funny at times.
if she gets over her jason obsession and concentrates on the quests more she could be a lot cooler.

[[deleted user]]

yeah and she's just so whiny and annoying, seriously, the only thing she cares about is herself, she acts like the friggin world revolves around her

(this is MY opinion, I will try and respect others opinions too)

[Jenny]

i dont like her much.. she's so invisible to me.. all she care is what will happen to her and Jason which is not cool cuz she's facing the end of the world here... and i never like a character like that i all books i read..

[Rachel]

totally agree with you

[Martina]

Okay.
So they're stuck in a nymphaeum, right? And they're being flooded with water (the bad nymph water, ugh), right?

They're all about to die, RIGHT? Piper knows it too.

So she kisses Jason.

Yaaay.

The thing is, she's really into him (too much, in fact) and wants to keep him all for herself. Half of her POVs revolve around her and Jason and how PERFECT he is. (GAHHH PIPES, STOP SAYING THAT FOR THE BAJILLIONTH TIME UGH.)

What else is there...? Hm.

She. Never. Sees. Leo. Or. Percy.

And that makes me angry.

@Jenny OH MY GOD ARE YOU A DIRECTIONER BRUV COME HERE

[Leah]

TheEmoQueen wrote: "yeah and she's just so whiny and annoying, seriously, the only thing she cares about is herself, she acts like the friggin world revolves around her

(this is MY opinion, I will try and respect oth..."

If she's so selfish, then why didn't she just walk away from any rescue mission?

[Leah]

Also, what's wrong with liking your boyfriend? What's wrong with worrying whether you're good enough? I'm sure all of you here have liked someone at one point and felt like Piper. I actually think that Piper's fatal flaw is insecurity. Does anyone agree?

[[deleted user]]

it ok to care abt your BF, its not ok to be obsessed, nor is it ok to allow someone ( *ahem* aphrodite ) to influence the BF in ur favor...

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "it ok to care abt your BF, its not ok to be obsessed, nor is it ok to allow someone ( *ahem* aphrodite ) to influence the BF in ur favor..."

Aphrodite is her mother! If my mother could make my relationship better I'd probably ask her to.

[[deleted user]]

but thats not love...unless love is a one-sided affair...which kinda contradicts the whole caring for the other person. i mean, with respect to aphrodite, she can make jason favour piper more, regardless of whether thats his true feelings or not, so basically, she is taking away his choice.

this isn't a parent child relationship, this one where the characters are suppose to be able to make their own choices, piper encouraging her mother means that she does not care about what jason wants, as long as she gets him...

and saying aphrodite is her mother does not justify anything...the gods are not suppose to have favorites...

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "but thats not love...unless love is a one-sided affair...which kinda contradicts the whole caring for the other person. i mean, with respect to aphrodite, she can make jason favour piper more, rega..."

Maybe she's helping all her other children, also.

[[deleted user]]

Leah wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "but thats not love...unless love is a one-sided affair...which kinda contradicts the whole caring for the other person. i mean, with respect to aphrodite, she can make jas..."

that doesn't justify taking jason's choice away, also it makes love look totally worthless, personally i don't think love is, and after deferentiating piper from drew in TLH, i think RR would agree with me & maybe aphrodite as well..who knows

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "Leah wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "but thats not love...unless love is a one-sided affair...which kinda contradicts the whole caring for the other person. i mean, with respect to aphrodite, she..."

Drew. Why does it always go back to Drew? Drew is the anti-Piper. She's weak, disrespectful, and not beautiful on the inside. Piper is amazing.

[[deleted user]]

@Leah

"Maybe she's helping all her other children, also. " thats your post...drew is a child of aphrodite

drew is piper's sibling and because piper is suppose to be anti typical of what drew is, piper will always be compared to drew, esp. since their fatal flaws are the same.

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "@Leah

"Maybe she's helping all her other children, also. " thats your post...drew is a child of aphrodite

drew is piper's sibling and because piper is suppose to be anti typical of what drew is, ..."

What's Piper's fatal flaw?

[[deleted user]]

its the same as drew's IMO thats selfishness, in another person's opinion i have no idea, we won't know for sure unless RR says it. but it is the same as drew's

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "its the same as drew's IMO thats selfishness, in another person's opinion i have no idea, we won't know for sure unless RR says it. but it is the same as drew's"

Why is it the same as Drew's? That makes no sense, if Drew is Piper's opposite.

[[deleted user]]

siblings....fatal flaws are the same for siblings.....

[Leah]

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "siblings....fatal flaws are the same for siblings....."

No they're not! Says who? Bianca said that holding grudges was a 'common' fatal flaw for Hades's children. And if fatal flaws are the same for siblings, why was it such a new thing when Annabeth found out her fatal flaw? Wouldn't she have already knew? She has so many siblings.

[[deleted user]]

am...in sea of mosters annabeth says pride is the fatal flaw for the CHILDREN of athena...they get the fatal flaw from their godly parent, so yeah it doesn't change for each demigod, regardless of wheather you like them or not.

[[deleted user]]

an it was new for annabeth...she told percy flat out pride was the flaw of athena's children

[[deleted user]]

*wasn't*

[Leah]

Then what was the purpose of listening to the harpies

[[deleted user]]

what?

[Rachel]

Harpies?sirens you mean!
Because they say sing the truth about what you desire.they tell you things about yourself that you haven't even realised.thats why annabeth wanted to hear them as she wanted to be wiser not to find out what her fatal flaw was.

[[deleted user]]

oh them...the dinosaur over here agrees with rachel

[Leah]

Well ok, what's Drew's fatal flaw then?

[Ananth]

What gets to me is her relationship with Jason. I'm fine that their dating, but she only likes Jason because he has good looks, not because of his qualities. It's not as good as Percabeth or even Frazel for that matter.

[Ananth]

Leah wrote: "Well ok, what's Drew's fatal flaw then?"
Drew's fatal flaw is vanity.

[[deleted user]]

I just think she's annoying because I don't like Jason for dating her.He was with Reyna first and Piper is in love with because of the mist and she doesn't even know the real him!

[Parker]

I like Piper. You can't harp on her for kissing Jason when she thought they were about to die. She still gave it her all. Annabeth said "I love you" to Percy as they fell into Tartarus. And Annabeth never thinks about Jason or Leo being good looking, etc. In fact, Jason kind of freaks her out. I think people who don't like Piper just want her out because Annabeth and Percy were there before her and Jason, which is irrational, because there is no competition.

[Maria]

I think shes just a sort of bland character, im waiting for a lot of character development. I also don't like herr and jasons relationship. it was basically built on a lie, and shes to obsessive over him, and that's quite annoying

[Ananth]

I think her character would be better if she actually has a weapon which can kill monsters,gods,etc.

[Natalie]

This doesn't reflect my personal opinion! These are just theories as to why people dislike Piper's character.
*Many people believe Piper is hypocritical, because she claims to hate people who judge others based on their appearance and then proceeded to do so multiple times.
*In the Lost Hero, Piper acted like she had "dibs" on Jason, despite her time with him being an illusion of the mist.
*She pissed off fangirls everywhere by basically automatically dismissing every guy on the Argo 2 who wasn't Jason. (Considering Leo to be annoying, acting like Percy was nothing compared to Jason, and generally regarding Frank as a lost puppy with self- esteem issues.)
* Piper wears on people's nerves by centering her entire life around Jason, which is honestly fairly normal teenage girl behavior, but people expect better from one of the seven. (Don't ask me why.)
*Piper was, in essence, a regular old teenage girl, which is completely unexpected when compared to the Annabeths and Hazels of the series, who are all so mature.
*Piper is not skilled with a weapon and totes around a cornucopia, which just seems like a joke.
*Piper can come across as selfish, or just centered around herself and Jason.
*In the middle of the war, Piper thinks mainly about relationship troubles.
*Piper is constantly viewed as just a pretty voice and a prettier face.
*Piper has the least character development of the seven, which sometimes makes her seem to be just there.
*Piper seems to view herself as better than a regular teenage girl, but more natural beauty and a godly mother is the only difference.
*Piper seems to believe that putting a little work into your appearance is a terrible thing to do. Even before Drew proved herself to be evil, Piper disliked her out of jealousy and thought she tried too hard.
*Piper has the least purpose of the seven- not too powerful, not too smart, not too anything.
*Piper resents her own cabin and everything they represent. I don't blame her, but still, after all the more helpful children of Aphrodite did, try to put in a little effort.
*If all of that isn't enough, Piper is often viewed as a Mary Sue.

[Natalie]

>Juliana~The Story Of Amelia Pond wrote: "Piper is too obssesive of Jason. And I don't think she has enough character development."

Exactly.

[Parker]

So no one likes Piper b/c she doesn't drool over Percy. I see. All is clear now.

[[deleted user]]

But Jason woke up being told Piper was his girlfriend and he was kinda dating Reyna before that. And even when he did get his memory back he still dated Piper, so maybe we just don't like Jason and take it out on Piper too.

[Ananth]

I hate how she called Percy "unimpressive" compared to Jason. Say that one more time Piper, and I'll throw you into Chaos, not Tartarus.

[Parker]

She said he "looked" unimpressive, but she never denied his powers. It's not something to get touchy about.

[[deleted user]]

Well, I didn't like piper at first and you have to look at things in her point of view. But, she is a good person,fighter and she has a character development in the house of hades

[Georgia]

My biggest problem with Piper is that she though JASON was better then Percy. Other then that, I think she's great

[Ananth]

I think she needs to suffer some more to prove her worth. Because all the other Seven and Nico have had tough lives. She only stole cars and that's much better than dying and then getting resurrected 70 years later.

[Ananth]

I wish Piper went to Tartarus instead of Percabeth. She has the least use of them all:
Percy - He is the sea expert
Annabeth - She gives people knowledge
Frank - He can turn into animals which helps in animal infested places
Hazel - She can curse people with jewels
Leo - Without him they would be going nowhere
Nico - Can summon dead people to kill monsters
Jason - He can control the air and fight venti
Piper - She talks a lot.