“Now, I don’t want to sugarcoat things. I take money—buckets of it—from many, many people. But I’m not a thief. I give good value. Our congregation . . . our customers . . . want to feel good about themselves, and better than other people, and they’re willing to pay top dollar. “That is what our ministry is for. That’s what every ministry is for. That’s all they really want from us. Look me in the eye and deny it.”
