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Catelyn has made a lot of trouble for Ned with her actions. She shouldn't have confronted Tyrion. I know she was angry because Bran almost got murdered but every action has an opposite reaction and Ned and Catelyn don't seem to be able to understand the immediate reactions to the things they do. Ned had to back up Catelyn when he talked to Jamie because what else could he do but Catelyn could have stopped it all from happening by not being rash. All the men she asked to help her are dead too and her second in command is sick. She lost a lot of lives because of her actions and now Ned might be next.
I enjoyed the description of the climb to Arryn's Castle. It was pretty amazing. I was surprised that they went so high up to get to the actual castle and imagining Catelyn in the basket was kind of amusing. I don't know if I like Lysa. Their interactions were interesting though. Lysa was right to yell at Catelyn for talking about war in front of her son but the way she treats her son is kind of bizarre. I don't think Lysa is going to be much help.
We'll see what happens next but things are looking bad for Ned.

Sansa is a real ray of sunshine in this dungheap of a world. She only sees things in simple terms. I was surprised by her interactions with Joffery. I thought he was a jerk until this chapter. From her view I can see how he could be seen as a gentleman but she's not very good at picking her friends. She blames Arya for most of her problems but that is usual with sisters. I thought it was a pretty touching moment with Sandor Clegane. I feel he is showing his good side to Sansa. She doesn't really deserve his interest.
Jon is such a stand up guy. He is helping all the downtrodden. Out of all the people in this series he is one of the most honorable. He obviously takes this from his father. The Starks are an honorable sort. I'm super impressed, at age 15 he's got more honor than the king of his country. He helps the little guy and treats all his compatriots with respect, as brothers. I'm excited to see where his story goes.
Bran is another wonderful character. His interpretations of his dreams make me wonder about his future. Why did the Raven tell him he could fly? Is that going to be something he will become? I've seen a lot of the tv series and the book seems to be pretty slow (similar to the series) They keep on saying Winter is coming but who knows when that will be. I feel like it's a tease. We'll have to wait till book 5 to see what is really going on. I can wait but it makes me frustrated to see so many people do terrible things and not get their comeuppance. In the TV series it seemed like the story was told from many different points of view, in the books we only see a few people's views. I keep on thinking that Cersei is an awful person and what is going on in her head but we never know.
Who is your least favorite character and who is your most favorite? When will winter come and will it actually be winter or a metaphor for death?

Sorry this post is a little late. What did you think of these last four chapters? I find it interesting how other chapter characters perceive chapter characters. We read about Tyrion through the eyes of Ned and Catelyn. They think that he tried to have Bran killed. Then when you read Tyrion's chapters it seems that he is not who they say he is. He is a person that has some good in him. It's hard to believe that he'd kill a little boy but he would do anything for his brother.
Littlefinger is a bit of a jerk. I didn't like him much after the Ned chapter. He seems to take a lot of joy in torturing Ned. Though Ned is a very proud man and isn't easy with humor. I am surprised that he made Catelyn meet Ned in a brothel. If he loves her like he says he does, why would he embarrass her like that, just for the sake of Ned. I definitely think Ned is over his head if he thinks he, one person can change anything in a corrupt government.
Tyrion's chapter made us clear on how he's able to get everything he needs. He plays people really well. I was surprised by the interactions with the rest of the men in black. It made me understand how he's able to stay alive for so long. Though he does tend to get the rise out of a lot of people. If he did try to kill Bran, I can't believe he is still being nice to John Snow. I think he sees someone kindred in him but again he's just playing opportunities.
Arya is having a hard time with life and I don't blame her. I can see that she is the apple of her fathers eye. I know he loves all his children but to let her learn sword play when she is a girl is surprising. I know that if he didn't she'd still do it so he's trying to keep her safe. I'll be interested to see where her story goes.
Daenerys is a bit of free soul. She doesn't understand the world around her but she is starting to. She is trying to make the best of what she has but it's difficult when her brother (the monster) blames her for everything, all the things she can't control. I worry that in her earnest attempts to control the little she can, it will just cause hardship and heartache for those around her.
Do you think that Dany's dreams are an omen of things to come. She seems to have dreams similar to those of Bran. Are these characters some how prophetic and key players in the future of the realm?

Definitely a lot of terrible things happening to Arya and Ned. I don't trust Joffery, he's going to be the next king and he doesn't seem to be honest or very caring. I couldn't believe that the Lannister's killed the butcher's son. All he was trying to do was defend himself. Arya is lucky that she's alive. I think there is a great difference between being Noble and being noble. The definition of noble is what Ned is. He cares about how his actions will effect other people. He has high morals, principals and ideals. That is what being noble is. But Joffery is just noble in title and not noble in acts. This bodes very badly for the future of the realm. It was so sad when Ned had to kill Lady. Killing one of his own. Do you think there was any other option for this?
Bran's chapter made me wonder what he will be in the future. The crow made it sound like he would be needed and that without him winter would take over the world. I'm excited to see what Bran's future holds. He seems almost like a prophet and while he is very young that doesn't mean his visions are not true. What do you think is in store for Bran?
Catelyn is in over her head. I don't know if I trust Littlefinger's word that Tyrion Lannister was behind the attempted murder of Bran. It might have been his knife but I was surprised that he would do that. I guess he would do anything to save his sister and brother because Lannister's always stand by each other but to kill a child. I'm not sure.
Jon's chapter was very exciting. I feel sorry for him that he is in a situation where it is less glamorous than was hoped. Young children always think it's fun to do what grown ups do but when it is not what you expected you can usually get out of it as a kid. In Jon's case he can do nothing but continue. He has made a rash decision based on honor and excitement only to find out that he is in for a lifetime of fear and death. At the end of the chapter I was feeling hopeful for him but he seems to take wrong turns wherever he goes. I can only assume he will make a mistake again and I'm just waiting for that time to happen.

The intrigue continues! It's very hard not to like everyone even the people you are supposed to hate. I love Tyrion, he seems to have the largest character and understand all situations better than anyone. Ned, while a gallant knight is completely lost at times. He thinks he's playing the game but really he's just a cog in a great machine, a machine that is using him.
Catelyn is one of my least favorite characters. She pretends to be noble and mightier than everyone else. I still am irritated how she treated John Snow and now she is sacrificing the rest of her family for one child. Bran is a sweet boy but I can't believe she would completely dump a 3 year old and now care for him. I'm glad that Bran was almost killed so that Catelyn could get her mind back in the game but then two seconds later she is leaving to "take a message to Ned." Is it that or is she abandoning her responsibility.
Sansa is an interesting character because she is so naive. After everything that happened with Joffery trying to kill Arya I can't believe that Sansa would still love him. She is definitely showing her age. Except for Tyrion, the Lannisters are a bunch of monsters.
What did you think of the attempt to kill Bran and Catelyn's reaction to the events?

It's interesting to see Jamie and Cersei's perspective about what they think is going on in Eddard Stark's head. They think he wants in-to become a king in the south and what they don't realize is that he doesn't even want to leave Winterfell. Everyone's perspective is completely different than in reality what is going on.
I also was surprised by Tyrion. He is a great player in this game. He is able to take information and use it to the best of his ability. I love how he makes Jamie and Cersei dance.
The wedding from Dany's perspective is pretty depressing. She's a young girl being forced into marriage but her fear for her own brother is stronger than her fear of a "barbarian." It was interesting to see that the only common language Dany and Drogo is Yes and No. She surprised me when she said yes to Drogo. Their experience seemed more beautiful than shown in the tv show. She is treated like a princess by Drogo and he treats her body like something to be explored. A barbarian would have just taken her and thrown her aside. He seems more like a gentleman than shown in the show. I was surprised by this.
What did you think of these chapters. How do you feel about John and Catelyn. Do you think he deserves to be treated the way he does by her?

So many of the characters make foolish decisions but I believe this is because they are so young and naive. Many of the characters are starting out with rose colored glasses. It's people like Robert and Eddard that see the corruption and roll with it.
I like how each chapter is told from one characters point of view. Different characters see life in a completely new way. I think Martin is able to get into the heads of different people very easily. I've read so many books from different view points and usually I don't like the way woman are portrayed from a male voice. Martin does this expertly.
I am excited to see how their story unfolds. I am already getting wrapped up in these peoples lives. Who is your favorite character so far? Have you watched the TV series? Are you comparing interactions to the TV series? How does it stack up for you?

It was interesting to see the inner thought processes that people have. Scenes in the tv series that are two seconds long take on a new meaning when you can see into the head of the character.
What did you think about the meaning behind the death of the mother direwolf. That seemed to be of significance to many characters but they don't really say what the meaning could be. What is the bad omen?
Tell me what you think...







