Debt: The First 5,000 Years
Rate it:
Open Preview
Kindle Notes & Highlights
Read between September 25 - September 28, 2020
1%
Flag icon
I could have begun by explaining how these loans had originally been taken out by unelected dictators who placed most of it directly in their Swiss bank accounts, and ask her to contemplate the justice of insisting that the lenders be repaid, not by the dictator, or even by his cronies, but by literally taking food from the mouths of hungry children. Or to think about how many of these poor countries had actually already paid back what they’d borrowed three or four times now, but that through the miracle of compound interest, it still hadn’t made a significant dent in the principal. I could ...more
1%
Flag icon
the remarkable thing about the statement “one has to pay one’s debts” is that even according to standard economic theory, it isn’t true. A lender is supposed to accept a certain degree of risk.
2%
Flag icon
The reason it’s so powerful is that it’s not actually an economic statement: it’s a moral statement. After all, isn’t paying one’s debts what morality is supposed to be all about?
2%
Flag icon
Fulfilling one’s obligations to others, just as one would expect them to fulfill their obligations to you.
Dan Seitz
Therein lies the issue. Lenders have no obligation to us.
2%
Flag icon
The problem was, it took money to maintain the mosquito eradication program, since there had to be periodic tests to make sure mosquitoes weren’t starting to breed again and spraying campaigns if it was discovered that they were. Not a lot of money. But owing to IMF-imposed austerity programs, the government had to cut the monitoring program.
2%
Flag icon
One might think it would be hard to make a case that the loss of ten thousand human lives is really justified in order to ensure that Citibank wouldn’t have to cut its losses on one irresponsible loan that wasn’t particularly important to its balance sheet anyway. But here was a perfectly decent woman—one who worked for a charitable organization, no less—who took it as self-evident that it was.
Dan Seitz
Bit of a fucking leap dude
2%
Flag icon
For thousands of years, violent men have been able to tell their victims that those victims owe them something.
Dan Seitz
Conflating financial and moral justifications has happened but he's stretching the point.
2%
Flag icon
Germany had to pay massive reparations after World War I,
Dan Seitz
Ohhhhhhhh booooooy
2%
Flag icon
Third World debtor nations are almost exclusively countries that have at one time been attacked and conquered by European countries—often, the very countries to whom they now owe money. In 1895, for example, France invaded Madagascar, disbanded the government of then–Queen Ranavalona III, and declared the country a French colony. One of the first things General Gallieni did after “pacification,” as they liked to call it then, was to impose heavy taxes on the Malagasy population, in part so they could reimburse the costs of having been invaded, but also, since French colonies were supposed to ...more
2%
Flag icon
Despite this, from the beginning, the Malagasy people were told they owed France money, and to this day, the Malagasy people are still held to owe France money, and the rest of the world accepts the justice of this arrangement.
2%
Flag icon
debt is not just victor’s justice; it can also be a way of punishing winners who weren’t supposed to win. The most spectacular example of this is the history of the Republic of Haiti—the first poor country to be placed in permanent debt peonage.
2%
Flag icon
The sum was intentionally impossible (equivalent to about 18 billion dollars), and the resultant embargo ensured that the name “Haiti” has been a synonym for debt, poverty, and human misery ever since.
Dan Seitz
Ignoring the racial issues here is contemptible. America fucked over Britain fiscally too. In fact we pulled some prettt nasty shit.
2%
Flag icon
The U.S. foreign debt, though, takes the form of treasury bonds held by institutional investors in countries (Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, the Gulf States) that are in most cases, effectively, U.S. military protectorates, most covered in U.S. bases full of arms and equipment paid for with that very deficit spending.
Dan Seitz
30 percent of it. Americans and the US government owns the rest.
2%
Flag icon
In the past, military powers that maintained hundreds of military bases outside their own home territory were ordinarily referred to as “empires,” and empires regularly demanded tribute from subject peoples. The U.S. government, of course, insists that it is not an empire—but one could easily make a case that the only reason it insists on treating these payments as “loans” and not as “tribute” is precisely to deny the reality of what’s going on.
Dan Seitz
Or you could look up how we got thosr bases in thd first place.
2%
Flag icon
In the 1720s, one of the things that most scandalized the British public when conditions at debtors’ prisons were exposed in the popular press was the fact that these prisons were regularly divided into two sections. Aristocratic inmates, who often thought of a brief stay in Fleet or Marshalsea as something of a fashion statement, were wined and dined by liveried servants and allowed to receive regular visits from prostitutes. On the “common side,” impoverished debtors were shackled together in tiny cells, “covered with filth and vermin,” as one report put it, “and suffered to die, without ...more
2%
Flag icon
As in the case of the U.S. debt to Korea or Japan, were the balance of power at any point to shift, were America to lose its military supremacy, were the gangster to lose his henchmen, that “loan” might start being treated very differently.
Dan Seitz
Also the entire badly designed world order would be destabilized.
2%
Flag icon
For most of human history—at least, the history of states and empires—most human beings have been told that they are debtors.
2%
Flag icon
Tell people they are inferior, they are unlikely to be pleased, but this surprisingly rarely leads to armed revolt. Tell people that they are potential equals who have failed and that therefore, even what they do have they do not deserve, that it isn’t rightly theirs, and you are much more likely to inspire rage.
2%
Flag icon
By the same token, for the last five thousand years, with remarkable regularity, popular insurrections have begun the same way: with the ritual destruction of the debt records—tablets, papyri, ledgers, whatever form they might have taken in any particular time and place. (After that, rebels usually go after the records of landholding and tax assessments.)
2%
Flag icon
Arguments about who really owes what to whom have played a central role in shaping our basic vocabulary of right and wrong.
Dan Seitz
You're playing word games
2%
Flag icon
Its most obvious manifestation is that most everywhere, one finds that the majority of human beings hold simultaneously that (1) paying back money one has borrowed is a simple matter of morality, and (2) anyone in the habit of lending money is evil.
Dan Seitz
We're just going to skip over the anti-Semitism issue entirely?
3%
Flag icon
The Catholic Church had always forbidden the practice of lending money at interest, but the rules often fell into desuetude, causing the Church hierarchy to authorize preaching campaigns, sending mendicant friars to travel from town to town warning usurers that unless they repented and made full restitution of all interest extracted from their victims, they would surely go to Hell.
Dan Seitz
And the moneylenders were...who?
3%
Flag icon
Looking over world literature, it is almost impossible to find a single sympathetic representation of a moneylender—or anyway, a professional moneylender, which means by definition one who charges interest.
Dan Seitz
Can't say it huh
3%
Flag icon
In medieval Europe, for instance, lords often took the first approach, employing Jews as surrogates. Many would even speak of “our” Jews—that is, Jews under their personal protection—though in practice this usually meant that they would first deny Jews in their territories any means of making a living except by usury (guaranteeing that they would be widely detested), then periodically turn on them, claiming they were detestable creatures, and take the money for themselves.
3%
Flag icon
In medieval Hindu law codes, not only were interest-bearing loans permissible (the main stipulation was that interest should never exceed principal), but it was often emphasized that a debtor who did not pay would be reborn as a slave in the household of his creditor—or in later codes, reborn as his horse or ox.
3%
Flag icon
A Medieval Japanese author recounts one—he insists it’s a true story
Dan Seitz
Dude
3%
Flag icon
His problem was that Buddhist scriptures, insofar as they explicitly weighed in on the matter, didn’t provide a precedent. Normally, it was debtors who were supposed to be reborn as oxen, not creditors.
3%
Flag icon
On the other hand, when we say someone acts like they “don’t owe anything to anybody,” we’re hardly describing that person as a paragon of virtue.
Dan Seitz
Philosophically separating social obligation from financial transactions would be a good idea here.
3%
Flag icon
Here we come to the central question of this book: What, precisely, does it mean to say that our sense of morality and justice is reduced to the language of a business deal?
3%
Flag icon
From this perspective, the crucial factor, and a topic that will be explored at length in these pages, is money’s capacity to turn morality into a matter of impersonal arithmetic—and by doing so, to justify things that would otherwise seem outrageous or obscene.
Dan Seitz
Or used deliberately as a social weapon.
3%
Flag icon
However, when one looks a little closer, one discovers that these two elements—the violence and the quantification—are intimately linked. In fact it’s almost impossible to find one without the other.
Dan Seitz
Stretching both terms conveniently
4%
Flag icon
The message was transparent: leave these things to the professionals. You couldn’t possibly get your minds around this.
Dan Seitz
Anybody who deals with fraudsters would be alarmed by this.
4%
Flag icon
Surveys showed that an overwhelming majority of Americans felt that the banks should not be rescued, whatever the economic consequences, but that ordinary citizens stuck with bad mortgages should be bailed out. In the United States this is quite extraordinary.
Dan Seitz
No it isn't
4%
Flag icon
Since colonial days, Americans have been the population least sympathetic to debtors.
Dan Seitz
Citation needed
4%
Flag icon
They were met with a brief spate of attention, and then violent suppression and media blackout.
Dan Seitz
citation needed
4%
Flag icon
“IMF Warns Second Bailout Would ‘Threaten Democracy,’ ” reads one headline.16 (Of course by “democracy” they mean “capitalism.”)
Dan Seitz
Oh fuck offffff
4%
Flag icon
Credit system, tabs, even expense accounts, all existed long before cash.
4%
Flag icon
But historically, credit money comes first, and what we are witnessing today is a return of assumptions that would have been considered obvious common sense in, say, the Middle Ages—or even ancient Mesopotamia.
Dan Seitz
Less of a reach but still a bit of one
4%
Flag icon
For a very long time, the intellectual consensus has been that we can no longer ask Great Questions.
Dan Seitz
wee bit grandiose bud.
4%
Flag icon
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE between a mere obligation, a sense that one ought to behave in a certain way, or even that one owes something to someone, and a debt, properly speaking? The answer is simple: money.
Dan Seitz
You've never been in an emotionally abusive relationship dude
4%
Flag icon
Some of the very first written documents that have come down to us are Mesopotamian tablets recording credits and debits, rations issued by temples, money owed for rent of temple lands, the value of each precisely specified in grain and silver. Some of the earliest works of moral philosophy, in turn, are reflections on what it means to imagine morality as debt—that is, in terms of money.
4%
Flag icon
When economists speak of the origins of money, for example, debt is always something of an afterthought. First comes barter, then money; credit only develops later.
Dan Seitz
Uh no
4%
Flag icon
The standard economic-history version has little to do with anything we observe when we examine how economic life is actually conducted, in real communities and marketplaces, almost anywhere—where one is much more likely to discover everyone is in debt to everyone else in a dozen different ways, and that most transactions take place without the use of currency.
4%
Flag icon
Economists generally speak of three functions of money: medium of exchange, unit of account, and store of value.
5%
Flag icon
It’s important to emphasize that this is not presented as something that actually happened, but as a purely imaginary exercise.
5%
Flag icon
Already in 330 BC, Aristotle was speculating along vaguely similar lines in his treatise on politics. At first, he suggested, families must have produced everything they needed for themselves. Gradually, some would presumably have specialized, some growing corn, others making wine, swapping one for the other.5 Money, Aristotle assumed, must have emerged from such a process.
5%
Flag icon
Most sixteenth- and seventeenth-century travelers in the West Indies or Africa assumed that all societies would necessarily have their own forms of money, since all societies had governments and all governments issued money.
5%
Flag icon
Above all, he objected to the notion that money was a creation of government. In this, Smith was the intellectual heir of the Liberal tradition of philosophers like John Locke, who had argued that government begins in the need to protect private property and operated best when it tried to limit itself to that function.
Dan Seitz
Iffy summary of both but sure.
5%
Flag icon
It was only by making such an argument that he could insist that economics is itself a field of human inquiry with its own principles and laws—that is, as distinct from, say ethics or politics.
Dan Seitz
Smith was definitely not saying this.
5%
Flag icon
Here the scene shifts to another one of those economists’ faraway fantasylands—it seems to be an amalgam of North American Indians and Central Asian pastoral nomads:10
Dan Seitz
Being angry economists aren't anthropologists seems counterproductive.
« Prev 1 3 13