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I think he will find a way out of the position but Mab going down would surprise me. I think harry will find a way to put her in a no win situation, a situation where only a friend of his can save her but they will only do it if she sets him free.
Cjpines wrote: "I think he will find a way out of the position but Mab going down would surprise me. I think harry will find a way to put her in a no win situation, a situation where only a friend of his can sav..."
I think your scenario seems more likely. Mab is way too strong for Harry to take down by himself or even if he has friends.
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I think harry will find a way to put her in a no win situation, a situation where only a friend of his can sav..."
I think this is a likely scenario for Harry going against Mab. I also think that there will be no win situations for the both of them as well.
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I just think it would make sense that he makes a deal to get Mavae upped to queen with the help of Lea and maybe the Mothers to get out of his winter knight deal.
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Who is strong enough to take Mob on & win? Maybe Harry will be freed by her death, if he has nothing to do with it.
Summer and winter should fight to a stand still when all other factors are equal...so all you need is someone to help the summer court.
Yeh Harry would get flattened if he tried to fight Mab, the only likely way for him to win free will be through outsmarting her, Though maybe if Harry tapped Demonreach's full power he could manage a 1 on 1 fight with just about anyone, but hes been warned not to do so hasn't he, by Rashid
I would love to see the Winter Mother turn against Mab because she is going crazy and jeopardizing Winter, which also upsets the natural balance between her and the Summer Mother. I think the Mothers are the only way Harry gets out of it.
I am not sure Lea and even other winter nobles together would be able to take Mab out...
Yeah, I don't think the fighting Mab idea is gonna work out too good. And honestly I don't think she'll use him against his friends, I'm pretty sure they aren't powerful enough to show up on her radar.I do think this is going to have something to do with how mad Mab has been for the past few books. I think she was holding out for Dresden, because she had a particularly hard problem for the winter knight to take care of. Also remember she really pushed things by keeping Dresden alive, she needs him for something big.
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All depends on how crazy she is and how much of a threat she is to the balance. And its just a thought. Anyone else have a anything they want to try out.
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Darkcain11 wrote: "Chapter one is out and it is awesome. Mab should have been a physical therapist"I agree, I just read it. Pretty awesome so far!
Just pre-ordered Cold Days! YAYYYYY! (Waves arms wildly like Grover.)
Anyone else getting the signed version???
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Im thinking about getting the signed book, but then im going to have to wait longer for it.... although i wish i was getting it signed when he comes to LA but i cant go :(
Any ideas why Demonreach would cooperate with Mab in saving Harry. I understand Mab not wanting to lose her Winter Night but what did Demonreach gain from cooperating with Mab?
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Angie ~aka Reading Machine~ wrote: "Probably because Harry and Demonreach share a bond is the only reason I can think of. Otherwise I don't think Demonreach would help Mab."Yeh Id second what Angie said, Demonreach helped due to his connection to Harry via the sanctuary invocation.
Hopefully, Cold Days will elaborate on the connection between Demonreach and Mab.
It would be interesting to find out what the prophecy about harry is and how it relates to what is going on.
Darkcain11 wrote: "Mab's been off her rocker for awhile now. Maybe the Winter lady feels winter needs new leadership? I just think it would make sense that he makes a deal to get Mavae upped to queen with the help ..."
I actually got the sense that Mab was better now and was only pushed into madness in the first place because of the dagger. A major clue that supports this theory is how Uriel worked together with her(I don't think he would have done that unless she was okay again).
I don't think Mab was ever "mad" she was angry, all her moves were planned out, even harry attacking her stronghold had Mabs intentions written all over it, it was Harry's godmother, who was driven mad by the Knife.
I.D. wrote: "Mab referred to Harry as Demonreach's custodian so loyalty is in there somewhere. But as Eternal Silence, Demonreach hinted that Harry's survival is linked to everyone's survival. He (D) knows some..."You are definitely onto something there, I.D. I would hope Jim will go into greater depth about the origins of demonreach and how it fits into the web of relationships between the most powerful characters in the series. The fact that Mab needed its help says alot doesn't it?
Richard wrote: "I don't think Mab was ever "mad" she was angry, all her moves were planned out, even harry attacking her stronghold had Mabs intentions written all over it, it was Harry's godmother, who was driven..."Don't forget, Richard, that when Harry and Co. stormed winters heart, there had been a massive attack already. WE never really did learn who had been behind that one as I recall. Is that right?
Anybody dispute this?
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You make very excellent points about the attack Winter's Heart. I think we're going to find those answers in Cold Days.
Affably wrote: "Darkcain11 wrote: "Mab's been off her rocker for awhile now. Maybe the Winter lady feels winter needs new leadership? I just think it would make sense that he makes a deal to get Mavae upped to q..."
I seriously doubt Dresden can do a double deal like that at this point for two reasons:
1-in Ghost story at the end Dresden PROMISED Mab he would be her devoted Knight, the greatest she has ever had, but that he would do it HIS way, else Mab can turn him into another mindless, and worthless, thug who is therefore mediocre. in a nutshell, he promised her he would do the job to the best of his ability. HE tries to doublecross her after that, he could lose all his power or worse.
2-The way the situation is set up with the Courts of Faerie is such that I believe only the manipulations of one of the other Queens can undo Mab in any permanent way. She is literally a force of nature and as such may be prepared against, possibly survived, but never more than delayed, and never ever stopped.
whooo! I can't wait till the next book comes out. this time I'll take my time because I read Ghost story so quick, I had to read it again a month later!
Alfred wrote: "Richard wrote: "I don't think Mab was ever "mad" she was angry, all her moves were planned out, even harry attacking her stronghold had Mabs intentions written all over it, it was Harry's godmother..."Mab tells Harry in Small Favor that it was (view spoiler)
Just read the 4th chapter of Cold Days on the website, loved it. Can't wait till I read the rest of the book.
Also, him getting out of his position as winter knight in the first book he actually has to assume that role would be much too premature for my tastes. I also think the moral implications might be less then what we might expect especially given how little damage Fix has taken to his morale since assuming the position of a fae knight.
Just read Chapter four of Cold Days on Butcher's site. Looking forward to the 27th when I can read the rest of it!
Affably wrote: "Also, him getting out of his position as winter knight in the first book he actually has to assume that role would be much too premature for my tastes. I also think the moral implications might be ..."But also remember Fix is from Summer and it seems Winter is a lot harsher than Summer. We will just have to see what happens.
Anyone in Southern California going to the book signing in Rodondo Beach next week?
Adria wrote: "Affably wrote: "Also, him getting out of his position as winter knight in the first book he actually has to assume that role would be much too premature for my tastes. I also think the moral implic..."Winter might be harsher but Summer is just as ruthless, simply in different ways. You can't forget that Titania had no problems sending assassins after Harry. Hell Fix has probably already been used as an assassin himself, I do however doubt that the courts would resort to using their knights unless it was absolutely necessary seeing as how the knights are their equivalent of a tactical nuke.
A couple of hours until the 27th, anyone know what time tomorrow the book will be released?
Sorry if someone else already posted this theory and I scrolled past it. I think somehow Mab will be overthrown and Lea will become the Winter Queen. When she does Harry will automatically become hers because he's the Winter Knight but Lea will release him from the mantel because she the chase would be over if she didn't and he can never be turned into one of her hounds.
Ron wrote: "Sorry if someone else already posted this theory and I scrolled past it. I think somehow Mab will be overthrown and Lea will become the Winter Queen. When she does Harry will automatically become h..."I was thinking about the same but that he simply cuts a deal with her for his help in the overthrow. Ending in him being let go and her telling him she isn't through with him yet.
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I'd not thought of that myself interesting theory.
IT'S HERE! iTunes just told me my preorder is available. Gotta go start reading!
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Got mine too! So eager, jumping right in. Happy "Cold Days" everyone! :D
Got to read everything after turncoat before I can read it. Brilliant got 3 harrybooks to read. Off to spend money.
I was spending the morning with a nice cup of coffee and cold days. Yum to both.
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jealous...mine is being shipped to me....
