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Danyreus, Tyrion, and Jon. Nuff said
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Ambreen wrote: "Jon,Dany&Aegon. This theory is purely based on assumptions though since we don't really know if Jon will resurrect or whether Aegon is really who he claims to be."i agree... jon, dany, & aegon seems like the obvious choice... and george doesn't like obvious choices..
so i really doubt it will be those three... i am pretty sure one of the riders is going to be someone we hate!
ps. let us not forget the dragon horn and if that horn might actually hold power of dragons!
Ali wrote: "so i really doubt it will be those three... i am pretty sure one of the riders is going to be someone we hate!ps. let us not forget the dragon horn and if that horn might actually hold power of dragons!"
yeah, I think that euron may end up with one.
I see Dany, Jon and just maybe The Imp if not I see The Imp as her hand and well Arya as the last rider. I have a small feeling, weird as it may, that Jon's mother was actually a Targeryan (forgive the spelling if it is wrong)
Heh, I just finished reading ADwD. I have a theory on who our three will be. I cannot disprove it yet (assuming Jon's still alive). Here goes:- Dany on Drogon is one.
- Let's say that Lyanna and Rhaegar did get together and Lyanna gave birth to Jon Snow. So Jon Snow is #2.
- I don't buy the "Aegon isn't dead and is here to conquer Westeros" storyline. Even if he really is Aegon, he has been introduced too late in the series for me to take him seriously.
- So... what if Lyanna died in childbirth because she had twins? Who survived the events around that time? - Ned Stark and Hollin Reed. Each one took one baby and claimed them as their own. Meera Reed appears to be about the same age as Jon Snow. She lacks the green dreams of her brother so is she really a Reed?
What do you think?
Daenerys, Jon, Aegon. But I wish Tyrion would instead of Aegon.
Dany is Obviously the first, (so GRRM might change that just to throw us off, but I don't think it is likely)I like the evidence for Jon despite being burned in the first book I believe he is alive and will be a dragon rider (his dragon being controlled by Bran).
And the third I think is Stannis. Melisandra clearly has some powers as foresees him as the lord of light and though he visions are not always accurate to time and place, they do all seem to come to pass. (I did not think this until I had watched the HBO series which I think does emphasize things to come that don't make sense in the current book because they are things they cannot leave out, but don't make sense to the HBO season when they are aired; normally that is bad film making, but in this case it is foreshadowing for much later because if it wasn't as important they would have left it out.)
Clare wrote: "Heh, I just finished reading ADwD. I have a theory on who our three will be. I cannot disprove it yet (assuming Jon's still alive). Here goes:- Dany on Drogon is one.
- Let's say that Lyanna and ..."
Wow, that's a new theory. What led you to think that? Was Hollin Reed in the right places to do that, or do you think Ned just palmed off the worthless girl bastard on the way home?
Yes Hollin reed was in the right places to do that. And I guess shes relatively close in age to jon, although my memory is pretty hazy on exact ages. It's plausible, but the jon theory is backed up by a TON of GRRM hinting at him being Lyanna's. I don't recall any indication at all that Meera had any stark qualities, or anything along those lines.
I remember that Hollin Reed was with Eddard when he went to "rescue" Lyanna. Hollin and Ned were the only two to survive the fight against the Kingsguard outside the tower.I did a quick search to try to look at the ages and I can't find exact information. I also can't disprove it.
But I agree, there aren't many hints about Meera, if it is true. But wouldn't that be cool if she knew all along who she was and understood the importance of secrecy? GRRM could still drop hints in the upcoming books and THAT would be the surprise/unexpected secret, since many people already suspect Jon will be important.
Many of you forget simple fact - dragon rider can only be someone with dragon blood.So riders can only be people who are either definetly has dragonblood in them, like Dany, or people whoes origins are unclear, like Jon or (based on some obscure references) Tirion.
None of the other stark kids could ever be riders. Bran will soon be green sear he will have great povers and he will play important part but thats all. Ricon will probably be king in the north. Arya is mistery she coud become anything, exept dragon rider. Someone here said that Sansa could be rider - that thought is so ludicros that I dont even have a deasent coment.
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Some people here think that to controll dragon, rider woul have to be varg, but there is no indecation that riders of old had such povers. Plus it is very hard for vargs to controll their animals (Bran couldn't make his wolf do anything on demand and so far he is the strongest) I think controling dragon would be harder. Not to mention that when beastling enters the mind of the animal he loses conciosnes - how could someone ride a dragon that way.
Laura wrote: "Dany, Aegon, and Jon. Since Jon is really the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar. 3 targaryans, 3 dragons...perfect :) This is what I want to happen!!"Yes, I think you are right. Jon, Dani, Aegon. Probably with Tyrion and Arya held in high esteem.
Clare wrote: "Heh, I just finished reading ADwD. I have a theory on who our three will be. I cannot disprove it yet (assuming Jon's still alive). Here goes:- Dany on Drogon is one.
- Let's say that Lyanna and ..."
That is interesting especially because it refers to how highly Ned holds the Reeds in esteem many times in the book. But if so, I don't think H Reed would just send her off unprotected with just her younger brother.
Clare wrote: "Heh, I just finished reading ADwD. I have a theory on who our three will be. I cannot disprove it yet (assuming Jon's still alive). Here goes:- Dany on Drogon is one.
- Let's say that Lyanna and ..."
A boy and a girl, separated at birth and fostered for their own safety by different families? That would be way too Star Wars imo!
Carrie wrote: That is interesting especially because it refers to how highly Ned holds the Reeds in esteem many times in the book. But if so, I don't think H Reed would just send her off unprotected with just her younger brother. So... did anyone notice that the actress playing Meera in the TV show looks a lot like the actor playing Jon Snow? That could be a coincidence, but I say my twin theory still stands as a possibility.
And I wouldn't say that H. Reed sent her off unprotected. Meera is portrayed as an accomplished hunter, and likely could defend herself with that spear.
Amber wrote: "@Kat - I would love Hodor to ride a dragon, but only if Bran was warging him. Teehee.@Marina - I never considered Shireen. But that is an awesome and great idea. She does have the blood of the..."
Actualy, Jan can be legitamate if a king (or queen) removes his status as bastard.
As for Deany geting burned that wasnt a single ocasion - she vasnt burned when she rode her dragon and I am preaty sure there vere other smaller si9tuations vere she should have been burnt.
@ Ansis - Here is what GRRM has to say about Dany's burnability so to speakhttp://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/E...
Even if Jon is legitimized he still won't be the heir to the Iron Throne - since Aegon is still alive and born before Jon. They'd have to prove that Aegon wasn't Aegon, that Jon was Lyanna and Rhaegar's, and then legitimize him, thats a lot of factors...
dragon rider can only be someone with dragon blood.
Also, GRRM has stated that the dragon riders DO NOT have to be Targaryen.
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My two cent. Tyrion is out because i really like his charater,which means Martin will promtly kill him the first chance he gets. Who ever you think would be the worst possible person to ride the dragon will most likely be the person to do so. Kinda Martin's style.
Amber wrote: "@ Ansis - Here is what GRRM has to say about Dany's burnability so to speakhttp://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/E...
Even if Jon is legitimized he still won't be the..."
Well if you read it carefuly then he didnt exactly came aut and said that she can get burnt just that this particular event was unicue and it was always obios that her imunity to fire isnt comepleate. Just as it is obios that fire cant do her any real harm.
He does say that her not burning was a " one time" thing "a freakish happening" of sorts, in one of his interviews.
3.5. ARE TARGARYENS IMMUNE TO FIRE?GRRM has firmly stated that what happened with Daenerys at the end of A Game of Thrones was a unique event (SSL. EHC)...
Lets pay attention on words "what happened" not for example "Daenerys not burning". It would go perfecly with his style to trick us into thinking he ment one thing when it realy means something diferent.
Of course maybe I am wrong, but thats how I see things.
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Ok so there is a lot going on with this dragon business. and there are a lot of possibilities. all equally possible. there are all the possible Targaryen and the Horn. I know some people say Dany should ride because they are her dragons. and others say maybe she wont. I wonder if Victerion (sorry on the spelling) will end up giving her the horn. either willingly by allying with her or she defeats him. Therefor she is the owner of the horn and will be able to properly use it. So she can control her dragons completely. Not that she needs it, seeing as she was doing pretty well with Drogon by the very end and he let her on him willingly twice. But perhaps during the battles with the white walkers or any other forces she stays on the ground to command her people and fight. and allows others to ride her dragons for her. she does this by using the horn so that the dragons will allow other riders. Therefor they do not necessarily need to be targaryen. my picks for dragon riders during battles are Jon, Tyrion, and Gendry. with Dany on the ground controlling everything. this brings the 4 main houses together to save the relm. Dany-Targaryen. Jon-Stark (whether he had targ or not, hes still Stark) Tyrion-Lannister. And Gendry-Baratheon.
Tyrion, sitting on a dragon while it makes a meal of Littlefinger saving Sanza, Aegon and Daenery, eating Lannisters and White Walkers alike.. Arya will meet up with Nymeria and her wolf pack and began to destroy the Freys and Bolton, with the help of Bran who will use the eyes of the trees to direct the attack. No dragons needed. Jon will be nursed to health by Val; you know the Stark fetish for women who tend wounds.
Felicia wrote: "Ok so there is a lot going on with this dragon business. and there are a lot of possibilities. all equally possible. there are all the possible Targaryen and the Horn. I know some people say Dany..."
But Dany's already mounted Drogon, and the text indicates that dragons never have two riders at once. No one else is riding Drogon.
Danielle wrote: "My money is on Tyrion Lannister because I suspect he is a Targaryan, and a Stark on the other. But I'm still not convinced that Daenerys will keep one, she isn't a warg and may lose all the dragons..."Daenerys may not be a warg, but she has her own kind of "magic" which the dragons respond to. And she is their Mother. I do kind of expect that she will be one of the riders. And I like the idea of Rickon, although he's still awfully young.
Danielle, what makes you think that Tyrion may be a Targaryan? Did I miss something when reading?
Kate wrote: "In a way, it's actually about the Targaryen and the Lannister History. Tyrion, although wore his name with pride back then, never really identified with his line. Often he defied his own blood. Hel..."Well said!
Sandi wrote: "Danielle wrote: "My money is on Tyrion Lannister because I suspect he is a Targaryan, and a Stark on the other. But I'm still not convinced that Daenerys will keep one, she isn't a warg and may los..."There's a theory Tyrion may secretly be a Targaryen, hinged on the tidbit Barristan gives us about Aerys having a thing for Joanna Lannister. The theory hinges upon the idea that Aerys raped Joanna. Other facts used to back it up include: Tyrion's pale gold hair, mismatched eyes, and preoccupation with dragons.
Personally I don't buy it because I see no reason why Joanna wouldn't abort any pregnancy resulting from such a rape. And also because I think it undermines Tyrion's narrative connections with Tywin.
That is true that Dany has already ridden Drogon. and i don't remember where it actually says dragons will only allow one rider. That could be what the horn is for. without it the dragon will only accept 1 rider. but if the horn user tells the dragon to accept a different rider then it might be possible. Plus with Dany I think her situation is kind of special. Are there any others in the past that had more than one dragon? She raised these 3 from the egg. She was in the fire with them when they were born. I think she could ride all 3 of them because she is their mother, and they would still pick a single rider of their own. I dont think they consider her in the same way they consider other humans.
Either that or I could be completely wrong and it could swing in the total opposite direction. the dragons are so used to only her that none of them will ever accept any other riders. and there are not 3 dragons riders lol.
Definitely Jon and Dany, but I'm not sure about the third. As cool as it would be to see Arya or Tyrion get to ride the third dragon, I don't believe it will be either one.I think the colors hint at who will ride each dragon. Drogon being Dany's since he is of her house colors and Viserion belonging to Jon since he is white like Ghost. Therefore, I think Rhaegal will belong to a character we have not yet met, and will not necessarily be reflected by house colors(imagine a Tyrell on a dragon) but by something else the character is associated with.
Nick wrote:I think the colors hint..."
Rhaegal is bronze and green. House Reed's colors are green. But then if Meera is only an adopted member of House Reed, would this fit by association???
^^Clare,I did not think of that, the Reeds. They are a possibility, I suppose. I'm not sure about Meera, but we have yet to meet the highly anticipated and mysterious Howland Reed.
Nick wrote: "^^Clare,I did not think of that, the Reeds. They are a possibility, I suppose. I'm not sure about Meera, but we have yet to meet the highly anticipated and mysterious Howland Reed."
I also found this Meera theory mentioned on a couple of other boards. Apparently a cast member made a vague comment about Jon Snow's parentage reveal that implied a sister as one possibility. Who knows? We'll have to wait until he finishes the books.
The answer is patch face, moon boy, and Hodor. I know I know I know, oh oh oh!
I would love to see the Hound riding a dragon. Imagine that! A dragon is what he needs (and deserves) to overcome his fear of fire.
Frida wrote: "I would love to see the Hound riding a dragon. Imagine that! A dragon is what he needs (and deserves) to overcome his fear of fire."Helo - he is dead and unlike for some of the others his demise cant be questioned.
i'd say with roughly 90% certainty that the hound is in fact very much alive and living on the quiet isle with the monks as a gravedigger. i definitely don't remember reading the chapter where he drew his last breath at any rate.
The thing about the Hound being alive, it may be true. GRRM has said the actors on the HBO series has changed the projection of some characters in the last two bks. Osha for one will have a greater role moving forward and the fans of HBO have taken a liking to the Hound and the actor who plays him. It is not beyond the pale to believe GRRM intended the tale of the Hound to end, only to change his mind in deference HBO producers. Doyle did it with Sherlock!
Good! I like the hound! I also think Asha Greyjoy is an amusing and underrated character. I hope the show doesn't kill her off.
Khaled wrote: "I guess they would be daenreys, Tyrion and the Bear."Oh YESssssssss!
I like that!
Don't think it's possible but I like it!
I love Brienne!
From my experience with GRRM I would say that it's very likely that The Hound is alive, if you have not read from the specific caracter's point of view in the moment of his/her death, tatt person is probably not dead. GRRM likes to fuck with us.
I don't know if it is to screw with us so much as GRRM likes to turn upsidedown the normal fantasy roles. Take for example Jamie L. I hated the character at first, but by Dance I grew to like the character and as the full story revealed itself my hatred has shifted to Freys, Boltons, and Cersei. Oh and Theon of course.
Stephen wrote: "I don't know if it is to screw with us so much as GRRM likes to turn upsidedown the normal fantasy roles. Take for example Jamie L. I hated the character at first, but by Dance I grew to like the c..."I dont know I kinda felt sory for Theon. He did horible things, but not becouse he was that bad person, but becouse he was weak.
who we want to be the three Dragons riders: Dany, Jon, and Tyrion;who we will end up with: Cressi, Ramsay Bolton, and Hodor.
as long is he doesn't Kill Arya or Dany, i am cool.
Fun fact: Baratheon's are Targaryen blood, so I vote for Gendry! And possibly Mya Stone? Though more likely would be Edric Stone who disappeared after Davos smuggled him away from getting burned. He could be anywhere, possibly heading to Dany!awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aegon_V
Bran is the winged wolf. If that doesn't scream dragon rider I don't know what does. Jon has too big of a role to play elsewhere and I just don't see him abandoning everything to chase after the khalessi. Bran on the other hand could make a connection with Dany without ever crossing the narrow sea. With the bloodlines essentially wiped out and Aegon essentially trying to steal any following Dany might have in Westeros, I don't really think that the bloodlines are going to be important when and if she ever selects riders.I really don't have any good reasons for anyone else to be the third rider so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that one of the dragons die before it ever gets a rider. I mean really if everyone else can die why not the dragons?
i personally am constantly wondering what role the baratheon bastards will play.waters, stone and storm... by your powers combined, i am captain westeros?
I doubt Bran will literally ride a dragon, but I could see him Warging one possibly. If any Stark is going to warg a dragon I suspect he'd be the one.
It is hard for me to understand this Theon lovefest. From the very start Theon has been an ass. Re-read your first introduction to Theon. And at this pause in our HBO split Theon only role is the transformation into Reek, It is not until Roose Bolton & son meet up (after the Red Wedding) that Theon role changes back from reek to Theon the ward of Stark.
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