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At first it may seem like the sort of slavery we have had in "modern"times but when one studies the bible and the time period ,people and history you realize that in the old testament Slaves were treated as members of the family and had rights given to them by Jehovah YHWH. They were protected.They also could voluntary become a slave to pay off a debt.Also every Jubilee they could set free/Some slaves opted to stay in serice. In the new testament the apostle Paul and so forth were referring to Slaves of YHWH as well as traditional owners. Its very interesting from a sociology stand point as well.If you are interest in it it may be something to look into to advance your understanding with bible study aids and different bible versions to reference.
So it's okay? Its okay with you to own another person as long as they are treated right? Of course it's all well and good if you were a man of the same culture and religion, but if you were a woman, of the strangers among you, or one taken in war?
How about this little joy full passage
Exodus 21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
It's cool to beat your slave but make sure you don't kill them outright but a few days later because they are your own money, wonderful.
And fantastic they freed a few slaves every 49 or 50 years at the jubilee brilliant humanists they were
Shanna, disclosure, I have studied world religions extensively for going on 9 years now and as a woman who is also against slavery and ill treatment of people, I researched a lot so I could understand "why" God would seemingly endorse slavery. I also tend to blab a lot. I apologize in advance .
I do not mean this as an argument either, just trying to share with you what I learned since once I felt the same way you did,that this was unjust of a God that clams to"be love".
Exodus 1:14; 2:23, 24; 6:6-8. Tells us how God felt about Slavery.
Clearly, He did not approve of ‘man dominating man’ through abusive slavery.
But did not God later allow slavery among his people? Yes, he did.
However, the slavery that existed in Israel was vastly different from the tyrannical forms of slavery that have existed throughout history. That is what I am trying to tell you.
It was a different time and culture. One that we may today may not approve of but God does not condone slavery today. He made laws for what already was in place .
A Hebrew slave was let go free in his seventh year of servitude ( Not just Jubilee) . “But if the slave should insistently say, ‘I really love my master, my wife and my sons; I do not want to go out as one set free,’ then his master must bring him near to the true God and must bring him up against the door or the doorpost; and his master must pierce his ear through with an awl, and he must be his slave to time indefinite.” (Ex 21:2, 5, 6) The fact that they would even mention a slave wanting to stay with their master indicates that not all slaves were mistreated.
God’s Law stated that kidnapping and selling a human was punishable by death. Did people still do it? Yes they did because just like today, people are imperfect.
I mentioned this before but God provided guidelines to protect slaves. For example, a slave who was maimed by his master would be set free. If a slave died because his master beat him, the master could be punished with death. If like you mentioned there at Exodus 21:21 The owner beat him and the slave 'lingered on for a day or two' before dying—this indicating that the master had not intended to kill the slave but to discipline him—he was not to be avenged. (Ex 21:20, 21, 26, 27; Le 24:17)
Today we have the same laws where total strangers are involved with a crime where someone dies and they are sometimes given a reduce charge it's called manslaughter right?
We must of course always be aware that Jehovah, Jah,YHWH sees what is in people's hearts, so say this slave owner wanted to kill the slave but beat him just enough so that he would not die on that day, but the slave dies a few days later, God knows that and remembers. It is only God's right to exact revenge but we must trust in God and wait. That is what the bible teaches, I am not saying that is what you ,Shanna , have to do.
Most followers of Christ put God's laws ahead of man's laws and their own sense of justice and right and wrong because they have faith that God knows better then we do.
Women captives could become slaves, or they could be taken as wives.
But they were not to be used for mere sexual gratification. The gist of the Law must have led righthearted Israelites to treat slaves with respect and kindness, as if these were hired laborers.—Exodus 20:10; 21:12, 16, 26, 27; Leviticus 22:10, 11; Deuteronomy 21:10-14.
I touched upon the fact that Jews,some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow man in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. ( Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12)
Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a “slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere.”
The Bible teaches that God “he cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7) God hates wickedness and the suffering it causes far more than any human does. (Isaiah 55:8, 9 James 1:1 ) Why, then, is there so much suffering in the world? Would logically be the next question but I think I bored you enough.
Where does anyone learn slavery from...?
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At first it may seem like the sort of slavery we have had in "modern"times but when one studies the bible and the time period ,people and history you realize that in the old testament Slaves were treated as members of the family and had rights given to them by Jehovah YHWH. They were protected.They also could voluntary become a slave to pay off a debt.Also every Jubilee they could set free/Some slaves opted to stay in serice. In the new testament the apostle Paul and so forth were referring to Slaves of YHWH as well as traditional owners. Its very interesting from a sociology stand point as well.If you are interest in it it may be something to look into to advance your understanding with bible study aids and different bible versions to reference.
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So it's okay? Its okay with you to own another person as long as they are treated right? Of course it's all well and good if you were a man of the same culture and religion, but if you were a woman, of the strangers among you, or one taken in war?How about this little joy full passage
Exodus 21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
It's cool to beat your slave but make sure you don't kill them outright but a few days later because they are your own money, wonderful.
And fantastic they freed a few slaves every 49 or 50 years at the jubilee brilliant humanists they were
Shanna, disclosure, I have studied world religions extensively for going on 9 years now and as a woman who is also against slavery and ill treatment of people, I researched a lot so I could understand "why" God would seemingly endorse slavery. I also tend to blab a lot. I apologize in advance .I do not mean this as an argument either, just trying to share with you what I learned since once I felt the same way you did,that this was unjust of a God that clams to"be love".
Exodus 1:14; 2:23, 24; 6:6-8. Tells us how God felt about Slavery.
Clearly, He did not approve of ‘man dominating man’ through abusive slavery.
But did not God later allow slavery among his people? Yes, he did.
However, the slavery that existed in Israel was vastly different from the tyrannical forms of slavery that have existed throughout history. That is what I am trying to tell you.
It was a different time and culture. One that we may today may not approve of but God does not condone slavery today. He made laws for what already was in place .
A Hebrew slave was let go free in his seventh year of servitude ( Not just Jubilee) . “But if the slave should insistently say, ‘I really love my master, my wife and my sons; I do not want to go out as one set free,’ then his master must bring him near to the true God and must bring him up against the door or the doorpost; and his master must pierce his ear through with an awl, and he must be his slave to time indefinite.” (Ex 21:2, 5, 6) The fact that they would even mention a slave wanting to stay with their master indicates that not all slaves were mistreated.
God’s Law stated that kidnapping and selling a human was punishable by death. Did people still do it? Yes they did because just like today, people are imperfect.
I mentioned this before but God provided guidelines to protect slaves. For example, a slave who was maimed by his master would be set free. If a slave died because his master beat him, the master could be punished with death. If like you mentioned there at Exodus 21:21 The owner beat him and the slave 'lingered on for a day or two' before dying—this indicating that the master had not intended to kill the slave but to discipline him—he was not to be avenged. (Ex 21:20, 21, 26, 27; Le 24:17)
Today we have the same laws where total strangers are involved with a crime where someone dies and they are sometimes given a reduce charge it's called manslaughter right?
We must of course always be aware that Jehovah, Jah,YHWH sees what is in people's hearts, so say this slave owner wanted to kill the slave but beat him just enough so that he would not die on that day, but the slave dies a few days later, God knows that and remembers. It is only God's right to exact revenge but we must trust in God and wait. That is what the bible teaches, I am not saying that is what you ,Shanna , have to do.
Most followers of Christ put God's laws ahead of man's laws and their own sense of justice and right and wrong because they have faith that God knows better then we do.
Women captives could become slaves, or they could be taken as wives.
But they were not to be used for mere sexual gratification. The gist of the Law must have led righthearted Israelites to treat slaves with respect and kindness, as if these were hired laborers.—Exodus 20:10; 21:12, 16, 26, 27; Leviticus 22:10, 11; Deuteronomy 21:10-14.
I touched upon the fact that Jews,some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow man in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. ( Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12)
Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a “slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere.”
The Bible teaches that God “he cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7) God hates wickedness and the suffering it causes far more than any human does. (Isaiah 55:8, 9 James 1:1 ) Why, then, is there so much suffering in the world? Would logically be the next question but I think I bored you enough.
Where does anyone learn slavery from...?
