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Why would you want stephanie to grow up? That is what makes her so much fun and enjoyable to read. Why make her intoa a mature and normal person that is so boring. That is what keeps us reading if she was normal and mature and I use the word loosly the series would not be funny and so dear to read.
I don't think it's so much as wanting Stephanie to grow up. But she isn't progressing, learning, or becoming more responsible as a working adult.
And the problem with that is? Life is so serious it is just good fun reading that you think maybe there is a little bit of fun left in people. After the year i have had it just makes me feel good to read about nonsense.
Sorry you've had a bad year, Elvis. Thank goodness for light books to take your mind off serious life, eh?
good question. wonder if you will get an answer
I don't think the poster meant mature to mean 'become boring'. Steph and her friends can still be hilarious and get into trouble even while showing some progression. I wouldn't want to read about Steph becoming a domestic house wife or a bad-ass, but I would enjoy a Steph that was growing. Plenty of capable professionals (cops, bounty hunter, etc) find themselves in situations that don't go according to plan, and I know JE has the capability to harness humor into a scene, so surely there are ways for scenes to be comedic without Steph being stunted. What's to say Steph doesn't try to shoot an FTA in the knee just to find out it's prosthetic? Perhaps a bad example, but you get my point.
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I think Stephanie needs to mature a bit. by now she should have learned basic self defense skills. She should know when a skip is going to run, by instincts now. Not act like it took her by surprise. Maturing doesn't mean boring. It means growing, learning life lessons and gaining experience. Instead of Stephanie stuck in her high school years.
Stephanie Scott: because Stephanie is stuck in a time warp.... you already know what she is going to do, what she is going to say. Not my fault.... Okay, so I am nosy.... Sorry about your car. You already know Morelli is going to ask for gorilla sex or look down her shirt. You already know Ranger is going to rescue her. Just because Stephanie matures doesn't mean boring. It means new adventures and insight on her part.
I completely see why some people would be frustrated about Stephanie not maturing or choosing a man, but I am not one of them. I feel like once that happens, the series is over and I'm not ready to give it up yet!
I agree that we need to see a little growing and more dimension for Stephanie -- not that she should be boring, but that as she learns her challenges become a little harder and she can still get herself into crazy situations but not make the same kinds of mistakes all the time.
I think there could be more adventures with her maturing. Interesting ways to catch FTAs. Setting stuff on fire in the kitchen. Actually making something that is delicious.
get rid of the sexual tension & steph will die a slow death!
Maybe not so much growing up, but she has become a pretty two dimensional character. Same issues, same guys, same responses, same getting bailed out due to her own ineptness, which is also always the same.
I agree with Sherri. I want her to try something else but still have her car blow up!
I would think there is plenty of good stories to be written with Stephanie, may be growing up is the wrong word to be using. Maybe gaining experience in her job and personal life is a better way to put. I think since book 12, the stories have not been the same quality as the later books, more geared tweens and teens. The stories rehashed and recycled without the past character history being taken into consideration. I believe there would be more interest if the story had better plots and better skips to track. Lulu eating through an entire story isn't all that interesting.
Would you ever have wanted Archie Goodwin to settle down and get married? Should Nero Wolfe go on a diet? What kind of story would come from him doing his own leg work?
I totally agree with your question Stephanie. There needs to be more depth without getting rid of the fun. It is quiet tiresome that year in and year out she doesn't get competent at anything. even choosing a man.
Wendy: I agree, Stephanie needs more depth than how she is being portrayed in the past four books. 17 books later Stephanie should be able to use a stun gun... be able to anticipate what her skip is going to do - run, go with her or aim a gun at her. Stephanie can still be goofy and witty without reducing the dialogue to farts and blowing up another car. Or eating through an entire book. It is tiresome when you know from page one who the bad guy is going to be because the plot and story lines haven't been fully developed. After 17 does it really matter who she chooses, not to me. she has already done the deed with both men... as robotic as they were in the book. I can't see how 18 could have more story to be told.
I agree with this~~I love Stephanie, she and her cohorts make me laugh, but maybe growing up a little would be good.
Stephanie's ineptitude is part of what makes her hysterical, and although we have to wait a year or more for a book about her, you have to remember that it's not as if an entire year always passes for Stephanie. I agree that there needs to be some change up in her life direction, maybe not permanent, but definitely something to shake everything up. I look forward to these books, always anxiously awaiting the next turn in the saga. I would hate for there to be too much change all at once and ruin the things about Stephanie and all her supporting characters that we all love so much.
I agree. I lost interest in the last couple of books because I was so tired of her still being dumb and inept. She never has her handcuffs when she needs them, or her pepper spray, etc. I hope she'll smarten up and learn from her past a little better. I got tired of all the stupidity in the last few books.
I totally agree with you Im ready for her to grow up become a real bounty hunter and get married. She can still be a full time funny career woman with all that. Or the series could branch off like with Diesel. I mean honestly how much more of Lula's chicken eating is going to be funny.
gotta agree with this post - not yet read the new book (number 17) but am hoping that she will grow up a bit and get together with Joe and stop acting so silly and childish - still love her though
I've been wondering the same about Stephanie's choices in her life. I want her to grow up and take on more control of her life.
Did you really wrote books 11 to 15, or did you have someone write those for you. There was a significant change on the writing style and also the name of Stephanie's mother was wrong, I believe that was on #14. Not sure thou.
Sarah wrote: "Did you really wrote books 11 to 15, or did you have someone write those for you. There was a significant change on the writing style and also the name of Stephanie's mother was wrong, I believe t..."
In the beginning Janet Evanovich had a co writer program. According to interviews Ms. Evanovich states she wrote the Stephanie Plum series books 13 to 17 showing a vast difference than the first twelve books in writing styles.
I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now.
Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now."
yes Erin, I agree. you made me laugh with your comments. She should be better at her job by now.... yet she still can't capture a skip without blowing up a car, eating through her day, rolling on the ground.
I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!
Helen wrote: "I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!"
Helen, after book 17 does her decision really matter? What would be the point. She has already done the deed with both men and then feigned a bladder infection not to have sex with Morelli. The author has already stated in interviews the decision would only be temporary. So the decision in book 18 seems to me to be a ploy to sell another book. I would like to see Stephanie move on but I am not sure if she is good enough for Ranger anymore. I think Ranger needs a good woman in his life.
I totally agree...getting tired of the same old...same old.
I can agree with what everyone on here is saying. I love that she is weird and totally screws everything up but with what time has passed, she needs to get a little bit better in her job. I have yet to read 17 so I have no idea what lies ahead. To be honest, I liked Lula in the beginning but lately she has been getting on my nerves. Why can't Steph go out on her own and leave Lula at the office or can Lula get a movie break and head out to Hollywood? Sure would be nice. Do something to spice up the books and keep the interest for the readers. If you don't do something soon, readers will loose interest.
Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her..."
Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now."
Oh! The eating how does she do it without weighing 900 lbs
Helen wrote: "I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!"
Erin wrote: "Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a ..."
Erin: I would love to lose my belly fat like Stephanie, but that just doesn't happy. I realize Stephanie uses food for comfort but you are right she would be obese with all those doughnuts and junk food.
Erin wrote: "Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a ..."
Helen: to me the decision means nothing since book 17. She already did the deed with both robotic men. The decision has no value anymore. I can't see how book 18 would be interesting to read.
Wow, even Perry Mason changed, you guys. Stephanie is getting boring to me, my mom and a friend of mine. It's always the same. Also, she's gotten worse at her job and the books are less entertaining. No one has the exact same things happen to me every day of their life. And to be surprised each time? Snooze. I love the books, but would love to see Stephanie make some progress in life.
I would love to see Stephanie meet a new guy into the mix, someone who will really challenge her more, and yea, lets get rid of some of the stuff that happens over and over, like the cars blowing up, and the apartment getting vandalized. She needs to move to a different apartment and maybe have a roomate and get just a little smarter.
Caron wrote: "Wow, even Perry Mason changed, you guys. Stephanie is getting boring to me, my mom and a friend of mine. It's always the same. Also, she's gotten worse at her job and the books are less entertainin..."
Caron, I agree it is boring. How many books can Lulu eat through. How many times after seventeen books can you not catch a skip.. blow up a car... argue with Morelli. I understand why she is afraid of her gun, because she killed a man in book one. But, still she needs to stop relying on Morelli and Ranger to rescue her butt all the time.
Kathy wrote: "I would love to see Stephanie meet a new guy into the mix, someone who will really challenge her more, and yea, lets get rid of some of the stuff that happens over and over, like the cars blowing u..."
Kathy, I agree time for new characters. Better stories. Triangle has no value or interest anymore... She has a roommate, a hamster who has made the World's record books by the length of time he has lived. She needs to get the tenacious attitude she had in the first several books. Where she got her self out of trouble. stop relying on the men to help her. Stop Lulu eating through the books.
I totally agree with this. The books have gotten boring because Stephanie never progresses.
also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be the one to "make a decision" but someone should! my question is don't you think its a little out there that either guy is ok with her sleeping with both? especially this last book with the "vordo" or whatever is it was excuse?
Katherine wrote: "also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be th..."
True! I was bothered by Morelli being OK with what was so obvious. I had forgotten that.
Morelli needs to ditch Stephanie and move on and get married and leave her behind, Ranger needs to go on a long vacation, Lulu really needs to actually lose weight and Stephanie's uncle needs to die and she inherits the bonding agency, and I could go on with forward moving suggestions, but I'm not the writer and as long as people still buy these books she will still stay in the same rut. I no longer buy her books because they are all the same. I will borrow them from the library to see if she progresses but no hard cash out of my pocket.
Katherine wrote: "also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be th..."
Katherine: good question. where does stephanie now go? She slept with both men. What decison could possibly matter now? Both men wanting her for different reasons.
Kathy wrote: "Morelli needs to ditch Stephanie and move on and get married and leave her behind, Ranger needs to go on a long vacation, Lulu really needs to actually lose weight and Stephanie's uncle needs to di..."
Kathy: Stephanie's uncle doesn't own the bond office, Vinnie's wife's father does. Harry the hammer. I was leaning towards Stephanie learning Ranger's secrets. Morelli getting romantically involve with a Fed to stir things up. I agree as long as people accept the direction the series is going in. Nothing will change nor will the books improve. It will remain the same.
Sorry, about the error on the ownership of the bond office, still think it would spice it up a bit, if Stephanie was given something that made her think a bit. I agree, Morelli needs to get romantically invooved with someone else and it needs to be a serious relationship, where he actually blows stephanie off at some point. You are correct though, it isn't going to improve as the series is now.
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Why would you want stephanie to grow up? That is what makes her so much fun and enjoyable to read. Why make her intoa a mature and normal person that is so boring. That is what keeps us reading if she was normal and mature and I use the word loosly the series would not be funny and so dear to read.
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I don't think it's so much as wanting Stephanie to grow up. But she isn't progressing, learning, or becoming more responsible as a working adult.
And the problem with that is? Life is so serious it is just good fun reading that you think maybe there is a little bit of fun left in people. After the year i have had it just makes me feel good to read about nonsense.
Sorry you've had a bad year, Elvis. Thank goodness for light books to take your mind off serious life, eh?
good question. wonder if you will get an answer
Elvis 170, Stephanie was a repsonsible adult in the beginning of the series. I'm re-reading Book 1 as a part of a discussion forum on Amazon. I'm amazed at how much Stephanie has regressed.
If anyone is interested in joining the Amazon Discussion Forum for the Plum Series, Books 1-12, here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/dis...
We are reading and discussing one book per week in order. We just started (July 10, 2011) and are discussing Book 1.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/dis...
We are reading and discussing one book per week in order. We just started (July 10, 2011) and are discussing Book 1.
I don't think the poster meant mature to mean 'become boring'. Steph and her friends can still be hilarious and get into trouble even while showing some progression. I wouldn't want to read about Steph becoming a domestic house wife or a bad-ass, but I would enjoy a Steph that was growing. Plenty of capable professionals (cops, bounty hunter, etc) find themselves in situations that don't go according to plan, and I know JE has the capability to harness humor into a scene, so surely there are ways for scenes to be comedic without Steph being stunted. What's to say Steph doesn't try to shoot an FTA in the knee just to find out it's prosthetic? Perhaps a bad example, but you get my point.
Diane wrote: "If anyone is interested in joining the Amazon Discussion Forum for the Plum Series, Books 1-12, here is the link:http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/dis......"
I think Stephanie needs to mature a bit. by now she should have learned basic self defense skills. She should know when a skip is going to run, by instincts now. Not act like it took her by surprise. Maturing doesn't mean boring. It means growing, learning life lessons and gaining experience. Instead of Stephanie stuck in her high school years.
Stephanie Scott: because Stephanie is stuck in a time warp.... you already know what she is going to do, what she is going to say. Not my fault.... Okay, so I am nosy.... Sorry about your car. You already know Morelli is going to ask for gorilla sex or look down her shirt. You already know Ranger is going to rescue her. Just because Stephanie matures doesn't mean boring. It means new adventures and insight on her part.
I completely see why some people would be frustrated about Stephanie not maturing or choosing a man, but I am not one of them. I feel like once that happens, the series is over and I'm not ready to give it up yet!
I agree that we need to see a little growing and more dimension for Stephanie -- not that she should be boring, but that as she learns her challenges become a little harder and she can still get herself into crazy situations but not make the same kinds of mistakes all the time.
I think there could be more adventures with her maturing. Interesting ways to catch FTAs. Setting stuff on fire in the kitchen. Actually making something that is delicious.
get rid of the sexual tension & steph will die a slow death!
Maybe not so much growing up, but she has become a pretty two dimensional character. Same issues, same guys, same responses, same getting bailed out due to her own ineptness, which is also always the same.
I agree with Sherri. I want her to try something else but still have her car blow up!
I would think there is plenty of good stories to be written with Stephanie, may be growing up is the wrong word to be using. Maybe gaining experience in her job and personal life is a better way to put. I think since book 12, the stories have not been the same quality as the later books, more geared tweens and teens. The stories rehashed and recycled without the past character history being taken into consideration. I believe there would be more interest if the story had better plots and better skips to track. Lulu eating through an entire story isn't all that interesting.
Would you ever have wanted Archie Goodwin to settle down and get married? Should Nero Wolfe go on a diet? What kind of story would come from him doing his own leg work?
I totally agree with your question Stephanie. There needs to be more depth without getting rid of the fun. It is quiet tiresome that year in and year out she doesn't get competent at anything. even choosing a man.
Wendy: I agree, Stephanie needs more depth than how she is being portrayed in the past four books. 17 books later Stephanie should be able to use a stun gun... be able to anticipate what her skip is going to do - run, go with her or aim a gun at her. Stephanie can still be goofy and witty without reducing the dialogue to farts and blowing up another car. Or eating through an entire book. It is tiresome when you know from page one who the bad guy is going to be because the plot and story lines haven't been fully developed. After 17 does it really matter who she chooses, not to me. she has already done the deed with both men... as robotic as they were in the book. I can't see how 18 could have more story to be told.
I agree with this~~I love Stephanie, she and her cohorts make me laugh, but maybe growing up a little would be good.
Stephanie's ineptitude is part of what makes her hysterical, and although we have to wait a year or more for a book about her, you have to remember that it's not as if an entire year always passes for Stephanie. I agree that there needs to be some change up in her life direction, maybe not permanent, but definitely something to shake everything up. I look forward to these books, always anxiously awaiting the next turn in the saga. I would hate for there to be too much change all at once and ruin the things about Stephanie and all her supporting characters that we all love so much.
I agree. I lost interest in the last couple of books because I was so tired of her still being dumb and inept. She never has her handcuffs when she needs them, or her pepper spray, etc. I hope she'll smarten up and learn from her past a little better. I got tired of all the stupidity in the last few books.
I totally agree with you Im ready for her to grow up become a real bounty hunter and get married. She can still be a full time funny career woman with all that. Or the series could branch off like with Diesel. I mean honestly how much more of Lula's chicken eating is going to be funny.
gotta agree with this post - not yet read the new book (number 17) but am hoping that she will grow up a bit and get together with Joe and stop acting so silly and childish - still love her though
I've been wondering the same about Stephanie's choices in her life. I want her to grow up and take on more control of her life.
Did you really wrote books 11 to 15, or did you have someone write those for you. There was a significant change on the writing style and also the name of Stephanie's mother was wrong, I believe that was on #14. Not sure thou.
Sarah wrote: "Did you really wrote books 11 to 15, or did you have someone write those for you. There was a significant change on the writing style and also the name of Stephanie's mother was wrong, I believe t..."In the beginning Janet Evanovich had a co writer program. According to interviews Ms. Evanovich states she wrote the Stephanie Plum series books 13 to 17 showing a vast difference than the first twelve books in writing styles.
I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now.
Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now."yes Erin, I agree. you made me laugh with your comments. She should be better at her job by now.... yet she still can't capture a skip without blowing up a car, eating through her day, rolling on the ground.
I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!
Helen wrote: "I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!"Helen, after book 17 does her decision really matter? What would be the point. She has already done the deed with both men and then feigned a bladder infection not to have sex with Morelli. The author has already stated in interviews the decision would only be temporary. So the decision in book 18 seems to me to be a ploy to sell another book. I would like to see Stephanie move on but I am not sure if she is good enough for Ranger anymore. I think Ranger needs a good woman in his life.
I totally agree...getting tired of the same old...same old.
I can agree with what everyone on here is saying. I love that she is weird and totally screws everything up but with what time has passed, she needs to get a little bit better in her job. I have yet to read 17 so I have no idea what lies ahead. To be honest, I liked Lula in the beginning but lately she has been getting on my nerves. Why can't Steph go out on her own and leave Lula at the office or can Lula get a movie break and head out to Hollywood? Sure would be nice. Do something to spice up the books and keep the interest for the readers. If you don't do something soon, readers will loose interest.
Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her..."Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a bit better at her job by now."
Oh! The eating how does she do it without weighing 900 lbs
Helen wrote: "I'm ready to see her move on, too, and make a decision!!"
Erin wrote: "Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a ..."Erin: I would love to lose my belly fat like Stephanie, but that just doesn't happy. I realize Stephanie uses food for comfort but you are right she would be obese with all those doughnuts and junk food.
Erin wrote: "Adrienne wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'd love to see Stephanie grow a bit. At the rate she's going she'll be 50 and still totally inept at her job and still stringing along guys. She should at least be a ..."Helen: to me the decision means nothing since book 17. She already did the deed with both robotic men. The decision has no value anymore. I can't see how book 18 would be interesting to read.
Wow, even Perry Mason changed, you guys. Stephanie is getting boring to me, my mom and a friend of mine. It's always the same. Also, she's gotten worse at her job and the books are less entertaining. No one has the exact same things happen to me every day of their life. And to be surprised each time? Snooze. I love the books, but would love to see Stephanie make some progress in life.
I would love to see Stephanie meet a new guy into the mix, someone who will really challenge her more, and yea, lets get rid of some of the stuff that happens over and over, like the cars blowing up, and the apartment getting vandalized. She needs to move to a different apartment and maybe have a roomate and get just a little smarter.
Caron wrote: "Wow, even Perry Mason changed, you guys. Stephanie is getting boring to me, my mom and a friend of mine. It's always the same. Also, she's gotten worse at her job and the books are less entertainin..."Caron, I agree it is boring. How many books can Lulu eat through. How many times after seventeen books can you not catch a skip.. blow up a car... argue with Morelli. I understand why she is afraid of her gun, because she killed a man in book one. But, still she needs to stop relying on Morelli and Ranger to rescue her butt all the time.
Kathy wrote: "I would love to see Stephanie meet a new guy into the mix, someone who will really challenge her more, and yea, lets get rid of some of the stuff that happens over and over, like the cars blowing u..."Kathy, I agree time for new characters. Better stories. Triangle has no value or interest anymore... She has a roommate, a hamster who has made the World's record books by the length of time he has lived. She needs to get the tenacious attitude she had in the first several books. Where she got her self out of trouble. stop relying on the men to help her. Stop Lulu eating through the books.
I totally agree with this. The books have gotten boring because Stephanie never progresses.
also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be the one to "make a decision" but someone should! my question is don't you think its a little out there that either guy is ok with her sleeping with both? especially this last book with the "vordo" or whatever is it was excuse?
Katherine wrote: "also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be th..."True! I was bothered by Morelli being OK with what was so obvious. I had forgotten that.
Morelli needs to ditch Stephanie and move on and get married and leave her behind, Ranger needs to go on a long vacation, Lulu really needs to actually lose weight and Stephanie's uncle needs to die and she inherits the bonding agency, and I could go on with forward moving suggestions, but I'm not the writer and as long as people still buy these books she will still stay in the same rut. I no longer buy her books because they are all the same. I will borrow them from the library to see if she progresses but no hard cash out of my pocket.
Katherine wrote: "also agree. i love these books, they make me laugh, but i feel like i'm starting to re-read the same one just with different names for the skips. i don't think stephanie necessairily needs to be th..."Katherine: good question. where does stephanie now go? She slept with both men. What decison could possibly matter now? Both men wanting her for different reasons.
Kathy wrote: "Morelli needs to ditch Stephanie and move on and get married and leave her behind, Ranger needs to go on a long vacation, Lulu really needs to actually lose weight and Stephanie's uncle needs to di..."Kathy: Stephanie's uncle doesn't own the bond office, Vinnie's wife's father does. Harry the hammer. I was leaning towards Stephanie learning Ranger's secrets. Morelli getting romantically involve with a Fed to stir things up. I agree as long as people accept the direction the series is going in. Nothing will change nor will the books improve. It will remain the same.
Sorry, about the error on the ownership of the bond office, still think it would spice it up a bit, if Stephanie was given something that made her think a bit. I agree, Morelli needs to get romantically invooved with someone else and it needs to be a serious relationship, where he actually blows stephanie off at some point. You are correct though, it isn't going to improve as the series is now.
