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If a vampire doesn't use his penis for a century, will it fall off?
Baylor wrote: "Well I think Edward probably used it, you know...alone. But honestly I did always kind of wonder about the whole vamp bodily functions thing. LMAO thanks for posting."Maybe Edward didn't. He had to ask his "brothers" and they did not want to spoil the surprise (book reference).
Does his penis sparkle too?
Andrew wrote: "Does his penis sparkle too?"Some people joked that because he sparkled, his penis sparkled and his semen was glitter.
Jesse wrote: "Cassie wrote: "Because he just doesn't need one. I mean, why would he?I already know that he can't attain erections. I never said, or implied, that he could.
I'm not saying Edward has ED, I'm sa..."
You don't need an erection to have sex. I don't want to be crass or overly graphic....but he can still get it in there...so to speak.
In the case of Edward, I guess he is lucky because he gets to walk around with a perpetual erection forever.
Mocha Spresso wrote: "Jesse wrote: "Cassie wrote: "Because he just doesn't need one. I mean, why would he?I already know that he can't attain erections. I never said, or implied, that he could.
I'm not saying Edward ..."
But I already went through this, how can one have penetrative sex when they are flaccid? It would be slipping out too much because he would be flaccid.
I haven't seen any studies on this and the woman I was talking to-Diane?- didn't explain this to me. Trying to have penetrative sex while the penis is flaccid not only doesn't sound fun, it is extremely awkward. Hypothetically speaking, he'd be spending too much time awkwardly fumbling because he'd be too flaccid to stay inside Bella to get around to either of them having an orgasm.
Jesse wrote: "Andrew wrote: "Does his penis sparkle too?"Some people joked that because he sparkled, his penis sparkled and his semen was glitter."
I bet that comes in handy when he does arts and crafts.
Jesse wrote: "Mocha Spresso wrote: "Jesse wrote: "Cassie wrote: "Because he just doesn't need one. I mean, why would he?I already know that he can't attain erections. I never said, or implied, that he could.
..."
Here we go, I guess I will have to be a bit more crass. Some people, even when flaccid, can still get the job done....so to speak. Some flaccids are actually a little bit harder and sturdier than other flaccids. Catch my drift?
....and his flaccid isn't exactly like the average joe's flaccid. His flaccid is a lot harder and sturdier than the average joe's.
Mocha Spresso wrote: "Here we go, I guess I will have to be a bit more crass. Some people, even when flaccid, can still get the job done....so to speak. Some flaccids are actually a little bit harder and sturdier than other flaccids. Catch my drift?....and his flaccid isn't exactly like the average joe's flaccid. His flaccid is a lot harder and sturdier than the average joe's. "
But HOW would it still be able to get the job done if he's flaccid? Usually, being flaccid means he's not that aroused or he has some type of problem.
Also, you too are saying that he could be hard all the time, half hard at least. 'He doesn't need to have an erection' goes to 'Well he's as hard as stone so he's hard, so does it matter?' Why do people do that? It just leaves me more confused as to why they think penetrative sex could still happen with a flaccid penis. It's silly to say or imply that he's simply at least half mass all the time, even as a joke because then that just doesn't explain to me how it would be possible to have penetrative sex while the guy is flaccid. That just circles back to the original question of how can he have an erection, or be half hard all the time. Did he die and become a vampire with an erection or while half hard? Just because he's harder than stone doesn't mean that he'll be erect or be hard enough to substitute it. He'd be as if someone animated the David.
Have you ever had sex while the guy was flaccid? Was it satisfactory? Why do people think that having a flabby, flaccid penis inside them would not only not be awkward but pleasurable?
Jesse wrote: "Mocha Spresso wrote: "Here we go, I guess I will have to be a bit more crass. Some people, even when flaccid, can still get the job done....so to speak. Some flaccids are actually a little bit hard..."I don't want to be too explicit because kids read this forum, but it's hard to do but not altogether impossible and I never said anything about it being pleasurable.
Plus some men don't always go completely flaccid. Perhaps he was one of those types. Some men are able to maintain enough "stiffness" to have sex for long periods of time even though they aren't fully erect. Perhaps flaccid is not actually the correct term for the instances that I am thinking of here. Varying degrees of semi-erect?
Mocha Spresso wrote: "I don't want to be too explicit because kids read this forum, but it's hard to do but not altogether impossible and I never said anything about it being pleasurable.Plus some men don't always go completely flaccid. Perhaps he was one of those types. Some men are able to maintain enough "stiffness" to have sex for long periods of time even though they aren't fully erect. Perhaps flaccid is not actually the correct term for the instances that I am thinking of here. Varying degrees of semi-erect? "
It's highly improbable that a guy who can't get it up would try to have penetrative sex with someone.
It's still improbable that he'd be any degree of semi erect, what with him being the type of vampire that can't have erections.
Come on! Have fun! Dont be soooo deep. Its okay to have some shallowness fun!
Jesse wrote: "Andrew wrote: "Does his penis sparkle too?"
Some people joked that because he sparkled, his penis sparkled and his semen was glitter."
Well yea everything sparkles lol *funny*
Some people joked that because he sparkled, his penis sparkled and his semen was glitter."
Well yea everything sparkles lol *funny*
Srinivas wrote: "This is one hell of a hilarious topic!
I have no idea whatsoever, but like the way people are actually arguing in this debate.
On similar lines i have always wondered that what would happen 'If a v..."
Hmmm....yea dude that's a good question. Like wat would vamp venom do there?????
I have no idea whatsoever, but like the way people are actually arguing in this debate.
On similar lines i have always wondered that what would happen 'If a v..."
Hmmm....yea dude that's a good question. Like wat would vamp venom do there?????
Jeni wrote: "Jesse wrote: "But that would mean that he's hard all the time."
That would explain the pained expression on his face for four movies."
Oh...yep I suspected as much...
That would explain the pained expression on his face for four movies."
Oh...yep I suspected as much...
Amber wrote: "Come on! Have fun! Dont be soooo deep.
Its okay to have some shallowness fun!"
Yea greatest topic ever!!:)
Its okay to have some shallowness fun!"
Yea greatest topic ever!!:)
....wtf...honestly we have to tlk about this
Isabella wrote: "....wtf...honestly we have to tlk about this"If you don't want to you are of course free to ignore this thread.
Isabella wrote: "....wtf...honestly we have to tlk about this"
I'd say it's more of a conscious decision to delve into the real in depth questions about Vampirism. But you don't HAVE to
I'd say it's more of a conscious decision to delve into the real in depth questions about Vampirism. But you don't HAVE to
I've heard that Durex has a line of garlic lubricated condoms, just for vampire sperm.They sparkle.
Nuran wrote: "Penetrative sex is when a penis enters a vagina, it doesn't have to be erect." Yeah, this is the third time I've heard this, you wanna try explaining why? Who would want to have penetrative sex when the guy is flaccid? Don't mind the copy paste, but this really wasn't a rhetorical question. Why do people think that having a flabby, flaccid penis inside them would not only not be awkward but pleasurable? Why do people think that if the man is flaccid, that the two people would still go on with trying to have penetrative sex?
Nuran wrote: "And just because a penis is flaccid, it doesn't mean it disappears into the man, some flaccid penis still have significant length to stuff inside a vagina. Key word here, is “stuff”, they wouldn’t be able to do the thrusting but they can use their fingers to “stuff” the penis in and out of the vagina. "
I never even implied that the penis would go inside the guy if he were flaccid, that's silly. I would like you to refer to the question I asked up there though.
Nuran wrote: "Some people will try to stuff a flaccid penis in a vagina in the hope it might stir some response from the penis."
And when no response comes forth, it's just awkward and embarrassing. None of this refers to the question presented; Why doesn't there need to be an erect penis for penetrative sex? Better yet, why would you have penetrative sex with a guy who is flaccid and cannot get hard? And if you wouldn't, why do you think someone else would want to?
Nuran wrote: "A flaccid penis can still release some sperm, though it’ll probably only be a drop or two, nothing like a stream if it was erect and working properly. You can still get pregnant on a drop or two, but the chance of that is very low. "
I'm already aware of this.
Nuran wrote: "But Edward probably had super vampire sperm that can survie the harsh environment of a woman’s vagina."
The problem here is that Edward has no sperm. He is 100% percent venom. Venom is poisonous and no way in any realm of fiction can it successfully carry DNA like sperm can, nor can venom impregnate a woman. Not only that, but if Edward did have sperm it wouldn't survive in his body because he's too cold. On top of that one, if Edward DID have sperm, it would be human sperm, not vampire sperm.
Nuran wrote: "As for the pleasurable aspect, people that have sex with a flaccid penis, it is more an issue about intimacy or pregnancy, not pleasure. It sucks but it’ll be the most intimate thing they can do to show their love. "
As far have I've read on this subject, men who can't get it up don't try to have penetrative sex and go about having sex other ways. I've yet to see something that says that guys would still try to do it. I highly doubt it would happen.
In my "experience" vampires' penises function even after a few centuries of celibate and complete disregard of the nether regions. However, this does not include a lack of erection, only blatant disregard of it. So, I'm inclined to agree with Jeni and Jesse. Hard all the time. Explains his pathos and his perpetually pained facial expression.For some time I'd been more inclined to attribute it to centuries of constipation...
Wow... This is a really long discussion you have here. But, if you really want to know, I think I read an interview of Miss SM wherein she answered a similar question. I can't remember where I read it, nor the details about the interview but what I remember is that, Stephenie Meyer said that it's not the blood that causes a vampire to have an erection but the fluid that also enables them to roll their eyes or something like that. Not so sure here, but I'll make sure to post the interview if I ever manage to find it again, XD
LOL funny thing is that SM wrote a series of books on the topic of vampires, and yet I fail to see her as an expert on the subject :-))Or on the subject of sex.
Weird, isn't it?
Lyra wrote: "Wow... This is a really long discussion you have here. But, if you really want to know, I think I read an interview of Miss SM wherein she answered a similar question. I can't remember where I read..."Vampires and pregnancy: when did that idea occur to you? How does that work?
The first seed (no pun intended) was planted when I did Bella's computer research in chapter seven of Twilight. Bella reads about several real vampire legends—the Danag, Estrie, Upier, etc. In the novel, I only mentioned a few of the many legends I read through. One that I didn't mention at this point was the entry on the Incubus. The unique feature about that legend was that the incubus could father children. Hmmm, I said, and I filed that kernel of an idea away for later. When I decided to write the first sequel to Twilight (Forever Dawn), I knew it was going to revolve around a hybrid baby from the outset.
When my editor and I decided to go back and really develop Bella's last year of high school, I did so with the knowledge that it was all going to end up with the events in Breaking Dawn. Everything I wrote was pointed in that direction.
I was always very careful when I answered the "Can vampires have babies?" question, because I didn't want to say anything incorrect, but I also didn't want to make the future super-obvious. I focused my answers on the female half of the equation—female vampires cannot have children because their bodies no longer change in any aspect. There is no changing cycle to begin with, and their bodies couldn't expand to fit a growing child, either. I purposely evaded answering the question, "Can a male vampire get a human female pregnant?" to preserve a tiny bit of surprise in the last book. There were many statements on this subject purported to have come from me, but I never made those comments because, obviously, I knew where this was going.
Now, on to the "how is this possible?" question. First of all, of course it's not possible. None of this story is possible. It's a fantasy story about creatures that don't actually exist. Within the context of the fantasy, however, this is how it works:
Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don't produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire's eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don't exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin—which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function—fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham's personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it's nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.
I didn't get into all of these details at my signings because it's a long, complicated mouthful. Also, it's hard to be clearly heard with all the screaming. Mostly, though, I waited to do this in writing because I have an immature, Homer Simpson-like tendency to giggle when I say the words "seminal fluids" in public.
HERE IT IS!!! XD
Zoran wrote: "LOL funny thing is that SM wrote a series of books on the topic of vampires, and yet I fail to see her as an expert on the subject :-))Or on the subject of sex.
Weird, isn't it?"
She said that the only time she researched about vampires was when Bella researched about them because she wanted them to be from her imagination alone and she doesn't want to know how many rules she's breaking by doing that. So, yeah... she's really not an expert.
And about the sex thing...
Yeah. Weird. HAHA. XD
Nuran wrote: "You didn’t have to imply it, what you wrote just made it seem like you don’t understand anything about sex or the penis."So because no one seems able to give me a good explanation of how or why penetrative sex would work when the man is flaccid, you think I don't understand sex or how a penis works? Wow, thanks for the insult.
Nuran wrote: "I refer you to the end of my previous post (are you even reading these posts properly, makes me think you’re being a troll?) - "
I am reading your posts. Why would I be trolling? Why say that, are you getting irritated? Nevertheless, the end of your previous posts says:
"As for the pleasurable aspect, people that have sex with a flaccid penis, it is more an issue about intimacy or pregnancy, not pleasure. It sucks but it’ll be the most intimate thing they can do to show their love. "
To which I said:
"As far have I've read on this subject, men who can't get it up don't try to have penetrative sex and go about having sex other ways. I've yet to see something that says that guys would still try to do it. I highly doubt it would happen. "
So, what's the problem that I'm not seeing?
Nuran wrote: "People still want to have sex for intimate reasons not pleasurable reason or the y want to get pregnant. Just because the guy can’t get it up, doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to feel inside the woman with his penis. And you try in th hope that it does become hard. "
But this still doesn't explain why you feel that a flaccid penis can still work when it comes to penetrative sex. I have read not one thing that helps me understand how it'd be possible without just giving up because it wasn't working, and no one has really said how, they just keep saying that it can.
Nuran wrote: "Then you need to become friend with guys, speak to guys, get into their heads, some of the crap guys come up with will surely shock you. The internet is not the only source of knowledge. Or watch documentaries where the guy talks about this stuff and personal feeling. "
Why assume I'm not friends with guys or know nothing of how guys work? Oh yes, because you don't think I know how sex goes. Right. Makes sense. Not really.
On a serious note, if you have documentaries where a guy explains why he'd still go for penetrative sex with his penis when he cannot get it up, then I'd gladly watch them. Links?
Nuran wrote: "And luckily, the world doesn’t revolve around what you think and don’t think would happen. It unlikely, and it’s difficult, but some people miss the inimate touch of their penis touching a vagina, they miss the warmth and feeling close to the person, that they’ll make do with anything. They may only stick it in there just to touch the inside with their penis and not do much else. Ff course, most people don’t bother because they’re depressed about the situation but some of the more hopeful, cheery one with understanding partners will do this. "
As you said to me, the world 'doesn’t revolve around what you think and don’t think would happen.' What you're saying here is speculation. How would you know, are you a guy who's been through this or been with a guy to experience what you're saying? Have you heard some guy say it? No? Neither have I.
Nuran wrote: "You need to take yourself out of the equation and try to think from other people’s pov, if you want to try and figure out why others would try to do this."
Except I was never in the equation to begin with.
Nuran wrote: "He’s a vampire, he shouldn’t exist in the first place, so just pretend he does have sperm. "
So we're going to go along the lines of 'It's fictional, it doesn't matter.' That really does sound like a cop out. Tell you what, I'll start pretending that he does have sperm when Meyer stops trying in vain to explain things with science.
Nuran wrote: " And snakes can still have sex without poisoning their mate, nowhere in the book does it say his venom is in his pants."
Except snakes have sperm and aren't made up of venom when it comes to fluid. Edward has no other liquid substance but venom in his body. He has venom in his mouth, he has venom in his veins, he has it in his eye sockets, it's everywhere including in his testes.
Nuran wrote: " And who knows how the vampire “virus” works"
Except Meyer explained it.
Nuran wrote: "it could have altered his dna, or the virus infected the sperm, and the sperm is a carrier and made vampire sperm. Otherwise reneseme would be fully human if Edward’s sperm was human. "
I don't think he'd be a vampire if his DNA wasn't altered. The way it's explained, it takes over all the cells in the body and changes them, making them human cells no more. This does include the sperm which then becomes venom. Venom, no matter what Meyer says, still can't carry DNA. Not even in fantasy can I believe that it can carry DNA and thus impregnate people. Like, if the venom is what transforms them, then why give it another ability that cancels out transforming people? If the venom transforms people, it can't also act as sperm. How is it determined when some venom can impregnate a woman when all the venom is generally the same? Does that mean that it just depends on where it comes from? Does that mean that the venom from his mouth can impregnate women? So many questions.
Jesse wrote: "It's silly to say or imply that he's simply at least half mass all the time, even as a joke because then that just doesn't explain to me how it would be possible to have penetrative sex while the guy is flaccid. That just circles back to the original question of how can he have an erection, or be half hard all the time. Did he die and become a vampire with an erection or while half hard?..."I don't really know why you're using "hard" and "erect" interchangeable. I haven't been using "hard" as a sexual term. Hard means "Solid, firm, and resistant to pressure; not easily broken or pierced", it really has nothing to do with erections.
He can have hard flesh and still be... down.
And you keep using the word "flabby". Do you know what "flabby" means?
Flabby means "Soft, loose, and fleshy"
since when has any part of Edward been soft, loose, and fleshy? The most fleshy part of Edward's body would still be as hard as stone.
Cassie wrote: "I don't really know why you're using "hard" and "erect" interchangeable. I haven't been using "hard" as a sexual term. Hard means "Solid, firm, and resistant to pressure; not easily broken or pierced", it really has nothing to do with erections.He can have hard flesh and still be... down.
And you keep using the word "flabby". Do you know what "flabby" means?
Flabby means "Soft, loose, and fleshy"
since when has any part of Edward been soft, loose, and fleshy? The most fleshy part of Edward's body would still be as hard as stone. "
Because I'm using hard as a sexual term. I know that he can be hard and still be down, I in fact said this a page ago.
I actually only used flabby once and I only used it because-and I said it- I couldn't think of a different term to use. Flaccid didn't come to mind until after the post. What I don't understand is why you're splitting hairs over the definition of these words and not responding to the post you replied to. None of this word analysis is really relevant, not to me at least.
Jesse wrote: "Because I'm using hard as a sexual term. I know that he can be hard and still be down, I in fact said this a page ago.I actually only used flabby once and I only used it because-and I said it- I couldn't think of a different term to use. Flaccid didn't come to mind until after the post. What I don't understand is why you're splitting hairs over the definition of these words and not responding to the post you replied to. None of this word analysis is really relevant, not to me at least. ..."
Okay, my mistake, i thought I saw the word "flabby" again.
I am providing definitions to make it clear what I am saying, not to tell you what YOU are saying.
I am not using "hard" as a sexual term and that's the point I was trying to pass.
If i want to say erection, I'll go ahead and say erection, I'm not into sex slang.
So when I say "hard", I mean "hard", not "erect".
When I say he's hard all the time, I'm not saying he's erect all the time, which is what you seem to be getting out of my comments. All I'm saying is that his entire body is hard all the time, including his penis. I really have no idea why people seem to believe his penis is the one exception to the hardness of his body.
So, i didn't actually want to say this because it's weird, but just think of it as a female sex toy attached to his body. Those don't have any blood flow either, but they somehow exist.And they're not slippery or lose or anything, and they apparently seem to work for a lot of people.
you can point them down, up, or wherever.
Edward's flesh is hard. The device is hard, and some of them seem kind of wobbly and flexible.
There's not much of a difference between them.
Cassie wrote: "So, i didn't actually want to say this because it's weird, but just think of it as a female sex toy attached to his body. Those don't have any blood flow either, but they somehow exist.And they're not slippery or lose or anything, and they apparently seem to work for a lot of people.
you can point them down, up, or wherever.
Edward's flesh is hard. The device is hard, and some of them seem kind of wobbly and flexible.
There's not much of a difference between them. "
But all those sex toys you're talking about are erect where he is not. At least, I hope we're talking about the same thing.
But to say that just because he's hard that he's hard everywhere doesn't really make sense because then he'd be walking around erect all the time. Which isn't likely. I had said this before and I want to use it again because I like how it sounds, but I think Meyer's vampires are really like animating the David.
Jesse wrote: "But to say that just because he's hard that he's hard everywhere doesn't really make sense because then he'd be walking around erect all the time. ..."No because hard=/=erection.
Again, when I use the word "hard", I mean "Solid, firm, and resistant to pressure; not easily broken or pierced"
but I think Meyer's vampires are really like animating the David.
Well, if you think animating David would cause him to lose all his firmness, making him smooshy and soft and collapsing everywhere, then you're 100% correct.
Amber wrote: "He drinks blood. It has to go somewhere right? I read a series where the vamps couldnt get hard ons till they drank. vamps shouldnt be able to get a hard on till blood is in their system.Steph. m..."
AHA what book were you reading AHA :D
I think that it's not "hard" in the sexual way, but it's "hard" in the vampire way-so it would be eas for him to have sex with Bella, and maybe even other vampires.
Cassie wrote: "No because hard=/=erection.Again, when I use the word "hard", I mean "Solid, firm, and resistant to pressure; not easily broken or pierced"
We're using it in different ways. When I say hard and I'm talking about his penis, I mean erect. I'm not using it the way you are in a general, factual way, I said this already.
Cassie wrote: "Well, if you think animating David would cause him to lose all his firmness, making him smooshy and soft and collapsing everywhere, then you're 100% correct."
When I say animate, I actually do mean animate. If David were to be animated then he'd be a walking talking statue, not animate him as if to make him a real human.
Jesse wrote: "Nuran wrote: "You didn’t have to imply it, what you wrote just made it seem like you don’t understand anything about sex or the penis."So because no one seems able to give me a good explanation o..."
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Or this link if dummies is too low brow for you - http://www.healthcentral.com/erectile...
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As for the documentary it's a uk channel 4 or 5 show, it's where I got the term 'stuff' from.
As for the fiction thing, it is not because it's fiction that I don't think it shouldn't be questioned, but because he's a sparkly, stoney vampire, it kinda makes everything else seem kind of redundant after that, nit picking just seems kind of silly. This is a silly thread and most of the answers have been in fun.
As for the venom is his sperm, please show me a link to proof that shows he has venom in his seed? It was never mentioned in the book, the venom is in his teeth/saliva, otherwise the wolves would be dying after chomping down on vampire flesh since the venom kills them and doesn't turn them. Bella during her transformation felt the venom receeding and disappearing during her transformation.
As for the you saying don't put yourself into the equation, you do, because you couldn't imagine it, so it doesn't happen in your eyes, when clearly I've just given you proof.
Nuran wrote: "I feel this site link is appropriate for you, clearly you have difficulties understanding the concept - http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content...Or this link if dummies is too low brow for you - http://www.healthcentral.com/erectile...
Or this one, it's halfway down - http://www.uwhealth.org/healthfacts/B...
Just type in stuffing technique erectile dysfunction for more sites."
Well then, it's nice that someone actually tells me something instead of repeatedly saying that it is possible without telling me how. So he uses the stuffing technique, how would he get engorged? In Lyra's post at the top of the page, it has Meyer explaining this topic in a similar fashion, but I don't see where it says that he can become engorged.
Nuran wrote: " As for the documentary it's a uk channel 4 or 5 show, it's where I got the term 'stuff' from.
As for the fiction thing, it is not because it's fiction that I don't think it shouldn't be questioned, but because he's a sparkly, stoney vampire, it kinda makes everything else seem kind of redundant after that, nit picking just seems kind of silly. This is a silly thread and most of the answers have been in fun."
Except the only UK channel I get is BBC, how would I to have known?
Of course most of the answers have been in fun. That's the whole point. We all know that what we are talking about has happened anyway, the whole point is the nit picking. I think that's the whole point of discussions when it comes to this series. However, I think that just because it including supernatural creatures doesn't negate the fact that things still need to make sense. Meyer's fail!science just leaves me with more questions.
Nuran wrote: "As for the venom is his sperm, please show me a link to proof that shows he has venom in his seed? It was never mentioned in the book, the venom is in his teeth/saliva, otherwise the wolves would be dying after chomping down on vampire flesh since the venom kills them and doesn't turn them. Bella during her transformation felt the venom receeding and disappearing during her transformation.
As for the you saying don't put yourself into the equation, you do, because you couldn't imagine it, so it doesn't happen in your eyes, when clearly I've just given you proof. "
In Lyra's post, Meyer explains that after their spit venom, every other liquid in their body is a variation of venom with a special property, which makes no sense to me. It still doesn't tell me how Meyer thinks it's possible for venom to carry DNA, no matter what subcategory it is.
I'm not in this 'equation' simply because I couldn't see it happening. As I said, I was never part of the equation. The people who I've talked to before simply couldn't prove it to me.
Exactly, you've just given me proof. It's not as if I'm still saying anything otherwise after you've done it. All I've been doing since I started posting in this thread was ask for clarifications, explanations and no one but you have made any real attempt. I've always been open to changing my mind on this subject or any other relating to this series, I just need to be swayed.
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Hmm I didn't read lyra post properly, I just generally go by the information in the book, not what comes after it, as I think that's a bit cheating. It seems while trying to come up with explanation, she's contradicting her book. The wolves would have been poisoned if the venom was everywhere. Also, just realised the venom can't be in the saliva or kissing would have turned bella. Another contradiction. She's contradicting herself and this is why I prefer to just base answers on information in the book.
As for the engorge part, well if he does suffer from erectile dysfunction then it's bella's job to tighten her vagina's wall around the penis so they don't have to worry about the engorge part.....Clamp on and off to stimulate some reaction...there are exercise for the vagina wall to tighten it. I know a friend of a friend who tried to tighten her vagina's wall, so she could clamp down because her bf's penis at the time was the size of her thumb and she didn't feel much.....
ForeverAquarius wrote: "I cant be bothered reading all the comments so:The hell made you wonder about that? xD"
LOL! That made me laugh so hard. XD
No blood flow means no erection. I actually, kind of awkwardly, talked to my dad about this and he was like "How can he even get it up when he's dead. He doesn't have circulating blood!" and "How can he even impregnate her when he is dead? The sperm left in his body when he was turned would have long been dead and he would be unable to produce anymore because he's DEAD."
willful suspension of disbelief.
If anyone could accurately state WHY engorgement is necessary, and why it's 100% impossible to have sex without engorgement (despite the real life fact that it's been done before) it would be a lot easier to respond to. As for the venom... just because venom exists, that doesn't mean it's i.fectious or poisonous.
There are spiders, snakes, and other animals that have non poisonous venom in their bodies, it's not impossible.
As for the kissing, it was said somewhere that they had to be really careful, and that Bella could only be infected from kissing if she had an open cut in her mouth, plus, the tiny bit of venom that entered into her system wouldn't be enough to change her.
As for the word "hard"...Again, when I use the word "hard" I am not talking about erections, so don"t interpret it as that. It doesn't matter how anyone else it using it, I'm still not using it that way.
When I say "hard", I mean "hard". Not "erection". Okay? It's simple.
The argument that vampires cannot get a hard-on because they're dead is not really valid. They shoildn't be able to walk and talk. And if there was no circulation their limbs would shribel and fall off, so...
nicoll wrote: "The argument that vampires cannot get a hard-on because they're dead is not really valid. They shoildn't be able to walk and talk. And if there was no circulation their limbs would shribel and fall..."There is this idea that vampires drink blood, and then they use this blood to maintain the bodily functions they need at that moment. So, if they need to move, their limbs get the blood.
But, on the other hand, if they don't need an erection for a prolonged period of time...
If a he-vampire doesn'need an erection for a century or so, does he really need a penis?
I don't think that he does. And about female vampires... oh, I MUST open a new discussion for that :-))
Peace wrote: "do somone really need to reopen another discuussion about femals vamps?"It's opened, but on another book:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...
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I have no idea whatsoever, but like the way people are actually arguing in this debate.
On similar lines i have always wondered that what would happen 'If a v..."
I think they would just be biting decayed flesh. Zombies and Vampires are distantly related because of their similarities so I don't think a vampire bite would do anything to the zombie.