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Banking Voting Power Points: The Rules
Quick question. When I look at the spreadsheet, I see a 6 next to my name. I assume this means the points that I have, not the amount of votes that I have...correct? Will there be another column for votes earned or just point totals?
Stefani wrote: "Quick question. When I look at the spreadsheet, I see a 6 next to my name. I assume this means the points that I have, not the amount of votes that I have...correct? Will there be another column..."Yes. When last I looked we still need to add in The Rook and then Alice in Wonderland. You have actually 9 if I looked correctly. I'm missing. Lisa Kay set the spreadsheet up. We'll get them updated before anyone needs to use them.
I like it. I would love to see some sort of points added for participating in the polls (by nominating or voting) to get people more involved in that process as well.
Stefani wrote: "Will there be another column for votes earned or just point totals?"My first response was to say, "Just divide by 10." Then I thought about it, and I can see this will be needed after people start using their votes.
Jex wrote: "I like it. I would love to see some sort of points added for participating in the polls (by nominating or voting) to get people more involved in that process as well."Sounds good. Let's get this off the ground first.
My first Google Spreadsheet! (Created by me, that is.) Nothing fancy yet. I've got to get the hang of it.
Doubt: If you use a power vote how many equivalent normal votes are you casting. How will we let you know when we are using the power vote?
Lisa Kay wrote: "My first Google Spreadsheet! (Created by me, that is.) Nothing fancy yet. I've got to get the hang of it."Kudos to you. I never tried Google spreadsheet I'm more an excel girl.
It doesn't need to be fancy, but functional and readable. :o)
Btw, if you break the points by book it probably will be a little confusing after a few books...
The ideal would be a column with ppp won, ppp total, pov available (If you wanted to be thorough then you could break this one into pov earned, pov spent, pov available, but that could be complicating things - sorry, sometimes I get excited with the ideas)
I can't picture the breaking into books here, but it is needed so everyone could track ppp earnings... my damned biased inner chip'n'dale are screaming "pivot table", "pivot table" - don't worry, I told them to be quiet :o)
Maybe transforming the books into column titles?
Like this
Sorry, I got a little bit carried away *blushes*
I think we need the book breakdown to see when votes expire. They can only be accrued for 6 months before you must use them or lose them. I'm guessing once we get people with enough PPPs to equal votes we'll add another column. Am I right in this Lisa Kay?
Parvathy wrote: "Doubt: If you use a power vote how many equivalent normal votes are you casting. How will we let you know when we are using the power vote?"10 Participation Power Points equal 1 vote. I thought Lisa added in there that you will email our moderator account to let us know you wish to cash in your votes. One power vote equals 1 regular vote.
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Lisarenee wrote: "I think we need the book breakdown to see when votes expire. They can only be accrued for 6 months before you must use them or lose them. I'm guessing once we get people with enough PPPs to equal v..."True, I was just suggesting that instead of breaking into row sections, we could have the book breakdown into columns... that way you could have a total points column that automatically summed the points from the book columns... as I did in the example... I just thought it was easier to read that way... but I have a tendency to complicate things while thinking how to do them :o)
Sonia wrote: "Lisarenee wrote: "I think we need the book breakdown to see when votes expire. They can only be accrued for 6 months before you must use them or lose them. I'm guessing once we get people with enou..."Ahh, I see what you mean. That does look nice.
Thanks.Since the points are only valid for 6 months... that way you only have to highlight the "to be lost" column (using a diferent column maybe) and by the end of the month, delete it, and then the remaining points are automatically recalculated...
Parvathy wrote: "Doubt: If you use a power vote how many equivalent normal votes are you casting. How will we let you know when we are using the power vote?"Parvathy, you are still entitled to your regular voting rights with each poll. See point #4 about PM (Personal Messaging) us when cashing in your points/votes.
Sonia wrote: "I'm more an excel girl...."Ditto!
Looks good, Sonia! I'll have to play with it.
Post #10 Lisarenee wrote: "Am I right in this Lisa Kay?"Yup.
Lisa Kay wrote: "Looks good, Sonia! I'll have to play with it."thanks. I've always enjoyed playing with tables and data ...and I was bored at work :)
Participation Power Points:Participant DS&B TTR ROOK ALICE Total Votes
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Mary 6 12 18 1
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Katie 3 3 0
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Stefani 9 11 10 30 3
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Regina 1 1 2 0
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Bianca 7 7 0
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Amy 1 1 0
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Kim L. 1 1 2 0
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Parvathy 11 11 1
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Sonia 11 11 1
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Jex 5 5 0
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DS&B = Daughter of Smoke and Bone
TTR = The Tea Rose
ALICE = Alice in Zombieland
ROOK = The Rook
I have no idea how to work a spread sheet so here's what I've got (see above post). Let me know if you see any discrepancies.
One correction, Bianca had 7 points for The Tea Rose. I missed some for some reason.
Done/Corrected. Sooooo...that gives her enough for one vote? Correct? Because I have her with 4 points for ROOK.
Never mind. I see she didn't do the Rook...
Tiny suggestion. Since these rules state we have 5 days after the BOM polls close to use our votes, maybe it would be a good idea to put that date on the monthly calendar too?
Stefani wrote: "Tiny suggestion. Since these rules state we have 5 days after the BOM polls close to use our votes, maybe it would be a good idea to put that date on the monthly calendar too?"Great idea, Stefani! Will pass this on to Lisa in case she doesn't see this.
Question: For points, how long do people have to fill out questions during a BOM? Just curious for all us slow readers out there that can't always keep up. Does it end the last day of reading?
Jex wrote: "Question: For points, how long do people have to fill out questions during a BOM? Just curious for all us slow readers out there that can't always keep up. Does it end the last day of reading?"Great question, Jex. We were just discussing this among the mods and we feel if you are a slower reader, and you are therefore delayed in answering the DQs past the BOM vote, your points will just apply toward the next month.
Sorry it took me so long to answer...I just got my new computer up and running. (Yay!) Now for new Internet connection on the 8th.
Well. That one sentence didn't make sense. LOL! Changed it.
I've been too busy reading. I find I start out answering questions when I'm first into a book and able to put it down. But once I start to get pulled in I don't stop reading, and I don't want to stop and answer questions, lol. I'll never get bonus points because I'm too busy reading. (Sometimes I find there are too many questions; makes me feel like I'm back in school having to do a book report and that sometimes just puts me off). I love the books NBR picks (well, most of them) and I do at least try to read most of them or at least give them a start to see if I like them. I've read more types of books I would have never picked up if they hadn't been a BOM or a series read or a challenge, and I think that's what the real focus of the group is anyways; to read more books and engage in discussions with each other about the books. I'm so grateful to all the moderators for all the hard work you do. My focus is just not on answering questions, but on actually reading, more reviewing and discussing as if I was sitting down with friends over a cup of (imaginary)coffee.
I wish there was a point system, even if it were only 1 point given, for general discussion and for those of us who read, write a review, or generally discuss the BOMS etc. In the end, though, I didn't join up to get points; I joined because I wanted to read good new (to me) books, and discuss with friends those books.
I personally don't see the advantage of even voting for a book if my vote won't count in the end and can be overridden by someone who likes to answer 50 questions.
I actually LOVE the way books of the months are done in this group. There are TONS of Goodreads groups that read books and discuss them, but I LOVE the way this group does them with a schedule and questions. I haven't been able to participate as much as I have wanted because of health problems, but I am hoping to be able to participate more now. I like the point system too. I feel like the ones who answer questions and help write them should have a bigger say on what books are chosen since they participate more. I guess what I am trying to say is I joined this group because I wanted different than just a general discussion of the book like most of the other groups!!! :).
FYI, only one person with banked voting points cast one vote last month.I'd write more, but I'm on the way to the library for my lunch break!
I love the reading schedule routine of this group. It is the main reason I joined ~ a set date to read with everyone else, and I love the way books are broken down to distinctive reading sections for each day :-)I don't like the point system and now the requirement to answer all the questions in order for a vote to count and just felt like expressing my opinion on it today. I appreciate all the hard work that the moderators and active contributors do to keep this group running.I'm wondering if book choices are going to be overturned every month in favor of those who prefer a certain genre because they have the points and have read the previous month's books? I hope there will still be a variation of book selections from all genres for everyone to enjoy.
Cathie wrote: "I'm wondering if book choices are going to be overturned every month in favor of those who prefer a certain genre because they have the points and have read the previous month's books?"I find that to be very unlikely. There are only a certain number of votes you can use (I think it's 5 per category). And more people will start using them. And with no way to know who else used their votes and for what...it basically is just a continuation of the poll.
The single vote used last month was me, because two books in that category were tied. So I find it unlikely that this group of people with votes will be singlehandedly deciding the BOMs. Sometimes? Certainly it's probable. But in order for that to happen the book would already have to be close to winning anyway, so clearly there would be a larger community interest as well. One person could not take a book from 1 vote to winning.
Thanks Cathie, for sharing that. Keep in mind that this is still in its beginning stages, so opinions like yours and Kim L's above are very helpful to hear. I'll bring this up with the mods and we can talk everything over. I'm sure when everything's said and done, a few things will need to be tweaked in order to fit everyone's needs.Also, keep in mind that 1 Power Vote = 1 regular vote, and no more than 5 Power Votes can be used at a time. So far, we've only had one Power Vote used at all. When you vote in a poll, your vote counts. A PV is just an extra vote, that's all.
Cathie wrote: "I love the reading schedule routine of this group. It is the main reason I joined ~ a set date to read with everyone else, and I love the way books are broken down to distinctive reading sections ..."I was going to post the same Stefani did. That the only way someone was going to be able to change a book was if another book was very close behind it which means a lot of people wanted to read it too.
I think the points add another element of fun to the group.
Cathie wrote: "I love the reading schedule routine of this group. It is the main reason I joined ~ a set date to read with everyone else, and I love the way books are broken down to distinctive reading sections ..."Cathie wrote: "I love the reading schedule routine of this group. It is the main reason I joined ~ a set date to read with everyone else, and I love the way books are broken down to distinctive reading sections ..."
Cathie,
You don't need to answer all the questions to get the days points, just answer the ones you wish to. We aren't trying to make you feel like you have to answer them all, we're just trying to stimulate discussion. Since we list the reading schedule, you can always try to coordinate when you end your reading with the date we end the discussion and score points by telling us what your overall thoughts of the book are and what you liked most since those are almost always included in the last set of discussion questions.
Kim L wrote: "That the only way someone was going to be able to change a book was if another book was very close behind it which means a lot of people wanted to read it too."Yes, this is why we set it up this way. It is intended to settle votes that are close, without the mods having to step in and decide.
We have been tossing around ideas of what to do for quite a while now. As a mod who has had to step in and read (and buy! because I couldn't get the book at the library) a book that I did NOT want to read...but, won the vote, (I was Discussion Leader), you might be able see why I really wanted this to go out in "beta" testing.
Yes, it is expected we will have to tweak things.
The moderators are hammering out a few things about the Participant Power Point (PPP). Once we do this, we'll post the hyperlink to the Google Spreadsheet for November.
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Have the Power Points been updated to reflect January reads?
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Books mentioned in this topic
Daughter of Smoke & Bone (other topics)The Tea Rose (other topics)
Alice in Zombieland (other topics)
The Rook (other topics)
This is something the mods of Nothing But Reading Challenges thought we would try – or “beta test” – to see if we could encourage more participation in posting Discussion Questions, Answers, or members to act as a Leader of a book discussion.