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They're good theories, but keep in mind that there could have been siblings/cousins/etc. that kept the same family name from which the City of Bones characters are descended.
Mockingjayne wrote: "They're good theories, but keep in mind that there could have been siblings/cousins/etc. that kept the same family name from which the City of Bones characters are descended."You're right about that, except in Jem's case. I think Cassie clearly pointed out in the TID books that he's the only Carstairs left. So when she started making TDA, fans went crazy because the leading lady is a Carstairs. I sure hope Jem doesn't die.
Now about Gideon and Sophie. I think they are the ancestors of Alec. But my reason is kinda dense. I mean just because Alec's middle name is Gideon, doesn't mean he's a direct descendant of Gideon. Hahaha! :D
The lack of Branwells in TMI also made me think that Charlotte (and her family) would die in TID. But the Shadowhunter world is big (just like the Wizarding world in Harry Potter) so we can't and should not expect Cassie to keep using the same last names in all her books. (She didn't use Morgenstern in TID, but it doesn't mean that the family name wasn't used then. :D)
I think she just constantly uses Herondale, Lightwood and Carstairs because these are the last names of all her important characters. (Plus! It gives the fans the excitement, and annoyance, of correlating the three series!)
i agree with most of your theories but from what i have heard Jem may have some relations we dont know about so we cannot be sure if Emma Cairstairs is his direct descendant or not.
I like all your theories - they're all definitely possible! :) BUT don't forget Cecily, she may fit in there somewhere - Gabriel may marry her. Or perhaps she may take a similar path to Jocelyn Fairchild, and marry Gabriel, but he gets killed, so she returns to her maiden name. You never know. There are so many different things that could happen.
Ms. Clare mentioned in an extra that Jem had an uncle who asked Jem to come live with him, but by then he was already parabatai with Will.
^^ That's new. Would explain the Carstairs name...
I think it is interesting that Jocelyn is a Fairchild and so was Charlotte before she married Henry so therefore in some distant way Clary is related to Charlotte. I am hoping that Jem ends up with Cecily but I am thinking that Alec gets his black hair and blue eyes and Isabelle her black hair from Cecily. Ooh what if Cecily marries Gideon?!
I think Cecily will be with Gabriel since Gideon and Sophie are already sort of together.
I want to agree but I don't see how Gideon and Sophie can marry since she isn't a shadowhunter. Though I would rather they get married because he makes Sophie happy and she deserves that. If he did marry her he would cease to be a shadowhunter. Unless one of Gideon and Sophies theoretical kids ditched their parents and went to live in the institute therefore continuing that part of the Lightwood line.
aww i hope jem has has children but not with with tessa, she and will should be together and if she cant have children then wills siblings must have kids.
Erin wrote: "I want to agree but I don't see how Gideon and Sophie can marry since she isn't a shadowhunter. Though I would rather they get married because he makes Sophie happy and she deserves that. If he d..."Remember that at this time Ascensions were still allowed, so if she got engaged to him she could be made a Shadowhunter.
Alexandra wrote: "Erin wrote: "I want to agree but I don't see how Gideon and Sophie can marry since she isn't a shadowhunter. Though I would rather they get married because he makes Sophie happy and she deserves t..."That is a very good point.
Ava wrote: "Okay this is my first time starting a topic discussion- so please bear with me, here.I read the Infernal Devices, and have now just finished City of Fallen Angels, and I think I found some clues a..."
Actually, Will doesn't have to have children for there to be Jace. There is still his sister Cecily.
Clary ((a.k.a. Ella)) wrote: "Ava wrote: "Okay this is my first time starting a topic discussion- so please bear with me, here.I read the Infernal Devices, and have now just finished City of Fallen Angels, and I think I found ..."
But if Cecily had kids, then she would be married, and her last name would be changed.
Someone said earlier that something like Jocelyn's situation could happen. Her husband could die, then she changes her name back, and then has her baby.
Ava wrote: "...#4: Jem has to have children. In order for there to be an Emma Carstairs, Jem has to have children. If both Jem and Will have children, then they can't be Brother Zacharia."Jem has an uncle, who also bears Carstairs' name. Emma doesn't have to be Jem's direct descendant. And Jem has been long dying, it is unlikely that he will produce an offspring. Unless there is some strong magic for that purpose...
Jace can only be Will's direct descendant. When Cecily gets married, she will bear her husband's name, as her children do. Even if Cecily is to have a child without being married, the bastards in Victorian era are usually raised under their father's wing and bear their father's name.
Clary ((a.k.a. Ella)) wrote: "Someone said earlier that something like Jocelyn's situation could happen. Her husband could die, then she changes her name back, and then has her baby."That's modern life. Will lived in Victorian era. Women with kids hardly raised their children. The bastards would be raised under their father's house, or by the mother's family, not by the mother herself.
msdivbf wrote: "Jem and Tessa could adopt a orphaned little shadowhunter? I don't know, but it kind of seems plausible. Then it'd take Jem's last name, although he/she wouldn't be directly related to him. Or maybe..."I completely agree with you about Jem and Tessa possibly adopt a male shadowhunter. As everyone was pointing out, a woman would change her last name unless she decides to keep it like Jocelyn did.
I also have a theory about the Carstairs/Herondale family but I do not take it to heart:
I know it was a huge scandal back in Victorian times if a woman had children with two different guys at the same time. But I'm not sure if Tessa would even allow it because she was raised like a lady. If Tessa had a child with Will, that could explain why Clary recognized Tessa at the end CoG.
The other thing is if it's possible that Tessa's blood could save Jem. I know that she's an unique type of warlock but that does not mean her blood might be useless. Since Tessa is a shapeshifter, could she become a complete human or shadowhunter in order to have children?
I don't remember reading/hearing that Jem had an uncle. Can someone tell me where in the books it says that or if Cassie posted something on tumblr.
Cassie posted about the uncle on tumblr
I can't imagine Jem to have any children. Morphine-addict offspring?
Um there not sure Tessa can't have Babies they say warlock can't but she doesn't have marks of a warlock-A
A wrote: "Um there not sure Tessa can't have Babies they say warlock can't but she doesn't have marks of a warlock-A"
Maybe since she is one who doesn't bear the mark, she can get pregnant with a flick of magic.
Nurlely wrote: "Ava wrote: "...#4: Jem has to have children. In order for there to be an Emma Carstairs, Jem has to have children. If both Jem and Will have children, then they can't be Brother Zacharia."Jem has..."
exactly. the jem/tessa having a baby seems silly to me because seeing the circumstances it isnt possible. Also i am pretty sure jace is will's descendant and if jem does end up with tessa, will can always have a kid even though he isnt in love with the girl he has the kid with.
Ava wrote: "Okay this is my first time starting a topic discussion- so please bear with me, here.I read the Infernal Devices, and have now just finished City of Fallen Angels, and I think I found some clues a..."
You must really be paying attention to detail because I never would've picked up on all of that without really thinking about it, also I agree it would be sad if Tessa doesn't end up with Will
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I read the Infernal Devices, and have now just finished City of Fallen Angels, and I think I found some clues as to what happens in Clockwork Princess.
#1: It is mentioned in City of Ashes, that the Herondales manage the London Institute.
That means that the Branwells do not manage it anymore, and maybe at the end of Clockwork Princess, Will does something to have the rights of managing it. Whether that means something happens to the Branwells, I have no idea, but there is no mention of that last name in the Mortal Instruments. But why Will and not Jem??? Does something happen to him? I hope not.
#2: Will has to have children or else there would be no Jace. And (as sad as I am to say this)there is a chance that Tessa cannot have children, which means they might not end up together. They just as well could, but maybe Tessa doesn't end up with Will?? (If that happens I will be so sad).
#3: Gideon and Sophie might get married. I doubt Gabriel will, since he doesn't seem to care for anyone except himself, but a Lightwood brother hasto have children in order for there to be Isabelle and Alec.
#4: Jem has to have children. In order for there to be an Emma Carstairs, Jem has to have children. If both Jem and Will have children, then they can't be Brother Zacharia.
Okay, these are all sorts of conspiracy theories, but all of these facts jumped out at me when I was reading the Mortal Instruments. Please comment and tell me what YOU think will happen in Clockwork Princess!