Zawinski: I definitely became a better programmer while I was there. Largely because that was really the smartest group of people I've been around. Everyone who worked there was brilliant. And it was just nice to be in that kind of environment where when someone says, “That's nonsense,” or “We should do it this way,” you can just take their word for it, believe that they know what they were talking about. That was really nice. Not that I hadn't been around smart people before. But it was just such a high-quality group of people there, consistently.