Doing Tolkien Wrong

Here’s a re-post of an article by Sarah Monette that you all may find interesting:


…Tolkien is an affliction and a curse to fantasy writers. This is a horribly ungrateful thing to say, when it’s largely thanks to Tolkien that fantasy writers can exist as a sub-species today at all. … The reason for this is that, while Tolkien was a genius and a godsend to readers prepared to love secondary-world fantasy, he is a terrible model for writers. And that for a number of reasons, ranging from, on the macro level, his use of the quest plot to, on the micro level, the nature of his prose style. Imitating Tolkien – in and of itself, not a bad idea – has become mired down in slavish adherence to his product, rather than careful attention to his process.


Now, I don’t think I would go so far as to declare that Tolkien is a curse and an affliction to anybody, but still, this is an arguable position. I mean, it’s quite true that we can’t all be geniuses, or philologists, and that trying to imitate Tolkien too closely is perhaps not the best way to write your own story. But I don’t think it’s quite as true, as Monette asserts, that the quest-plot has been done to death. It is so broad; I’m not sure it’s possible to overdo it. And I say this as a reader who enjoys quiet slice-of-life stories as well as quest stories. And of course it’s quite true that Monette’s THE GOBLIN EMPEROR is not a quest story, and I can see how the feeling that all fantasy novels should involve a central quest might have slowed down her ability to conceptualize that story.


I must add: if THE GOBLIN EMPEROR goes on to inspire new writers to try that kind of story instead then great!


What one word would you choose to describe a story like THE GOBLIN EMPEROR? Not a quest story but a ???? Self-discovery novel? That sounds dreadfully literary and boring. But then, what? Any ideas?


Anyway, the whole post is worth a read if you have a minute.


2 likes ·   •  4 comments  •  flag
Share on Twitter
Published on January 14, 2016 07:46
Comments Showing 1-4 of 4 (4 new)    post a comment »
dateUp arrow    newest »

message 1: by Sherwood (new)

Sherwood Smith It is a quest story, but not after a maguffin. He, like Frodo, is forced into a situation that tests him to the max: in this case becoming emperor in truth, and not merely on paper. It also shows the Tolkien influence with the elves and goblins and so forth, but I suspect that was deliberate choice. (I love that book so much.)

In a way I agree with Monette, but on the other hand, Tolkien's shadow is so very long. And I say this as someone who was writing about a secondary world before I discovered Tolkien--I had maps and an alphabet and everything. And though I had my world in my head before reading LOTR I can look back and still see its influence.


message 2: by Marquise (new)

Marquise I only agree with Monette partially, too. And I think she goes too far in considering Tolkien a curse: it's not the man or woman who originates something what causes the problem but those who follow him or her. And the issue she describes is by no means unique to Fantasy either, she'd benefit from having a good long look at Historical Romance, for example, a genre that also has its "Tolkien" figure in Georgette Heyer, who can be credited with single-handedly creating the Regency Romance subgenre, with its own equivalent of the "quest" element, and has been followed by and imitated by so many that the market is saturated and readers are now looking for different settings and styles the same way Fantasy fans are looking for grimdark or other styles as anti-Tolkien as possible.


message 3: by Andrea (last edited Jan 15, 2016 06:15PM) (new)

Andrea I partially disagree with Monette, but then I link my fantasy writing to E Nesbit and Andre Norton rather than Tolkein. Undoubtedly Tolkein had a massive impact, but it's not like he came along and was the first writer to release anything commercially successful that had fantasy elements.

Nor do I have any problem with a quest. A quest with as few women as Tolkein, or with the issues Tolkein had with his 'dark evil' races, that I have problems with.

(goes back to writing about a mage on a quest to kill her uncle)


message 4: by Sherwood (new)

Sherwood Smith Well, Heyer reinvented the silver fork novel, which had been around for a hundred years, but subtly modeling her heroes and heroines after her own social upper class, clothed brilliantly in Regency garb and her own invented parlance which owes a lot to period sources like Pierce Egan.


back to top