Seibel: So I'm curious—I've observed that often the programmers that write the hairiest, most complicated code are the ones who can keep a ton of details in their mind. You obviously had the ability to keep details in your mind but still cared a lot about making code simple and clear. Cosell: I have to admit that I did both. I would make things simple in the large. But when I say that programs should be easy, it's not necessarily the case that specific pieces of the functionality of the program have to be easy. I could write some very complicated code to do the right thing, right there, code
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