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Chris , Max or Luke?
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Feb 14, 2008 12:30PM
But Rory was in high school -- and she was raised very differently from many children -- treated as though she were a person all along and given real input into her own life long before some parents allow real thought processes in children -- so she's smarter than average. I think Lorelai was right -- by that time, Rory IS raised -- that didn't stop Rory from making plenty of mistakes later on but that doesn't mean much -- adults make mistakes, too. The Max thing was a bit muddled I felt as far as when he came up with his concerns -- should have been earlier -- and things taken more slowly to be realistic.
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I agree. Heebie-Jeebies aside, I thought Max popped the question *way* too prematurely. Luke was exactly right when he pointed out to Lorelai all of the things that she and Max needed to talk about before making wedding plans. Even if his motive was to keep Lorelai to himself.My husband and I got engaged after 2 months (and married after only 10 months), but I asked him every important question on our first road-trip together! ;)
Yeah, I really hated the "we fight all the time, so let's get married. Because married people have LESS to fight about than people who've been dating for five minutes" thing. Brent and I got engaged after only 4 months and I think we might have had it easier if we'd dated longer first. My parents met in May 1970 and were married that September. They've been together for almost 38 years now! So it can work getting engaged early on if it's the right person.
But getting engaged should NEVER be a solution to problems in a relationship! Hello! Backwards thinking!
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The met at a community pool where Dad saw her and elicited an introduction. They then talked some. My dad asked my mum to sit with him at the local baseball game the next night, then had her go with him to drive a friend home (in Nebraska that can take a while). The next day my mum waited and waited Dad's call, but finally caved in to her cousin who wanted mum to double with her. My dad called after they'd left because he'd been working. He got so jealous that the next night when they went out, he asked her to spend the rest of her life with him. She said yes.
Yea Mum & Dad!
Oh, and fast can work.
I love all those stories! My hubby and I dated for 2.5 years in high school, got engaged in August after I graduated, and were married 20 days later. So it was kind of the opposite. Long dating, short engagement. Without the pesky age thing, I would have married him without a second thought much earlier.
I think that Lorelei is too immature to successfully handle being married. Because I think Chris was her perfect match, but she married him on the rebound and didn't even try. If she would have let him in more, he wouldn't have gotten so jealous of Luke and they could have been happy together. But the whole Chris and Lorelei thing was that they were never in the same place at the same time.
I never liked Chris and thought they ruined the show when he and Lorelai got married. Luke was perfect! He did so much for Lorelai and was so totally unselfish in everything he did. Until April showed up, I hated the whole April storyline. I really lost interest in the show about the time she showed up. Where had my favorite show gone? I liked Max too. I Hated Jason and could never get into that storyline. I just kept waiting for them to finally write him out.
Like a lot of people said, once Lorelei slept with Chris after the fight, it all went down hill. Why? BECAUSE THEY GOT NEW WRITERS! Amy was not there the last season because of the tranistion from the WB to the CW. Lame! And obviously they did a horrible job with the whole April storyline . . . blah, blah, blah. That was terrible. The show could have ended a lot better if they kept Amy on.
LAST SEASON SPOILERSDon't forget, AMY wrote the episode where Lorelai slept with Chris. The new writers are the ones who had them get married, but Amy started it.
Chris and Lorelai seemed great but i think luke was her soul mate
I love Chris. I love Chris and Lore. I was all for Chris and Lore until she and Luke finally got it together. C & L have this great history together. They knew each other so well. but the timing was ALWAYS off for reason, it wasn't meant to be.
Luke and Lorelai just fit together. They compliment each other with out NEEDING each other.
I would have to pick Luke. He brought out the adult in her. He brought out the best. He understood her and loved her for it. Chris brought out the impulsive high schooler in her. I think their marriage was neccesary because there had always been the "what if" factor, but he wasn't good for her emotionally. Max was wonderful and I loved him, but I support Lorelai because she didn't love him...So Luke all the way
Clearly I am not in the majority but I think that Chris and Lorelai are best together. I thought it was crap when they broke up their marriage and the reasoning was " it wasn't right" and then suddenly rory agrees. it was the lamest plot twist i've ever seen. could the writers have been more lazy? when they first got married rory talked about how happy she was about it.when you watch the 6th season you see how crappy luke treats lorelai. He lies to her about April which she doesn't even get mad about. He puts off their wedding and acts so petty about letting Lorelai meet April. Also I agree with April being just like lorelai.
I think that Lorelai and Chris should have worked on their marriage instead of giving up.
Completely agree. The writers did get lazy and it was really lame how they decided to break up their marriage. For me, Lorelai would never do something like that--get married on a whim, etc. That isn't her. I think the writers messed up there. She thinks things through--even when she was 16 she knew it wasn't right to get married and she left home. It just isn't consistent.
LUKE, LUKE, LUKE- Even my husband got mad and refused to be in the room while Gilmore Girls was on during the whole Chris marriage thing. It just never went anywhere. And the April storeline (although a darling little actress I enjoy still seeing on Hannah Montana) was awful...
i think that luke and lorelai were meant for each other!!! i really hope they decide to do the movie and show luke and lorelai getting married =)
GO LUKE!!!!!! WOOO!!!!! my mom has shirt w/ luke's diner's logo on it!!! (and i want that shirt!)
Definetely Luke. He was there for Lorelai when she needed it. He helped her raising Rory. He's a real man.
Neither. I'm on Team Jason. I thought they were great together. I liked that he was from the world she hated, and that he could make her think differently of it. He risked everything to be with her and I don't think the show really gave him credit for that. Also, he could keep up with all the jokes and their way of life. Their first date ending up at the grocery store was HILARIOUS!! All in all, I know that for the show's sake she needed to end up with Luke and they had to kill Jason off, but I think they were the best together.As for the others:
I liked Luke, but they should stay friends. Once they started dating, I didn't like him as much. Max was a nice guy, but they didn't have much of a connection. Chris and her obviously had a strong bond and he was always the person she came back to, but he could never stay in one place for long. He was flighty and immature and that was okay when they were teens, but now that they are grown up she needed someone stronger.
Tamar, I liked your analysis of the four men. Quite interesting. I rather liked Jason, also, during his time in the limelight but had never thought it through in quite the way you stated it.
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I personally loved Jason! His character was great, he was funny, he and Lorelai got along fabulously and I think he would have been the guy she married if you know, he didn't try to sue her father.
*Finally* I saw the episode where Lorelai and Luke first kiss! At last! Even my husband kept asking when it was going to happen!
I absolutely love Lorelai and Luke together. I was just...right. I never really liked her with any other guy. Just him. He was always there for her and Rory as well. They're meant to be and truly "Written in the Stars!"
Luke. 100% Luke. I'm just watching the box sets right now (only on season 3 though), and overwhelmingly I feel that she should be with Luke. He gets and obviously enjoys her personality (even though he often pretends otherwise) and he is just a good match for her. His pragmatism is a nice foil to her flightiness.
I like Chris, but it's just not the same. I wouldn't want to be with him. He's not very dependable, whereas Luke is more of a rock.
Also, I'm just more attracted to Luke's character. He's intelligent, likes a simple life, and knows who he is.
LUKE LUKE LUKE LUKE LUKE LUKEI liked Chris's character, but as was said earlier he brings out the highschool girl in "Lore". He's that "bad boy" that can still make you angry as hell, but weak in the knees all at once. I think he should have been more adult though and backed out of her life when she was involved with Luke. I think he owed her at least that much respect. I think Rory hit the nail on the head when she told Chris at the wedding essentially to not hurt Lorelai.
Love Luke. I would definately choose Luke for Lorelai, but would I choose Lorelai for Luke?? Don't know. Love her character and Lauren Graham, but...if Luke was a buddy...I would worry about him with her, but then again, she would probably win me over ;P
And now I am going to duck....
What's with all the hating on April??? I mean seriously. Think about Luke's character. He is an honest guy who, though a little fly off the handle sometimes (but damn his rants are sexy!!!), does the RIGHT thing. He has been single for YEARS. Now he's in, let's face it, a not always stable relationship (engaged or not) and finds out he's a dad. I think it was written perfectly for his character. He wanted to sort through his own stuff first, and figure out where things were with the dad/daughter relationship. It isn't that he didn't want to tell Lorelai, just looking for the right timing...and as happens sometimes, timing finds you first!! I think it was one of the times where Lorelai was very adult and responsible in her behaviour and relationship with Luke. Thankfully, being female and all, I won't ever have any "surprise" you have a kid moments. But I do have a husband, and while we've been togather for almost 12 years, I wasn't his first relationship. Can't help but wonder how I'ld deal if we found out he had another child.
Just one (or two) more things -
This has been driving me crazy -- I think it was in Season 3, or end of Season 2, when Jess goes to live with his dad....is his dad not living with Anna and April??? Also Luke introduces them at Jess' opening and this appears to be their first meeting??
Did I miss something, or am I mistaken??? Either is very possible :)
And finally -- Admittedly my viewing of GG is a little jumbled. Watched it off and on for 1st year or 2, then started again in 5-7, and recently started it from the beginning. When Laurelai starts dating Max, it is a bit of an issue...because she has never brought the guys she has dated in the past around Rory (very admirable choice I believe). But then along comes, Chris, Jason, Chris, the coffee guy(can't remember his name), Chris, Luke, Chris. Okay Chris was Rory's dad, and Luke, well could have been her dad for all his participation in her life, but they seemed to take that "rule" of Lorelai's and throw it out the window!
Sorry - a little verbose this evening :)
I don't remember the name of Jess' dad's girlfriend, but her daughter was named Lily.
It was the same actress, but not the same character.
Yes, I agree, Luke would not have abandoned Sherry. Guess the reason for his keeping April from Lorelai would have been fear of losing her (L). Luke is definitely the one, but I really always got the feeling that Lorelai was too flamboyant to appreciate him as she should. I could never get enough of Luke. But that wasn't the question, was it? I wish that Luke would have been a little bit wilder and had had more depth. He was dedicated, yes, but although his sexual side was always there, they had him telling her he had to go to sleep at 9:00 so he could get up early. The real Luke would have placed passion a lot higher on the list, to my way of thinking. Also, I wish he would have been a tad more intellectual. Nonetheless, LUKE it definitely is!!!!
(Who would have thought I could carry such a flame even though I am so happily married! HAHA)
Robbie and Lyndsey thanks. Silly I should have checked IMDB first. Sherilyn Fenn, it was "Sasha" in that early episode. The hiding and reading in the closet...seemed like an early "April" thing ;POh and because it can't be said enough...
LUKE! LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!
I would have to pick Luke. He acts like a great father to April. He also makes the best coffee and Lorelai and Rory both LOVE coffee - so he would be perfect!!
I think Lorelai should have ended up with Luke. He is so grouchy and stubborn, he reminds me of Mr. Darcy in "Pride and Prejudice". Besides he makes great coffee. I don't think Lorelai and Chris would be a good match. Lorelai has always tried to get away from the Richard/Emily world and Christopher would tie her back to that world. Besides he has made some really bad choices. I couldn't get over the last episode in the 2nd season when it looks like he is getting back together with Lorelai and they are finally making a family and then he gets a phone call saying his old girlfriend is pregnant. Poor Lorelai!
I definitely vote for Luke.Max was too syrupy. I loved that he loved literature and that he was passionate about Lorelai, but his proposal was premature and there wasn't a lot of substance to their relationship. Lorelai just liked the attention and his hair and his kisses; they weren't a good fit.
I couldn't stand Jason. He was slimy and selfish. The was some good repartee between them, but that's the best I can say.
For a long time, I liked Chris a lot, even though he was irresponsible. I understood Lorelai's weakness for him. He was exciting and fun and good looking. He was her first love that she grew up with and shared awesome times with in high school and he was Rory's dad. In a lot of ways he did *get* her like no one else. But I never liked him less than the end of season 6 and during season 7. One consistent thing about Chris's character is that he was immature. Immaturity often manifests itself as selfishness and weakness. Lorelai was upset and vulnerable because of her disappointment about Luke. Chris knew this and he took advantage of it because he had always wanted to be with Lorelai. He justified it in his mind because he thought that the two of them being together was best. But he knew that wasn't what she really wanted. He took advantage of her vulnerability at every turn -- not in a devious way, but in an immature, selfish way -- when they slept together when she was upset, when he pressured her into getting into their relationship faster when she clearly articulated that she needed to go slowly, when he pressured her into getting married in Paris, etc. Luke wouldn't have operated this way. I wasn't pulling for a divorce on principle, but the character of Chris made a big stride forward in my mind when he recognized that he would always be second choice and decided that it wasn't right for him to stay. It was still a move motivated chiefly by self interest, but it finally seemed like he was growing up a little. I think he really did love Lorelai the best he knew how.
I feel like Luke's really bad decisions in his relationship with Lorelai surrounding April and not making April fit into their lives instead of the other way around were an aberation for his character. One can chalk it up to his exceptionally difficult transition to being a dad or to the writers messing up and writing Luke all wrong. At any rate, I don't think that was typical Luke. For the rest of the whole show, Luke was Mr. Reliable, Mr. Noble, Mr. Unselfish, Mr. Consistent. He and Lorelai were a good fit. He didn't understand her in some ways like Chris did, but he understood her present self a lot more (e.g., Chris didn't really understand Stars Hollow that Lorelai loves). L&L had chemistry and a deep love for each other, and Luke's status as her rock made him a much better choice. I loved their moment at Rory's graduation when she wants to thank him for his sacrifice to make it happen.
Luke!Chris was spoiled and Max was too... Dean.
Max, all the way. I seem to be in the minority here but Lorelei and Max were the best couple. He was smart enough and quirky enough for her and would have been a great step-dad for Rory. Lorelie and Luke only seemed to have chemistry BEFORE they started dating. Same goes for her and Christopher.
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Once again - definetely LUKE! Down-to-earth guy, who is able to slow down Lorelei's attempts to make some of her crazy ideas real. They both work hard (Lorelei didn't use her parents connections to get something. She asked her parents for money for very important matter - education of Rory - not a new car or house).
i like jason. i thought he was sweet and charming a little neurotic but sweet.
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I just started watching Gilmore Girls on DVD. I never caught it when it was on TV, and did not know much about it. What a great show! I am currently in the middle of season 5, but I know what happens in the end...Lorelei should be with Luke. The history with Chris is long, but Lorelei and Luke's characters just MESH. He always matches her, line for line, which I love about their scenes together. Chris is hot, Luke is hot. Max was kind of a tool, and Jason was totally a tool.
I heard someone else took over the writing for the final season, which left many frustrated viewers.
I actually read somewhere that Luke's character was only intended as a background, local color sort of character. When they filmed the pilot and saw how well Scott and Lauren played off of one another they approached him about doing the whole series. It seems the spark between them is real, not written. Of course I don't mean that in a romantic way, just that their real personalities make them well suited to work together.
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Okay, so I'm near the end of Season 6SPOILERS
I totally do *not* like the way Luke and Lorelai are acting as a couple. Lorelai has all these hurt feelings, and she pretends that she doesn't. That's a recipe for disaster! And Luke, while one thing I like about him is that he isn't all gushy, he doesn't really do much to reassure Lorelai that he is serious about her. It kind of seems like they made a better couple when they weren't a couple and there was just all of this fun sexual tension. Sort of like it was for Rory and Jess.
Luke. Max was never really an option. Lorelei needed a partner, and found Max. Chris on the other hand, was allways an option. He really loved her, except, he wasn't the one. Luke was. he may not understand some of the complexities that Chris and Lorelei share, but that doesn't matter. He will ALLWAYS be there for her, no matter what their status is. Yes, I like them as friends, but i LOVE them as partners. Luke is slower than the other two, but he can't help that. He tried to move as quickly as he could. I hated that the writers created April. Not that it was her fault or anything, but if she hadn't existed, their relationship would have been MUCH smoother, and maybe the whole "marrying Christopher thing never would have happened" uchkggg i hated that.
Definately Luke! Is it just rumor about the movie, or is it really in the works. I think if they do a movie, it will pick up where the series ended and L & L will be back together.
Luke all the way and that is all there is to it. I found Chris to be a little too immature at times. Luke was always there when she needed him.
Luke!! Chris and Lorelai took their relationship as far as they could. They finally got married, but it wasn't really what she wanted. As for the movie, Lauren is apparently being quoted that people in high places are talking about it... I just hope they don't totally screw it all up. Dead Like Me was a good show and then they made a movie. The movie was a mess, it was very sad. If they do a movie, I would think it would be present time, Rory home, after spending years on the campaign trail.
I know I'm the minority here, but I never liked Luke. Especially now that I'm re-watching the series, knowing what will happen...Perhaps the other guys had bad timing, but Luke is just a plain coward. So what if he kept her horoscope in his wallet for 8 years? All those years he could have been with her, if only he mustered the courage to ask her out. I for one prefer a man who has the guts to take his life into his own hands, especially when it comes to expressing his intentions towards me. I hate how he get so rude and grumpy everytime Lorelai is happy with someone else, celebrates when she breaks up with, for example, Max, and STILL does nothing about his feelings. As for him 'tolerating' Lorelai's quirks and bits, he shouldn't just tolerate them, and tell her she's weird/crazy every damn time, he should cherish all of it, really. To me it's like everything that makes Lorelai so special, or almost EVERYTHING about her, is something for him to complain about, 'bear' or 'get out of the way'- like standing in the snow for a moment or listening to 80s music. He constantly emphasises everything about Lorelai and Rory that differs slightly from normal, and underlines how 'weird' it is... I know it's it's intented in a 'he doesn't really mean it' sort of way, but it gets irritating after a while. Before they got together, all he did was confuse her - he didn't want her to be with anyone else, yet never made a move, so she was in a bit of a dead end. To top that, he's hostile towards Rory's boyfriends, which is a 'daddy-ish' thing to do, I guess, but he didn't make any effort to see if she's actually happy or not. And that marrying Nicole? He would rather just marry whoever came along than have a serious talk with Lorelai?
You say he's an 'honest guy'. How is he honest? All this messing with Lorelai's head without telling her what's the deal is dangerously close to lying, imo. 'Unselfish'? All he does is place himself in a comfort zone, avoiding conflict (April)...
He does bring something to the story, but to me, as a person, he's just plain boring. Can you imagine Lorelai and Luke on a honeymoon trip to Europe? It would be her trying to have fun, and dragging him around, while he would be complaining about the food, weather and prices, and maybe eventually admitting that it wasn't that bad.
If I had to choose, I would choose Max. It was a bad time for Lorelai to make this sort of commitment, and he was more mature, but at least there was some actual passion, a thing I cannot say about Luke and Lorelai. I also agree with a few people here that Max would make a good stepdad - he actually talked to Rory and showed concern about her problems on a daily basis, not just when she got arrested or ran away. And above everything else, Max was educated and smart, and inspired both of the girls... if only he had a little bit of Jason's humour and energy mixed in, I'd like him a lot more.
I disagree. As I've said before, Max gives me the heebie-jeebies. Or, to use a word I learned from my 365 words a year calendar. He gives me the jimjams! I'd choose Chris over him.
