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What faction would you create/what faction is missing?

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Shula This is a really hard and deep question that I can't even think of an answer to.


message 2: by Avani (last edited Aug 20, 2012 07:45PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Avani I was always turned off by the idea of categorizing people into vague yet specific groups, like factions. Humans are complex creatures with complex minds, and it's difficult to constrict them to one generalized trait. I think the problem with factions is the same problem as the Hogwarts Houses. It conforms a long portion of their lives to wrap themselves around and embody just that trait... which disallows them to become a well-rounded person.

Therefore, if asked to create a new faction, I would ask if we could throw the Faction thing out the window entirely.


Sasha bravery, honesty, knowledge, peacefulness, selflessness


humm not sure they need to be less pacific..
i thing the factions should mix with the districts from the hunger games.


Shula Loyalty????????????? I don't know. I think the existing factions definitely do overlap with each other, but it's OK because that's what we're given. I think it's hard to come up with new ones because we think they overlap.


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All I can think of is creativity, because Erudite is too practical to be creative.


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Maybe diligence/ industriousness. The people would value keeping busy, getting things done, and not being lazy. Inactivity shunned; citizens of the faction would be required to prove that they had done something useful at the end of the day. Even the sick and disabled would be kept busy weaving baskets or something like that.


Mimi ❤ Shula wrote: "Loyalty????????????? I don't know. I think the existing factions definitely do overlap with each other, but it's OK because that's what we're given. I think it's hard to come up with new ones becau..."

Isn't that Amity?


Shula Amity is peace . . .

But all of the factions overlap in ideas, but nobody can admit it. In their society, you could never ever say the factions overlap, and then trying to create a new faction (in concept) would not be likley because their society is perfect. But the readers see how they overlap, ("selflessness and bravery aren't that different") so we can't think of new ones. For example, how could loyalty be a factor (at least ans unspoken one) in all of the faction's values?


ღIsabellaღ I think they need a faction called Vivacity where everyone is happy, bubbly, energetic, and throws rainbows and shit.

Just my thought.


Rachel Munch Katie wrote: "All I can think of is creativity, because Erudite is too practical to be creative."i agree, all of the faction's are different but none are creative if that makes any sense. but out of all of them i think dauntless is the most creative.


Ankitha The Divergent Faction..i cnt think of anything else..ooh nd i think Abnegation and Dauntless should like combine :)


Mimi ❤ Isabella wrote: "I think they need a faction called Vivacity where everyone is happy, bubbly, energetic, and throws rainbows and shit.

Just my thought."


Doesn't Amity already do that? But how is that fraction supposed to get anything done and attribute to the society?


ღIsabellaღ Melina wrote: "Isabella wrote: "I think they need a faction called Vivacity where everyone is happy, bubbly, energetic, and throws rainbows and shit.

Just my thought."

Doesn't Amity already do that? But how is..."

Amity is peaceful and they contribute by being motivation speakers... cause happy people are good at motivation


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Jaden I would create one were everyone is under one law and you do anything not with that law you die. Also it would be were you could do what you want but have a searcher injected into your skin 24/7 also you would not be able to have children after age 20 so have kids young. Also you would have to be brave, quick, feild smart, animal smart, don't know what to do with life and very selfish and selfless.


Emilyx Dauntless, Amity, Erudite, Abnegation, & Candor

Brave, peaceful, smart, selfless, & honest

The only thing that's missing is artful (for people who like the arts), and that's all.


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Jenai Goss Maybe think of it in the reverse. All the factions were started not to bring a trait into prominance, but because they blamed a specific trait for the problems of mankind (deceipt, selfishness, cowardness, etc).

"Envy" is a huge instigator of human conflict. (Though it could be said that the problem is well taken care of in Abenegation, though their initial focus was slightly different). "Lust" (of the eyes, of the flesh) is also well countered by Abnegation, so probably doesn't need a seperate, even more ascetic faction.

"Arrogance" as a flaw to counter would be an interesting one. Abnegation counters pride by eliminating the self, but the true counter to arrogance/boasting is meekness (greek concept, not the connotations it has in english of being a doormat). It's awareness of self, but willingly subjecting oneself to authority or limiting one's actions. (Like a warhorse, trained to kill, that follows the orders of his master).

So a faction, "Deference" (perhaps), could be formed which combines elements of bravery and submission, strength and humility. They would be great diplomats, soldiers, and even politicians.

Deference/Meekness
"Strength Under Control"

Other needed factions:

Codex (to combat the problem of anarchy. This would have a mix of the impartiality of candor, the philosophy of the erudite, and the public service of abegnation). "True justice is merciful" would be an original maxim, but lost over time.

Adroitness (to combat stagnation/simplicity/stubborness) The most creative of the factions, they would be instigators of progress and public arts, and often work closely with the erudite (though the erudite would find them a little too flighty and impractical for long term projects). They'd debate often with the Candor and Amity would love their city improvements. They would have a rocky relationship with Abnegation.


Sophie I reckon maybe a Humility faction, although that might be like Abnegation...


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Ruby The happy faction, the purposeful/survival faction, the creative faction, and the loyal faction!


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Ruby Or the fast faction, or the fast strong, survival of the fittest kind of faction. They could always compete against each other to be physically stronger!


FallingAngels Creativity! I always thought that this would be a good faction, because I like Erudite, but they are all scientists. I want to be an author!


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Jenai wrote: "Maybe think of it in the reverse. All the factions were started not to bring a trait into prominance, but because they blamed a specific trait for the problems of mankind (deceipt, selfishness, cow..."
That. Is. Brilliant.


Camilla I seriously think there should be a 'awareness' faction called cognizance, meaning awareness or notice.


Samantha ღIsabellaღ wrote: "I think they need a faction called Vivacity where everyone is happy, bubbly, energetic, and throws rainbows and shit.

Just my thought."


That's Amity to a T.


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Vinit Amity covers the most traits because it actually values unity, friendship, and peace, and not really kindness. Kindness goes hand-in-hand with the real goals of Amity because in order to attain unity, friendship, and ultimately peace, people must be happy, peaceful, kind, trustworthy, forgiving, self-sufficient, loyal, friendly, and neutral.


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Jenai wrote: "Maybe think of it in the reverse. All the factions were started not to bring a trait into prominance, but because they blamed a specific trait for the problems of mankind (deceipt, selfishness, cow..."

I love this.


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Brady I made two good factions that I personally like.
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The Proclivity- They believe in using their instincts for everything. They don't do anything unless their instincts say it's good. Their symbol is a wolf in a circle and they usually have some type of animal teeth/other on them.* (*Because animals use their instincts.)

The Travail- They believe in hard work. They never give up and can usually lift very heavy things. Their symbol is a blacksmith's hammer in a circle and they usually have gloves on.
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Made a faction called the Aversion who have a very strong hatred for everything but that would only include Jeanine, Eric, Peter, and Marcus.* (*And anyone who foolishly followed them.)


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Daniel Avani wrote: "I was always turned off by the idea of categorizing people into vague yet specific groups, like factions. Humans are complex creatures with complex minds, and it's difficult to constrict them to on..."

Ummm... sort of the point of the books, here. Each faction has lost important things by focussing on only one aspect of the human experience.


Nadia The vanity faction.
They're like the fashion models and the people who really care about the appearance and the exterior of stuff and people. None of the other factions were about this


Rahma Hafsaoui I think that each one of us is a faction even if we seem to be gathered into groups that allow us to feel safe and maybe feel at ease because we get to think the same way and act the same ... Yet in those virtual factions we created in our minds and believed in with our hearts i guess everyone is still looking for himself and trying to classify the group he belongs to into smaller groups ...that is the whole point i guess ... Being divergent i think is mixing all factions and seeing each moment with a different perspective


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Tommy Boastful: The Braggarts
“I saw you checking out my sweet watch—yep, it’s a Rolex. I’ve actually been listening to that band since before they were signed. Can you run a five-minute mile? I can—without even breaking a sweat. Watch me!” It’s no wonder Boastful wound up on the chopping block. Who wants to read about a bunch of strutting peacocks who can’t stop trying to impress each other? This doomed faction was like Dauntless meets Erudite meets a 6-year-old who won’t stop yelling at her mom to watch her cannonball dive into the swimming pool. Good riddance.

Clumsy: The Ungraceful
It was just one party-foul after another for the poor saps in Clumsy. Since a great many of those who tried to join ended up tripping over their shoelaces during the Choosing Ceremony and knocking themselves unconscious, it should not be surprising that this poorly coordinated faction was not to last. Still, since everyone who managed to get into Clumsy wore knee and elbow pads and spent their days caroming off walls, they did offer some enjoyable comic relief. Ah, well.

Fickle: The Unreliable
They’re always at least fifteen minutes late to everything—that is, when they bother to show up at all. They also frequently change friends, hobbies, even hairstyles. If that sounds like you, doubtless you would have found yourself at home in Fickle, the faction for unreliable souls who could never make up their minds about anything for long. Sadly, Fickle ultimately never made it as a faction, probably because most of its members were too flaky to pick one identity and stick with it.

Dramatic: The Overly-Theatrical
Just imagine an entire faction of people who are all like that one friend you have who makes a big deal out of everything and can never just let it go. Although Dramatic was intended to offer a safe haven for overly expressive individuals who needed an outlet for their deep feelings of huffiness and constant outrage, eventually Roth must have realized she’d created a monster (faction). Give it a rest, Dramatic! It’s not all about you.

Sarcastic: The Eye-Rollers
“Oh, obviously let’s get rid of Sarcastic. Why on earth would anyone want to keep that useless faction around?” Yep, you got it—those folks were the worst. A cross between Erudite and Eeyore, with a bit of the darker side of Daria thrown in, none of the other factions stood a chance when anyone from Sarcastic was around. Candor couldn’t handle their veiled barbs; Dauntless couldn’t stop giving them wedgies. Clearly, this was not a match made in heaven for anyone.


Trisfourforever hmmm... so there is bravery selflessness peace knowledge and honesty..
I think the one that we could add is maybe... like a faction for like careless people? Like for people who doesn't worry about anything but I'm worried that kind of overlaps with Amity


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