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Definitely think you are onto something here, Leo. My favorite books too have that unanswered quality--even David Lynch movies, mebbe.Hamlet: The consummate actor--you never know exactly when he's telling you the reality of his mind: depressed , manic, in love, not in love. I have a special love for his speech with Ophelia where he's trying to "interpret between you and your love"--if he could see the puppets dallying. The huge tragedy could have? been resolved if he was truly sure she loved him, and not just for his fabulous wealth and castle, since he was merely a rogue and peasant slave/knave/ man-in-a-cave. Who should never be believed, says he. He and Ophelia could go off together and shake the dust of Rotten Denmark from their feet, if love solves all, as it does in the more fashionable stories.
My other favorite (are two favorites allowed in this "I Don't Know" Blog?) again deals with uncertainty--the play upon a pipe line: he's talking trash to the two idiots, Rose. and Guild. who are brown-nosing him to find out the truth of what's wrong with him. Not that they would know it if they saw it--it it had been a snake, etc. The speech: Would you play upon me as a pipe?
"You would pluck out the heart of my mystery; you would sound me from my lowest note to the top of my compass,and there is much music in this little organ; yet cannot you make it speak..."
Because, remember, these are just words, words, words.
Tracy wrote: "Definitely think you are onto something here, Leo. My favorite books too have that unanswered quality--even David Lynch movies, mebbe.Hamlet: The consummate actor--you never know exactly when he'..."
Tracy!! I knew if you spotted this you would have loads to say and thanks so much for your chat!! Especially when it comes to Hamlet, I need your guidance :D I will re-visit with these speeches in mind... as for THE IDIOT, I never thought of it in terms of "I don't know." Myshkin is such an idiot, no?? It seems like a pure Jesus type has no hope in this world, with its complex network of self-serving needs- but are his ideals wrong either?? Excellent contribution!! The Nastasya/ Aglaya combo is fascinating for sure... what indeed was he trying to achieve with either? He was such a blank-slate go-with-the-flow type. Apparently based on Don Quixote, which I never got into enough to understand the parallels of...
I just recommended Bex this George Saunders story, which you reminded me of with The Idiot, which is burned in my mind for that notion of "As well-meaning as you are, why did you have to go and do that??" Be warned: this story is devastating but of the same ilk. Would be interested in your thoughts about it :)
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/201...
Every year I'd poll my kids after reading Hamlet, and 90 % thought Hamlet and Ophelia were truly in love but the situation was just too difficult to overcome. Some cynical boys (mostly with trophy wife step-moms, go figure) thought Ophelia was a manipulative phony. So now the big question--is it love if ANYTHING can bust it up? My interpretation is they had a real love--sadly, but I have just enough doubt about that to make it interesting and real, feeling rather than artificial romance-fiction.The "pipe" lines took me years and many reads to fully feel. First, it gets into the ethics of, how much does someone owe the world their "truth"--the blood and guts of their soul, if I can mix --uh, metaphors? Body parts? Is there some part of one's essence that is so sacred and personal that it will never hit the light of day, maybe even for ones-self. Socrates says "know thyself", but can you ever, ever, really dig deep enough into the fire your own soul? The heart of your own mystery, as Hamlet said. I love that. And here's two binary fools who think in terms of off and on, trying to understand the hero with 1000 faces. There is so much there to not know, it's sheer brilliance. In a red hanky.
To go right along with Hamlet is the Quite Genius Tom Stoppard play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern ARE DEAD. I love that one too.And, thank you, for thinking up this great topic.
Tracy wrote: "To go right along with Hamlet is the Quite Genius Tom Stoppard play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern ARE DEAD. I love that one too.And, thank you, for thinking up this great topic."
Yes! I've been meaning to see that- I'll watch the film today- thanks! And I'll definitely need to read Hamlet a few times more- so much richer a meal than many of his other plays. My sis says the new Macbeth with Fassbender is the best version she's ever seen- Othello and Coriolanus are her favourites- I'd have to agree but I know less about them- enjoyed our Twelfth Night discussions- Shakespeare in MOLD?
I like Othello and need to see that MacBeth--do you know where to get it? I don't know Coriolanus. I don't think I ever read it, and don't even know what it's about.The R&GAD with Gary Oldham and Tim Roth is really good, plus Stoppard wrote the screenplay, if one is tempted to criticize how it varies from the original play. Like Hamlet, there is a ton of stuff to hold up to the light and examine.
Tracy wrote: "I like Othello and need to see that MacBeth--do you know where to get it? I don't know Coriolanus. I don't think I ever read it, and don't even know what it's about.The R&GAD with Gary Oldham and..."
Part One , with the rest nested: I notice there's another version on youtube (maybe British?) that I haven't seen--will check it out later. Oh, no, link didn't take!! Will redo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhS...
David Foster Wallace counts as "I don't know"--right? And Camus, and Kafka, and Sartre, and "isn't it pretty to think so?"
Tracy wrote: "David Foster Wallace counts as "I don't know"--right? And Camus, and Kafka, and Sartre, and "isn't it pretty to think so?""Absolutely! I am eager to reveal this week's IDK- I can't remember what it is but I remember my full set- maybe some of your names are on there ;)!!
DFW is almost left of IDK- like, I've almost articulated the problem, but I made it sadder because it was mathematically neater- I've noticed that his love of finding double binds supersedes their actual existence in many places. "How ya gonna walk outta that one?" "You only tied me up to the left. But if I walk straight ahead everything's good :D"
Leo wrote: "Tracy wrote: "David Foster Wallace counts as "I don't know"--right? And Camus, and Kafka, and Sartre, and "isn't it pretty to think so?""Absolutely! I am eager to reveal this week's IDK- I can't ..."
So do you have like a whole mess of these already in the can, or are you just doing them as they come?




Prince Myshkin (is he really a prince? He doesn't act like one) may or may not be crazy,but has been in a sanitarium. He feels attracted to two women more or less simultaneously: Aglaya and Nastassya. Both have other love interests that they don't "love" love. Myshkin doesn't want to interfere, and considers himself not marriage material. Does he feel love for either of these women, or is it really some other emotion, like empathy, or pity or longing, or desire or...
In fact, is there even something that can be called love in this world? One man, Rogozhin, commits murder for it, because he can't have his passion. Is that love!!??
Does the hedgehog love anyone? Does Myshkin go back to being insane after this idyll? Why did he break the vase?
Definitely in the "I Don't Know" category--next might be The STRANGER?