Katelyn’s Comments (group member since Jan 07, 2016)

Katelyn’s comments from the Our Shared Shelf group.

Scottishtanningsecrets wrote: "Great choice! I actually read this one a while back and it offers lots to think about. I was also wondering: Can we offer suggestions for next month's book, or is the list already set?"

Follow the directions in this post to suggest a book for the club: How to Suggest a Book

In the interest of organization, we've decided to limit Pay It Forward threads to one dedicated to each book. Please post any requests or offers in the threads for each book! We hope this will help more people get copies of the books each month by making the communication more manageable. Thanks :)

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In the interest of organization, we've decided to limit Pay It Forward threads to one dedicated to each book. Please post any requests or offers in the threads for each book! We hope this will help more people get copies of the books each month by making the communication more manageable. Thanks :)

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Please use this thread to post Pay It Forward offers and requests for January's book My Life On The Road.

We're amazed and humbled by the generosity that has been on display here at Our Shared Shelf so far! Keep it up, everyone! It's wonderful!

Our Pay It Forward initiative is strictly with regards to LEGAL methods of book sharing (for example, sharing hard copies or Kindle sharing). Any posts regarding illegal scans/PDFs/file sharing will be deleted without warning.

In the interest of organization, we are going to limit Pay It Forward threads to one dedicated to each book. Please post any requests or offers in the threads for each book! Thanks :)

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Sandra wrote: "Katelyn wrote: "I echo Bunny's appreciation of your post, Sandra!

In addition to any skepticism that might be passed about PoCs' experiences, a lot of people's immediate reactions is personal anxi..."

I've noticed that trend among the more "Liberal-minded", too.

btw just to clarify: when I used the phrase "stfu" in reference to myself in my last post, I didn't mean that to passive-aggressively suggest that others "stfu." I meant it in the sense that there are times when I myself get defensive, or concerned about my own present and past behavior, and literally have to think to myself "stfu." So I hope no one took that the wrong way!

And yeah, of course not all white people have the same experience. I'm privileged in like... a million other ways in addition to my whiteness, and other white women lack many of those privileges. So I didn't mean to paint all white women with the same brush in that respect. But there are many different types of oppression, and "white feminism" as it's been defined here generally refers to the privileged class of white women, which is a demographic to which I belong for the most part.

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Also keep in mind that the Bechdel test is applied to specific movies, but doesn't necessarily only reflect whether the movie itself is feminist... it also is meant to foster awareness of sexism in Hollywood more generally. So while Gravity may fail the Bechdel test despite having a strong female character, part of the reason it fails is because there is only the one female character. While that doesn't mean Gravity is sexist, you line it up against all the other movies with strong female characters that still fail the Bechdel test, you see that the larger systemic problem has to do with a lack of substantial roles for women.

So I'd say the Bechdel test is really only useful when viewed in a broader context. It's a basic guide meant to unveil sexist patterns in the industry. It's up to each individual to decide for themselves whether a movie meets their own personal standards of what is or is not sexist/feminist.

I echo Bunny's appreciation of your post, Sandra!

In addition to any skepticism that might be passed about PoCs' experiences, a lot of people's immediate reactions is personal anxiety along the lines of "OMG do I treat people that way? Hmm, I don't think I do..." and then it becomes an inwardly directed rationalization. Usually those people have good intentions but don't realize the extent to which they've shifted the conversation from PoC experience back to their own. I can only imagine how frustrating that can be. I am sure I used to do that kind of thing, and probably still do on occasion, but I try to just stfu and listen because, like you said, there are few things that I, as a white woman, can tell a PoC about my experience that they've not already seen in movies, tv, etc.

Hi Kayse,

There are lists of book suggestions in the Book Suggestions folder, and a topic has already been started for books by feminists around the world: International Perspectives. Definitely add your list to the one already going! In the future, please check to see if there are already threads open on the topic you posted about. We try to avoid duplicates due to the size of this group!

Thanks!

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Oh awesome! I love the idea of that reading challenge!

Unfortunately, we have to close topics along these lines as they fall under the category of self-promotion. There is a Goodreads Author Feedback group that you can join that is more suited to these kinds of discussions.

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Unfortunately, we have to close topics along these lines as they fall under the category of self-promotion. There is a Goodreads Author Feedback group that you can join that is more suited to these kinds of discussions.

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There's another post in this folder where people are offering up copies of The Color Purple so definitely head over there and see if there are any available!

I'm a pescatarian, although I mostly eat vegetarian. My partner eats meat, but we rarely buy it when we go food shopping, so mostly he only eats meat when he's out. It's healthy and good for our budget, too!

It's sometimes hard, but I've found that I've come to enjoy foods that I hadn't really likes before I cut out meat (about 4 years ago, and before that I had been eating less of it for a couple of years).

And to clarify a point I made earlier: Patriarchy does indeed affect individuals' behaviors, but it is not created by them. It's a systemic issue. Saying that a man uses heating less doesn't really have anything to do with patriarchy and does not discount the ways in which patriarchy and capitalism together have negative impacts on the environment.

Bienvenue à Our Shared Shelf, le club du lecture lancé par Emma Watson, Ambassadrice de bonne volonté d'ONU Femmes. Ce message est un index pour les conversations en français. Nous encourageons plus de conversations en français, mais nous espérons que vous participerez également à celles en anglais.

S'il vous plaît envoyez-moi un MP pour corriger mon français ou ajouter plus de conversations à l'index.

Index des conversations:

Les Livres
[FR] Persepolis, Marjane Satrapi
[FR] The Argonauts, de Maggie Nelson
[FR] - Comment peut-on (encore) être une femme, de Caitlin Moran
[FR] All about love - New visions de bell hooks
[FR] La couleur pourpre, de Alice Walker
[EN + FR] Female & Family/ La Femme et la famille (La couleur pourpre de Alice Walker)

Le féminisme dans les pays
Feminism in France

Meet ups
[FR] Meet up in Paris (October)
(FR) Meet up Paris Juin
[FR] Meet up in Paris (May)
[FR] Meet up in Paris (April)
Meet up-Paris (March)
Meet up-Paris

Etc.
[FR] Twitter Account Dedicated to Feminism

Mary wrote: "I think the Bechdel test is lots of fun. :) But I don't think that a movie/book that fails it is inherently bad or sexist, and I don't think one that passes it is inherently good or empowering.

Y..."

Agreed! Alison Bechdel herself has explained that the test should not be used as a blanket means for categorizing movies or other media as sexist or not. It's just an interesting way of noticing patterns and whatnot.

Alexandria, thanks for your generosity. There is already a post in the "Pay It Forward" section for people looking to pass along their copies of The Color Purple, so I recommend posting that you have a book available on that thread!

In the interest of organization, I'm going to lock and archive this thread.

Samantha wrote: "After finishing The Color Purple and reading that Alice Walker had intended this novel, Possessing the Secret of Joy and The Temple of my Familiar as a family of books, I immediately searched the u..."

Thanks for starting this thread! It is my intention to get around to reading these eventually, and when I do, I'll come back here.

And thanks for the warning!

Sure, those issues do affect people of all genders, but they disproportionately affect women and girls, so I'd definitely still attribute the problems to patriarchy in a big way, if not entirely.

Sure, these forces are different. Capitalism is an economic system, patriarchy is a systemic cultural structure. But they are definitely linked, and the success of each supports the other. Therefore, by coming together, whether as "eco-feminists" or otherwise, we can work to dismantle these oppressive forces separately and together. Even dismantling one at a time would be a huge blow to the others. But I don't think it's necessary to divide and conquer when they are so intrinsically linked.